Talking Pictures with Neil Rosen


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AIRED: April 10, 2020 | 0:26:45

Neil Rosen: This week, on a special stuck-at-home edition

of Talking Pictures with Neil Rosen, we'll look at a new

film adaptation of the classic Jane Austen novel, Emma, and

we'll check out the new action horror thriller, The Hunt,

plus, the British mystery series, The Stranger, and two

crime drama series, ZeroZeroZero and The Outsider

based on a novel by Stephen King.

We also have a whole bunch of classic films for you to watch.

We've got all that and many more movie picks coming up.

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I'm Neil Rosen, and welcome to Talking Pictures.

It's our monthly critic round table show where we debate

what's worth watching and what's not when it comes to

new releases, hidden gems, and Hollywood classics.

We know the movie theaters are closed, and because of the

pandemic, you're probably stuck at home and craving some

entertainment at home.

So, along with my panel, we're all streaming from home, we're

social distancing, we have plenty of movies and TV series

for you to binge watch, and joining me are Bill McCuddy

from GoldDerby. Hi, Bill!

Bill McCuddy: Hi Neil.

This is day 12 for these pajamas. Thank you.

Neil Rosen: Lisa Rosman from Signs and Sirens. Hi, Lisa.

Lisa Rosman: Hey Neil, thank you for a reason to take a

shower and wear lipstick.

Neil Rosen: I'm glad, I'm glad there's some good that comes

out of this.

And Mike Sargent, hi Mike, from WBAI.

Mike Sargent: Thank you allowing me to take a sh-

shower and wear some lipstick, thank you.

Neil Rosen: Let's start out with a look at several new

films that are available OnDemand or streaming and we'll

start with the new adaptation of the Jane Austen novel, Emma.

Let's take a look at a clip.

Harriet: Mrs. Martin thinks you're the most handsome woman

in all of Highbury.

Emma: You must never flatter me in front of

Mr. Knightley, Harriet.

He thinks me vain enough already.

Mr. Knightley: I do not think you personally vain,

considering how very handsome you are, you seem little

occupied with it.

Your vanity lies a different way.

Neil Rosen: Bill, tell us all about Emma.

Bill McCuddy: Well, just when you thought we didn't need

another adaptation of this, we kinda do.

This one is a fresh updated, has a bright look to it,

it's not lit by candles like some of the ones have

been in the past.

And the real star here is Anya Taylor-Joy.

You remembers her from Thoroughbreds or The Witch or

Peaky Blinders, all of which are available OnDemand and all

good rentals in themselves.

We know the story very well.

She's a matchmaker, but she really enlivens it here.

She's helped with the supporting cast that includes

Johnny Flynn from Lovesick, also Bill Nighy as her dad,

who I felt was kinda wasted.

He's a favorite of mine, but he isn't given a lot to do here.

It runs two hours and five minutes long, which normally

we would say is too long, but these days, it's great.

So, we're actually happy to have long versions of films.

Ironically, you'll find it on your cable system under In

Theaters Now, but it's not in theaters, it's only at home.

Neil Rosen: Lisa?

Lisa Rosman: Well, I'm of the opinion that there is no such

thing as too many Jane Austen adaptations, as long as

it, especially while they're still making Liam Neeson saves

the world movies over and over.

And this is actually one of my favorite Austen novels,

and I think they do an excellent job here.

Emma in, in general spearheads the myth, I think, of the

charitably wealthy and Taylor-Joy does such a good

job of capturing that kinda clueless condescension with

this really wonderful, wide-eyed wit.

And you know, I think that Emma's dad is not a big role,

and I appreciate that they didn't overwrite it, but Bill,

Bill Nighy is always hilarious.

Neil Rosen: I think Bill Nighy is great.

Great comic relief.

I like Anya Taylor-Joy in this as well.

I agree with you, Lisa, but I don't see why we need another

version of this.

I like the Gwyneth Paltrow version that was done in 1996,

directed and the screenplay by Douglas McGrath,

if you really wanna see a great different take on

this Jane Austen novel, Emma, take a look at the

Alicia Silverstone movie, Clueless.

