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Terri Lyne Carrington & Social Science

Come to the foot of the stage with live performances, exclusive back-stage access and in-depth artist interviews with The Set List. In this episode we’ll hear multiple Grammy Award-winner Terri Lyne Carrington’s deep-toned melodies hearten and amplify the pressing messages in Social Science’s acutely relevant lyrics. You have the best seat in the house here with ALL ARTS.

AIRED: January 27, 2019 | 0:54:11
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[ Indistinct conversations ]

[ Instruments tuning ]

[ Applause ]

[ Mid-tempo jazz music plays ]

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>> My name is

Terri Lyne Carrington.

I'm a drummer, a producer, a

professor, a mom.

I'm a songwriter. [ Chuckles ]

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My dad played saxophone and

drums, and actually my

grandfather was a drummer.

So, it kind of ran in the

family.

And I was a professional by the

age of 10.

I got my union card, and I

started sitting in with a lot of

jazz legends when they came

through the Boston area --

Dizzy Gillespie, Clark Terry,

a lot of great drummers,

Roy Haynes, Elvin Jones,

Art Blakey, Buddy Rich.

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I moved to New York when I was

18 and started working with

people like Lester Bowie and

Pharoah Sanders and Stan Getz.

Then I got the gig with

Wayne Shorter, then

Herbie Hancock.

And then I got a few late-night

television shows and made some

records.

I won a couple of Grammys, and

here I am today.

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I learned a lot from these

people, and I feel like it's

time for me to make my own

statements.

And I still play with those

people, and I still work as a

side person, but I like the

balance and I like to not

actually have all the

responsibility sometimes.

As a side person, I can just,

you know, go play and just focus

on playing the drums.

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This music is really just about

the times and how we feel about

what's happening in the world

right now, social and political

issues.

So, all the songs pretty much

are, you know, speaking our

truths.

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Often, I just hear something in

my head, whether it's a hook, a

vocal hook, a lyric, a baseline,

a melody, an idea that comes out

of nowhere.

That's the beauty of it, the

mystery of it.

And I just take that seed and

keep letting it grow.

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You know, I've spent two weeks

on four bars of music.

And other times I could write a

whole song in a day.

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I hope that most of the people

that come hear, you know, some

themes that make them think a

little deeper.

I hope that the musicianship

resonates with them.

There's some great musicians on

the stage.

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I hope the songs move them.

You know, you want to hopefully

make them think.

You want to help people to

become more courageous, you

know, feel like, "Well, if you

can talk about that, I can talk

about it."

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[ Music stops ]

[ Applause ]

[ Joni Mitchell's "Love" plays ]

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>> ♪ Although I speak in

♪ Although I speak in

♪ Tongues of men and angels

♪ I'm just sounding brass and

♪ Tinkling cymbals without

love ♪

♪ Tinkling

♪ Ooh, yeah

♪ Cymbals without love

♪ Tinkling, ooh

♪ Cymbals without love

♪ Love suffers long

♪ Love is kind

♪ Enduring all things

♪ Holding all things

♪ Love has no evil in mind

♪ If I had the gift of

prophecy ♪

♪ And all the knowledge and the

faith to move the mountains ♪

♪ Yeah

♪ Even if I understood

all of the mysteries ♪

♪ If I didn't have love

♪ I'd be nothing

♪ Love never looks for love

♪ Love's not puffed up or

envious or touchy ♪

♪ Because it rejoices in the

truth, not in iniquity ♪

♪ Love sees like a child sees

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>> [ Rapping ] ♪ Kind, candy,

sweetie, go ♪

♪ Color of a Tootsie Roll

♪ Brown is brown across the

globe ♪

♪ "Solid," Ashford, Simpson

know ♪

♪ Love is unconditional

♪ Hate outside can stop its

growth ♪

♪ Love is unconditional

♪ When it's inside, it feels

like home ♪

♪ Love is unconditional

♪ Hate can never stand its

growth ♪

♪ Love is unconditional

♪ When it's outside, it feels

like home ♪

♪ It feels like home

♪ It feels like home

♪ Unconditional

♪ Unconditional

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>> ♪ When as a child I saw it

face-to-face ♪

♪ Now I only know it in part

♪ Part

♪ Fractions in me

♪ Of faith and hope and love

>> [ Rapping indistinctly ]

>> ♪ And of these great three

♪ Love is the greatest

beauty ♪

♪ Beauty

♪ When as a child I saw it

face-to-face ♪

♪ Now I only know it in part

♪ Part

♪ Fractions in me

♪ Of faith and hope and love

♪ And of these great three

♪ Love is the greatest

beauty ♪

♪ Lo-o-o-o-ve

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♪ Love, love

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♪ Lo-o-o-o-ve

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♪ Lo-o-o-o-ve

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♪ Love

♪ Lo-o-o-o-ve

♪ Love, love

>> [ Rapping ] ♪ Love is

unconditional ♪

♪ Hate can never stand its

growth ♪

♪ Love is unconditional

♪ When it's inside, it feels

like home ♪

>> ♪ Love, love

♪ Love

♪ Love

>> [ Rapping ] ♪ Love is

unconditional ♪

♪ When inside, it feels like

home ♪

>> ♪ Lo-o-o-o-ve

♪ Love

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♪ Love

♪ Love

♪ Love

♪ Love

♪ Love

[ Song ends ]

[ Cheers and applause ]

Ow!

Thank you so much.

We are the Social Science.

That first tune that you heard

was our rendition of a

Joni Mitchell tune called

"Love."

And we're gonna take you on a

trip with some powerful music

and some powerful messages.

>> My name is Assata Shakur, and

I was born and raised in the

United States.

I grew up and became a political

activist, participating in

student struggles, the anti-war

movement, and, most of all, in

the movement for the liberation

of African-Americans in the

United States.

The FBI, with the help of local

police agencies, systematically

fed false accusations and fake

news articles to the press,

accusing me and other activists

of crimes we did not commit.

The national and local police

agencies created a situation

where, based on their false

accusations against me, any

police officer could shoot me

on sight.

It was not until the

Freedom of Information Act was

passed in the mid-'70s that we

began to see the scope of the

United States government's

persecution of political

activists.

To make a long story short, I

was captured in New Jersey in

1973, after being shot with both

arms held in the air and then

shot again from the back.

I was left on the ground to die,

and when I did not, I was taken

to a local hospital where I was

threatened, beaten, and

tortured.

In 1977, I was convicted in a

trial that can only be described

as a legal lynching.

In 1979, I was able to escape

with the aid of some of my

fellow comrades.

I saw this as a necessary step,

not only because I was innocent

of the charges against me, but

because I knew that in the

racist legal system in the

United States, I would receive

no justice.

I was also afraid that I would

be murdered in prison.

I later arrived in Cuba, where I

am currently living in exile as

a political refugee.

I advocate self-determination

for my people and for all

oppressed inside the

United States.

I advocate an end to capitalist

exploitation, the abolition of

racist policies, the eradication

of sexism, and the elimination

of political repression.

[ Echoing ] If that is a crime,

then I am totally guilty.