That's a tremendous update and that, at least, puts a

different spin on it.

But for what this is, I do enjoy it, I think it's good.

I just don't see the reason for it.

Well, as you've noticed, we're not on our regular set and

we're trying different things, so for the next movie,

we're gonna do this Brady Bunch style and, you know,

write us and for the next episode, maybe you'll like this better.

We're just checking out different things and experimenting.

So having said that, Mike, give us a movie that you

like that you wanna recommend.

Mike Sargent: Well, I have to say, I'm gonna recommend

the new version of Most Dangerous Game.

It's called The Hunt.

It stars Betty Gilpin and Hilary Swank, and basically

it's the same story where people wake up, they're more or less

poor people who find out they're being hunted by the rich.

I really like this movie because it skewers the right,

it skewers the left, social media, people who are full of

themselves, and, and I really thought Betty Gilpin, I

thought she was great.

Bill McCuddy: I'm gonna jump in here, Neil.

I love this movie.

I had zero expectations for it going in, but I was, I know

that it's been maligned, it was moved around for some

political reasons, and then both the left and the right

came out and said, "No, it's about them."

"No, it's about them."

Well, it doesn't matter, because to me it takes on, as

he alluded to, social media, and the whole idea of what

you say online really does come back to haunt you.

This is an incredibly big surprise for me and it was

just in theaters, because of the pandemic, it's now

available at home.

Neil Rosen: I don't know what movie you guys watched.

This was awful. But go ahead, Lisa.

Lisa Rosman: Yeah, for me the big surprise is how overrated it is.

I think-

Neil Rosen: Yeah.

Lisa Rosman: ... the brouhaha around the film was way better

than the drama within the film, which is yeah, I know

you think I'm wrong, which only makes me more right.

And honestly, the drama around this film was,

was actually kind of interesting, but the truth is

that the film in itself is not smart enough to make the

impact that everyone was afraid that it would.

I mean, this is a B movie.

Not grade B, just an old-school schlocky B movie

that comes with a lot of bombast around it that isn't merited.

Neil Rosen: To say that I didn't like this movie is an

understatement. I detested this movie.

I was so offended by this entire thing, the characters

both on the left and on the right were gross stereotypes

and yes, very nice sign, Bill.

And you know, the whole thing was like a cartoon.

First of all, the Betty Gilpin character, and I like

Betty Gilpin, but in this she was like Rambo, and there's a

fight scene between her-

Lisa Rosman: Which actually was cool.

I just wanna say, that was cool.

Mike Sargent: She was great! Awesome.

Neil Rosen: There was a fight, there was a fight scene in the

kitchen between Betty Gilpin and Hilary Swank that was a

complete rip off of the fight scene between you know-

Bill McCuddyt: Homage, Neil. Homage.

Neil Rosen: ... in Kill Bill.

Listen, all I have to say is this, is as you said, or one

of you alluded to, I think it was Bill, that it was

pulled from theaters for political reasons because

there were mass shootings.

It should've been pulled from theaters not only for that,

because it was just a horrible, boring film.

I do not recommend this film. Avoid it.

Lisa Rosman: I agree.

Bill McCuddy: Don't miss it.

Mike Sargent: Neil is wrong.

Neil Rosen: Lisa, Les Miserables is not the uh,

Victor Hugo version, but there's a new one out there.

Tell us about it.

Lisa Rosman: It's true, it's not.

this is a French language film.

It'll be streaming on Amazon Prime starting April 10th.

you're right, it may share a title with the Victor Hugo

novel, but that's about it.

It's a different animal entirely and spoiler alert, it

is also not a musical.

It is set in a rough neighborhood in Paris today,

and it's got this really well choreographed cast

and it's filmed really beautifully.

It's a crime drama that looks at police corruption,

immigration dynamics, or organized crime and the

disenchanted youth who get caught in the middle of it.