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>> ♪ You could do you

♪ And I could do me

♪ And we could be friends

♪ You could do you

>> ♪ You

>> ♪ And I could do me

>> ♪ Me

>> ♪ And we could be friends

>> ♪ Friends

>> ♪ Maybe you could do you

>> ♪ You

>> ♪ And I could do me

>> ♪ Me

>> ♪ And we could be friends

>> ♪ Friends

>> ♪ Maybe you could do you

>> ♪ You

>> ♪ And I could do me

>> ♪ Me

>> ♪ And we could be friends

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>> ♪ And I could do me

♪ And we could be friends

♪ Maybe you could do you

>> ♪ You

>> ♪ And I could do me

>> ♪ Me

>> ♪ And we could be friends

>> ♪ Friends

>> ♪ Maybe you could do you

>> ♪ You

>> ♪ And I could do me

>> ♪ Me

>> ♪ And we could be friends

>> ♪ Friends

>> ♪ Maybe you could do you

>> ♪ You

>> ♪ And I could do me

>> ♪ Me

>> ♪ And we could be friends

[ Rapping ] ♪ Bodies inside a

square, all their ♪

♪ Left, right, left, right

♪ Right, bodies inside a

square ♪

♪ All their cards pulled like

solitaire ♪

♪ While their families wait

outside of there ♪

♪ Ain't no mothers and fathers

here ♪

♪ Christmas, Christmas didn't

come this year ♪

♪ All we got was a box of tears,

loved ones held in here ♪

♪ Same way we was locked by

a master ♪

♪ 13th Amendment made it clear

♪ Damn, is this a nightmare

we can't wake up from? ♪

♪ Corporations, workers making

lump sums ♪

♪ Making products that we shop

for while the ugly truth

we still run from ♪

♪ Where you could do you

♪ And I could do me

♪ And we could be friends

♪ Maybe you could do you

>> ♪ You

>> ♪ And I could do me

>> ♪ Me

>> ♪ And we could be friends

>> ♪ Friends

>> ♪ Come on

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♪ Christmas here

♪ Christmas didn't come this

year ♪

♪ All we got was a box of tears,

tears, tears ♪

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♪ Christmas didn't come this

year ♪

♪ All we got was a box of tears,

loved ones held in here ♪

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>> ♪ And I could do me

♪ And we could be friends

♪ Maybe you could do you

>> ♪ You

>> ♪ And I could do me

>> ♪ Me

>> ♪ And we could be friends

>> ♪ Friends

>> ♪ Maybe you could do you

>> ♪ You

>> ♪ And I could do me

>> ♪ Me

>> ♪ And we could be friends

>> ♪ Friends

>> ♪ Maybe you could do you

>> ♪ You

>> ♪ And I could do me

>> ♪ Me

>> ♪ And we could be friends

>> ♪ Friends

>> ♪ Maybe you could do you

>> ♪ You

>> ♪ And I could do me

>> ♪ Me

>> ♪ And we could be friends

>> ♪ Friends

>> ♪ Maybe you could do you

>> ♪ You

>> ♪ And I could do me

>> ♪ Me

>> ♪ And we could be friends

>> ♪ Friends

>> ♪ Maybe you could do you

>> ♪ You

>> ♪ I could do me

>> ♪ Me

>> ♪ And we could be friends

>> ♪ Friends

>> ♪ Maybe you could do you

>> ♪ You

>> ♪ I could do me

>> ♪ Me

>> ♪ And we could be friends

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Get free!

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It's coming!

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♪ You could do you

♪ And I could do me

♪ And we could be friends

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♪ You could do you

♪ And I could do me

♪ And we could be friends

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>> ♪ You could do you

>> ♪ You

>> ♪ And I could do me

>> ♪ Me

>> ♪ And we could be friends

>> ♪ Friends

>> ♪ Maybe you could do you

>> ♪ You

>> ♪ And I could do me

>> ♪ Me

>> ♪ And we could be friends

>> ♪ Friends

♪ You

♪ Me

♪ Friends

>> ♪ You could do

>> ♪ You

>> ♪ I could do

>> ♪ Me

>> ♪ And we could be

>> ♪ Friends

>> ♪ You could do you

>> ♪ You

>> ♪ I could do me

>> ♪ Me

>> ♪ And we could be friends

♪ Maybe you could do you

>> ♪ You

>> ♪ I could do me

>> ♪ Me

>> ♪ And we could be friends

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[ Music stops ]

[ Cheers and applause ]

>> ♪ How much

♪ Can we endure?