Suffice it to say that there is a drone that plays a

central part and for me at least, and I know everyone

doesn't agree with me about this, but the film is as

gripping in the slow, quote unquote, lighter moments as it

is when the drama whips up to a frenzy.

Neil Rosen: Mike?

Mike Sargent: I'm going to say don't listen to anything Bill

says, this is a great film-

Lisa Rosman: Always.

Mike Sargent: ... and it's really surprisingly good.

It's one of the best films of last year.

Neil Rosen: Bill?

Bill McCuddy: Well, the Fre- the French thought so too.

They made it their Oscar nomination and submitted it

and it was nominated.

I just think it's overrated.

To me it's like a, a long Law and Order episode in

French and there's no one to like for.

Can't recommend it.

Lisa Rosman: I forgot to make a sign that says,

"Bill is overrated." I forgot.

Neil Rosen: All right, let's move on.

Mike, on a completely different type of movie, Vivarium.

Tell us about that.

Mike Sargent: Well, I'll tell you about Vivarium in brief.

Vivarium is about two- a couple of, a young couple

played by Jesse Eisenberg and Imogen Poots who wander into a

real estate office to look at some homes that look all

exactly the same.

A really weird real estate agent says, "Oh, I'll bring you out."

He's really weird.

They get out there and next thing you know, they're

trapped, they can't get out of this place and they have a baby

delivered and it says, "Raise this child and you can escape."

It's essentially a giant Twilight Zone episode.

Not as good as some of the best Twilight Zone episodes,

but it's compelling enough to keep your attention.

I will say Jesse Eisenberg, once again, plays Jesse


And I think Imogen Poo- Imogen Poots I

think did a really good job.

Neil Rosen: Lisa?

Lisa Rosman: Okay, the thing is this movie, that sort

of weird, eerie, quirky thing, like dudes like Charlie

Kaufman do a lon- a lot better.

And I gotta say though, yeah, watching Jesse Eisenberg while

quarantined feels like unnecessary torture.

I mean, this guy has, he does not have much range, I think

is the most charitable way to phrase it.

Neil Rosen: Okay, I did not care for Vivarium, I felt like

the couple that are trapped in that neighborhood.

I felt like I was trapped in this movie.

It's like a bad Twilight Zone episode, and there are not

many bad Twilight episodes. It's way too long.

It should've been a half an hour.

Actually, correct that, it shouldn't have been at all.

Well, you know there's some great TV series that are

streaming right now to binge watch that do take up a lot of

time and'll entertain you in the process and we're gonna

tell you about a few, starting with The Outsider.

Lisa Rosman: I love this show.

And honestly, the last thing I thought I was going to do was

recommend a supernatural crime procedural, because what a

weird genre.

But this, which by the way, streams on HBO, is just so

ridiculously smart, strong and compelling.

It's adapted from a Stephen King novel, by showrunner

Richard Price who's a crime writer that you may know from

such movies as Clockers and hello, the TV show The Wire.

And honestly he's pretty much the last person I

thought would talk- tackle a supernatural topic, which

is why I trusted it.

Think of it as contemporary noire which, and it's

focusing on a series of southern murders that seem

like they're not connected, but they are through a very

improbable set of circumstances.

The cast here is key.

We're talking about Cynthia Erivo, Ben Mendelsohn who is,

as far as I'm concerned, can do no wrong-

Neil Rosen: I love Ben Mendelsohn.

Lisa Rosman: Love, love.

Mare Winningham, Patty Considine, I mean, and the

theme here is of human trauma and lurking evil that, you

know, that you can't explain but you, but it still controls

us and I don't know, I don't know about you guys, but for me,

that's a theme that feels super, super relevant right now.

Neil Rosen: Mike?

Mike Sargent: Well, I think you're right and I think

everybody there, Stephen King pretty much has like,

you know, the Stephen King universe.

He's written- so much and has so many things made.

Richard Price, you know, you can't get better crime

procedurals or crime dramas than you can from Richard

Price and the cast is fantastic.

That's what makes it so...

Just on paper alone, seeing the people involved, you would

have to watch this show.

Neil Rosen: All right, Bill, give me, give me a show that

we could all binge watch that you like.

Bill McCuddy: Well, this one should be called Waiting for

Gomorrah, one of my other favorite shows that has two

more seasons that'll drop soon but haven't yet.

It's called ZeroZeroZero and it's from some of the

Gomorrah people.

It's basically 2000 Soderbergh's Traffic, updated

to a current kind of eight part series, and what I like

about it is it has three international stories going on

at the same time.

The buyer of drugs, the seller of drugs and then the shippers

of the drugs, and the shipping family is played by uh,

Gabriel Byrne, Dane DeHaan and Andrew Riseborough, who is so

amazing in this.

She's been in The Death of Stalin and is a regular in

Black Mirror.

Basically, we get to go to Mexico, Italy, Casablanca, it

has a big budget, it'll suck you in from the very

first hour and everyone who's seen this is telling me uh,

they loved it and those that haven't, I'm calling to say,

"You gotta see this thing."

So ZeroZeroZero on Amazon Prime is my highest


Neil Rosen: But that- I tell you, Bill, you recommended

something to me, about a week ago and I was completely

addicted to this thing called The Stranger, which is a uh,

British mystery thriller series on Netflix that it had

me right from the start.

Literally 10 minutes in, I was hooked.

A husband with, with a seemingly perfect marriage and

two great sons gets approached by a woman in her 20s.

She's a complete stranger.

The Stranger: Think of me as a stranger.

A stranger that knows.

Neil Rosen: She tells him these devastating secrets.

"Your wife wasn't really pregnant last time before her

supposed miscarriage, you should get a DNA test, because

your kids might not really be yours."

And this woman goes up to many other people with

different secrets and totally messes up their lives too.

All the stories eventually become interconnected.

It's fascinating and absorbing, it's got a great cast,

including Stephen Rea, who you probably remember from

The Crying Game, and the ending isn't as satisfying as

it should be, but that doesn't matter because it's an

addictive, binge-worthy eight one-hour episode uh,

mini-series that's really exciting and suspenseful.

And, and Lisa, I see you nodding your head.

You love it-

Lisa Rosman: Well, I gotta say Neil, those Brits really know

how to do a crime procedural, man.

I mean, this is so smart and layered and contained and


And, I mean, I think, I've been thinking about we've all picked

so many crime topics today, and I really think that watching

things get solved satisfies an inch for us right now,

so I really recommend this film, and I've been thinking,

I think crime procedurals are where it's at, people.

Neil Rosen: Well, you binge-watched the whole thing

last night, which is-

Lisa Rosman: Honestly, I watched it, what is it?

It's a, it's a 10, it's an eight episode thing, I think I

watched it in eight hours straight. It's awesome.

Neil Rosen: Bill?

Bill McCuddy: No, I think it is engrossing.

In the middle of it, it kinda becomes a Scooby Doo

adventure, with the kids involved but it

pulls itself together at the end and you know,

it's got a lot of things to tie up. I will say that.

But when are we going to admit that anything with a British

patina is almost better than anything we can make?

Neil Rosen: And Mike, you're very big on the new Twilight

Zone, which is on CBS All Access, which is hosted

and created by Jordan Peele.

Mike Sargent: Well, you know, I was a little late to it

and I only got to see it uh, recently but I really liked it

and I had wondered why, you know, I like everything that

he's been doing, but I was wondering why did he want to

remake the Twilight Zone?

We have Black Mirror, we have all these TV shows, but when

you see this new Twilight Zone, you realize this

Twilight Zone is a very specific thing that tells very

specific kinds of stories, and what he's done here is made it

more socially relevant than ever.

The cast is always multi-cultural, there are

stories that take place in Alaska and dealing with

Eskimos, there are stories where Asians are the main

character, and then it's not an issue that they're Asian.

I really like this because it reminded me of why I like the

Twilight Zone.

Not every episode is stellar, but they're all very, very,

very watchable.