♪ Time will tell

♪ We suffer through

♪ Then rise up

♪ With conviction

♪ And remorse

♪ What will come from

♪ The devil's wisdom?

♪ Truth and consequence

♪ We, too, are guilty

♪ Complacency has its place

♪ The highest ceiling

made of glass ♪

♪ Still unbroken

♪ Lost but yet won

♪ Silent voices

♪ Hear the calling

♪ Another battle has just

begun ♪

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♪ How many lives

♪ Have sacrificed

♪ To rain oppression

♪ Shame on the turning hands

♪ For the gates of equity

are still unseen ♪

♪ How many lives will

sacrifice ♪

♪ Oh, mother, father

♪ Cling to the hands of

freedom ♪

♪ There's no time to debate

♪ No time to waste

♪ How long can freedom wait

♪ Before

♪ We hear it

♪ Ring?

♪ The waiting

game ♪

♪ Is

♪ No

♪ More

[ Song ends ]

[ Cheers and applause ]

Thank you.

This next song that we'd like to

present is a song that was

inspired by all of the police

brutality that has happened of

late and throughout our history.

"Bells."

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>> Bells.

I hear the church bells ringing.

Another unjustifiable death.

I exhale and shiver 'cause this

time it's me who's finally free.

>> ♪ You took my love away

from me ♪

♪ I want to know, how did it

feel to watch ♪

♪ Him trembling?

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♪ Tell me, what gives you the

right to kill ♪

♪ So senselessly?

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♪ And when you're alone, do you

ever think of him ♪

♪ And pray for his peace?

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♪ But when I dream

♪ I see a world

♪ Fearless and hopeful

♪ Where his life matters

Bells.

>> [ Rapping ] ♪ All my block

flashing causing commotion ♪

♪ All I hear is crashing

♪ Camera on the cop saying,

"I ain't seen nothing" ♪

♪ When the camera does work,

jury don't see corruption ♪

♪ Hello?

♪ Did we see the same thing?

♪ Did you hear the church bells

in the tower go "ring"? ♪

♪ Did you see the six men carry

bodies to the hearse ♪

♪ Hearse to the cemetery,

burying kings and queens? ♪

♪ I could get killed selling

cigarettes ♪

♪ I could get killed selling

CDs ♪

♪ I could get stopped, get taken

to the station ♪

♪ Get killed behind doors

♪ It's that easy

♪ Cop wanna say he saw a demon

♪ That wasn't a demon,

it was Michael ♪

♪ Wasn't no reason to stop his

breathing ♪

♪ Media say protests spiteful

♪ Lucky number seven

staying...for the culture ♪

♪ While owners turn slave

masters ♪

♪ Vultures picking off the flesh

of a dead-end topic ♪

♪ Trying to it about a flag

♪ The beef was microscopic

♪ Why's the premises say I'm

lucky to be here? ♪

♪ When I look at here, all I see

is a living hell ♪

♪ Instead of horns, devil's got

a riot gear ♪

♪ Trying to drown out the peace

we find in these bells ♪

>> ♪ You took my love away

from me ♪

♪ I want to know, how did it

feel to watch ♪

♪ Him trembling?

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♪ Tell me, what gives you the

right to kill ♪

♪ So senselessly?

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♪ And when you're alone, do you

ever think of him ♪

♪ And pray for our peace,

peace? ♪

♪ Peace, peace, peace,

peace, peace ♪

♪ But when I sleep

♪ I see a world

♪ Fearless and hopeful

♪ Where my life matters

♪ Now when I sleep

♪ I see him

♪ We're smiling and laughing

together ♪

♪ Feels like he's with me

♪ And then

Bells.

Bells.

>> Bells.

Bells.

Bells.

Bells.

Bells.

Bells.

Bells.

Bells.

>> Bells.

>> Bells.

>> I hear the church bells

ringing.

Another unjustifiable death.

I sigh and shiver 'cause this

time it's me who's finally free.

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Who's finally free.