Neil Rosen: I'm a big fan of the original Twilight Zone

with Rod Sterling and this is acceptable, but this is no

Rod Sterling Twilight Zone.

There is no episode in this new series that is equivalent

to let's say, To Serve Man, or Willoughby or dozens of other

Twilight Zone episodes that I just really cherish.

Jordan Peele is, is, is fine, you know, again, he's no

Rod Sterling either.

If you really wanna see something on par with Twilight

Zone or as close as you're gonna get, as you mentioned

Black Mirror a moment ago, Mike, that is as close as

you're gonna get to the Twilight Zone.

There are episodes in that that are just genius.

That's a great series.

So I say instead of the new Twilight Zone, which is on CBS

All Access, which is, I'd go to Netflix and watch Black Mirror.


Lisa Rosman: I really wanted to like this, but I'm not sure

that adaptations are Jordan Peele's strong suit.

I mean, he is, I think almost the undeniable king right now

of original material, really smart horror and I don't know

if he's the right guy to confine himself to someone

else's narrative structure and ideas, no matter how much he

admires it.

This, every one of these episodes fell short, which was

so surprising to me at first, because I do think Jordan

Peele's horror films are some of the best things that have

been made in the last five years.

Bill McCuddy: And Neil, we would be remiss if we didn't

point out that you can probably see on either the

SyFy channel or something called Antenna or MeTV on lots

of cable systems, the original Twilight Zone,

so just seek it out.

Neil Rosen: Yeah, that's true.

Well, here's something I came late to the party.

Mike said he was late to the party on the new Twilight Zone.

When back in 2017 when GLOW came out on Netflix,

my wife and I watched the first two episodes and we said,

"You know, not really so good."

And then somebody recommended, they said,

"No, no, no, it gets better and go back in."

And since we're all in this pandemic, with lots of

stuff to watch, we went back in and I became addicted to

this thing.

GLOW, which stands for Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling,

is about a group of out-of-work actresses in the

1980s who wind up getting employed by a startup

low-budget wrestling TV show.

And these women who know nothing about wrestling are

given wild characters to create, they're trained and

taught wrestling choreography and along the way, we get to

know each of their personal stories, as the women forge

strong friendships and those stories are really good.

Betty Gilpin from The Hunt is in it and Alison Brie is I

guess really the star of the show and Geena Davis comes on

for the third season and Marc Maron steals every scene he's

in as the sort of director manager of this whole

wrestling group. I highly recommend this.

There's three seasons with uh, a fourth season coming your

way very soon. Lisa?

Lisa Rosman: Well, you know, I love this series.

I'm excited that there's gonna be another one

at some point.

It's so feminist, it's so fun, it's very tenderhearted

bubble gum, which not, is really not unlike the '80s themselves,

except with better sexual and racial politics.

Neil Rosen: And Bill, I know you've only seen the first two

episodes and stopped, like I did.

Go back in and watch it.

I'm telling you, it gets infinitely better.

Bill McCuddy: Neil, it's not real. It's not real.

Neil Rosen: It's based on a real story.

Bill McCuddy: Yeah but I'm-

Neil Rosen: There was a real GLOW.

Bill McCuddy: ... I'm talking about professional wrestling.

Listen, it didn't grab me.

I've got a lot of time now, maybe I will revisit it.

Neil Rosen: There was a new movie that went straight to

Netflix a few months ago called A Fall From Grace.

Not a very good film on any level, but I talked to its

writer and director Tyler Perry and one of the stars of

that movie, Phylicia Rashad about streaming and here's

what they had to say.

How do you feel about the movie not playing on a big

screen and do you also agree that maybe it would be played

better on a big screen than on the small screen, home screen?

Tyler Perry: Well, I've done several

thousands of hours of television on a small screen

and get pretty good reactions, so I love the idea of seeing

the audience, to having immediate reaction together,

having that camaraderie, but if that doesn't happen,

I also love the idea of people being able to turn it on at

home and watching it as many times as they want,

so it's a give and take on both sides, but I love working

with Netflix.

Phylicia Rashad: This seems to be where the world is going.

Where film, where cinema, is going, to streaming and the like.

I didn't have a problem watching it alone.

I think I received so much from the film, I think I

received the film as it was intended, as it was given.

Neil Rosen: Well, if you like classic films, there really

are some great ones out there to watch.

Lisa, gimme a classic film and tell everyone where they can

watch it.

Lisa Rosman: Oh my gosh, let's talk about The Conversation,

which is on Amazon Prime right now.

Oh, it was made in 1974 by Francis Ford Coppola, hello.

Between him make Godfather I and Godfather II.

Hello, it stars the great Gene Hackman as a surveillance

expert who believes he hears an intonation of murder on a

conversation he tape records.

This, in my opinion, is one of the great films of the 1970s,

though it was actually under-appreciated at the time

of its release.

I think maybe because it was a little less charismatic than

some of the other films, but it's so keenly observed and


And the whole concept of personal responsibility and a

sense of futility in the shadow of Deep State and

looming institutions.

Once again, I can't help but say, I keep on picking

films that are relevant to right now.

Neil Rosen: Look at these movies that Francis Coppola

made in the '70s in addition to Godfather I and Godfather

II and this phenomenal movie, The Conversation.

He also did Apocalypse Now and then that was it.

What happened to Francis Ford Coppola after the 1970s?

Because the movies just were not even in the same league,

but The Conversation, as you said, such a great film.

John Cazale is in it, a young Harrison Ford shows up for a

few minutes in the movie too.

Yeah, I highly recommend that movie. Mike?

Mike Sargent: Well, I have to say, I agree.

I think The Conversation is a great, great film and if you

haven't seen it, please see it.

And since you have time, I would watch that as a double

feature with Enemy of the State, because that's a movie,

it's not as good, it's a Tony Scott film, it's a Will Smith

star, it's a political thriller, but Gene Hackman

plays a role that is clearly an homage to his character in

The Conversation and it will just make you smile because

throughout the whole film you're thinking, "Okay, The


So I recommend the film quite a bit.

Neil Rosen: Bill, you're nodding your head.

Bill McCuddy: Yeah, well, those Scott brothers know how

to make watchable, popcorn-chomping movies and

Enemy of the State is a good example.

Not great, but really, really good, and, and I'm glad to

have Mike bring that one up.

I will hold up the "Mike is wrong" card on that one.

Lisa Rosman: I also wanna mention that if people are

interested in classic films, this is a really, really great

time to do a deep dive into the back catalog of movies,

since what else are you going to do?

And I have to say, most major streaming sites have

pretty lousy back catalogs, especially if you wanna go

before the '80s.

Which is I am recommending maybe getting the Criterion


It's very reasonably priced and it's an independent

streaming site that features so much independent and

foreign and classic film that you can't get anywhere else.

Just this month there's movies with, by, with Rita

Hayworth films directed by Bogdanovich, Éric Rohmer,

Allison Anders, Agnès Varda, Terry Zwigoff.

I say it, get Criterion channel, and I don't even

think any of you boys do, so get on it boys.

Bill McCuddy: Somebody that's doing sorta the same thing

with old time programming is Turner Classic Movies and

Late Night.

They have a thing called The Underground, and what they're

doing is they're highlighting it, like say 2:00 in the

morning Eastern Standard Time until like 6:00 in the

morning, let's say the French New Wave, or like '60s British

films or sometimes just drive-in movies.

The other night, they had a double feature between Across

110th Street, which is one of the first blacksploitation

films and Superfly, the Ron O'Neal, Curtis Mayfield track,

you know, not a great expensive movie, kinda cheap,

down and dirty, but effective and good and people still

remember the songs from that film, almost as much as they

do Shaft and Isaac Hayes, so they're doing cool things.

Turner Class- Turner Classic Movies Underground, and I've

been DVR-ing some of those great old movies.

Neil Rosen: Mike, you're shaking your head when he,

when Bill said Superfly.

Mike Sargent: Because I have to sigh, because you

know, and I'm gonna do, like my Clarence Williams III.