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[ Song ends ]

[ Applause ]

[ Rhythmic drumbeats ]

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>> ♪ She said to pray the

gay away ♪

♪ To pray the gay away

♪ She said to pray the

gay away ♪

♪ To pray the gay away

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>> Hey.

[ Rapping ] ♪ What we --

♪ What me say?

♪ Ain't no offering you can take

up that can make my brothers and

sisters give their gay up ♪

♪ It doesn't make sense

♪ It's highly illogical

♪ Can you pray your straight

away? ♪

♪ Come on, that's impossible

♪ We are who we are

♪ That's beautiful and

different ♪

♪ Scripture supposed to make us

smarter ♪

♪ Why they spreading

ignorance? ♪

♪ Priest contradicting it with

choir boy scandals ♪

♪ You ever seen the victim get

saved by the vandal? ♪

♪ No, you should stop dancing to

today's hits ♪

♪ 'Cause a large part of why

they're here... ♪

♪ Would Martin Luther King have

a monument so giant ♪

♪ If Bayard Rustin didn't hip

him to non-violence? ♪

♪ As a way of becoming more

civil righteous ♪

♪ Planned the Washington March

where the "Dream" speech was

recited ♪

♪ That's what I called a lion

♪ So call leaders prayin'

♪ Well, word to Ms. Melodie

♪ Nah, said, I ain't buying it

♪ Nah, said, I ain't buying it

♪ Nah, nah, nah, nah, we ain't

buying it ♪

♪ Terri Lyne, yo, she ain't

buying it ♪

♪ Love, why don't you try

a bit ♪

♪ Nah, nah, said we ain't

♪ Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah

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>> ♪ She said to pray the

gay away ♪

♪ To pray the gay away

♪ She said to pray the

gay away ♪

♪ To pray the gay away

♪ She said to pray the

gay away ♪

♪ To pray the gay away

♪ She said to pray the

gay away ♪

♪ To pray the gay away

[ Cheers and applause ]

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>> Thank you guys very much for

hanging out with us this

evening, with our new music.

It's our third gig.

So, thanks for being here on our

beginning phase of a new

project -- Social Science.

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I wanted to have Morgan play the

drums because I just think it's

amazing that he plays the

saxophone, the bass, the EWI,

the drums, the keyboard.

He plays everything, a very

talented young

multi-instrumentalist,

Morgan Guerin.

[ Cheers and applause ]

Yeah!

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And on the turntables and

rapping -- this is first gig

with us, and you guys in

New York probably already know

him.

We passed each other in the

hallways at Berklee, but give

it up for Raydar Ellis.

[ Cheers and applause ]

[ Records scratching ]

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And on the vocals, somebody else

that we passed in the hallways a

few times, but I just think

she's just such a great

talent -- Débo Ray on vocals.

[ Cheers and applause ]

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On guitar, somebody that you

will go see in another hour

or so.

[ Chuckles ]

And you've seen him with a lot

of people -- Christian Scott and

Esperanza Spalding.

And now he has his own records

out, his own projects out --

Matt Stevens on guitar.

[ Cheers and applause ]

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And somebody I've known for a

while.

We've played together quite a

bit, and I've just grown to love

this guy so much, one of the

most talented pianists and one

of the greatest people that I've

ever hung out with and been

friends with -- Aaron Parks on

piano and keyboard.

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So, this was an unexpected jam

moment.

So, thanks for being part of

this jam session.

We're gonna take it out with

the chorus.

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One, two!

>> ♪ She said to pray the

gay away ♪

♪ To pray the gay away

♪ She said to pray the

gay away ♪

♪ To pray the gay away

♪ She said to pray the

gay away ♪

♪ To pray the gay away

♪ She said to pray the

gay away ♪

♪ To pray the gay away

[ Music stops ]

>> All right.

We're Social Science.

Thank you very much.

And you guys are gonna have

a great time tonight.

We're glad that we were here to

kick it off.

[ Mid-tempo jazz music plays ]

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