Listen, Bill- okay, first of all, you know,


I hate the term, it is what it is, and this is the beginning of it.

Blacksploitation was they realized there was money to be

made on Black audiences showing them quote unquote,

kicking ass.

So it's got drugs, it's got sex, it's got violence, but

he's a pimp. I'm sorry.

A movie about a pimp who's the hero of the film?

I can't say what I wanna say in terms of words.

The only good thing about that whole era is that it allowed a

lot of great actors who weren't getting work to work.

But other than that, I'm sorry, Superfly, there was no

need to make it then, there's no need to make the remake,

I disagree. Sorry.

Neil Rosen: Okay, so very quickly, you know, what do

you like better?

The Shaft soundtrack or the Superfly soundtrack?

I don't think there's a contest.

I think it's the Superfly soundtrack.

Mike Sargent: That's, that's the best thing about the film

is Curtis Mayfield's score.

Lisa Rosman: Oh for sure, Curtis Mayfield-

Mike Sargent: Absolutely best. Absolutely.

Lisa Rosman: Curtis Mayfield was the bomb.

Always and forever. Always.

Bill McCuddy: I love it too and used to listen to it all

the time, but I have to tell you, we can't ignore the fact

that Isaac Hayes got an Oscar for the Shaft soundtrack-

Mike Sargent: Yes.

Bill McCuddy: ... which he did in 1972, was a pretty big deal.

Neil Rosen: The Shaft soundtrack had one good song, Shaft.

The Superfly soundtrack had tons of good songs.

And you know, I did the Shaft junket, like last year, and I

actually asked the original Shaft, Richard Roundtree, who

was sitting alongside Jessie T. Usher and Samuel L.

Jackson, the answer to that question and listen to how he

reacted to that question.

Your own personal opinion, what's the better soundtrack?

Shaft or Superfly?

Richard Roundtree: Oh-

Neil Rosen: Movie soundtrack.

Richard Roundtree: Did you actually ask that question?

Neil Rosen: I actually did.

I actually did.

Richard Roundtree: Who- who- who is he?

Neil Rosen: All right, we'll skip that.

Samuel L. Jackson: You're not a music critic.

Neil Rosen: Well, that question went over well with them.

The classic movie that I wanna recommend is from 2002 and

it's The Magdalene Sisters and it was my favorite movie of

the year that year.

It's a true story based on the Magdalene laundries in

Ireland, where so-called fallen women were imprisoned

for getting pregnant out of wedlock or even, get this,

for being flirty.

Operated by the Catholic church, it's about four girls

who are sent there.

The horrific treatment that they endure, and then by the

end, the movie turns into something like The Great

Escape as they try to bust outta this place.

It's directed by Peter Mullan, it's a fascinating history

lesson about a sad chapter in Ireland's history and a

watered down mainstream version of this same topic can

be found in a Judi Dench, Steve Coogan movie called


But I have to tell you, Magdalene Sisters is just

eye-opening, fascinating movie.

Lisa, you just keep nodding like you want me to go to you.

Go ahead. Chime in.

Lisa Rosman: Well, I'm proud of you for picking this film, honestly.

Like we, you know, we haven't featured that much

female-oriented content and neither have I, actually, but-

Neil Rosen: Did you hear the GLOW, did you hear the GLOW

segment earlier?

Lisa Rosman: Yeah, not saying much, my friend.

We're still talking about two women things in this sea of men.

But I would say this movie, one of the reasons it works so

beautifully is that it's a very weighty topic, but it's a

light touch.

So if you're afraid to watch it because you think, like,

it's gonna be a, something that's gonna depress you

even more, the truth is that the movie has a lot of nuance and

even some wit.

Neil Rosen: Well, that's about all the time we have.

With any luck, we've given you some movies and TV shows to

watch to help pass the time in this time of crisis.

I wanna thank Lisa Rosman, Bill McCuddy and Mike Sargent.

Be healthy, stay well.

I'm Neil Rosen, join us next time on Talking Pictures.

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