Talking Pictures with Neil Rosen

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Music Biopics, Dolemite Is My Name

Film critic Neil Rosen invites viewers to explore the movie industry with him each month, as he dives in to the latest releases from Hollywood and independent producers. Interviews with actors and other industry insiders, as well as commentary from fellow critics, provide varying perspectives on the ever-changing world of film.

AIRED: October 11, 2019 | 0:26:47
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>>> THIS WEEK ON TALKING

PICTURES WITH NEIL ROSEN.

WE'LL LOOK AT THE NEW

BIOGRAPHICAL COMEDY

DOLEMITE IS MY NAME,

STARRING EDDIE MURPHY;

THE BRAD PITT OUTER SPACE

SCI-FI DRAMA, AD ASTRA;

AND THE NEW BIO-PIC JUDY,

WITH RENEE ZELLWEGER

PLAYING LEGENDARY SINGER

AND ACTRESS, JUDY GARLAND.

PLUS, WE'LL CHECK OUT A

NEW DOCUMENTARY ABOUT

INFAMOUS LAWYER AND

NOTORIOUS FIXER, ROY COHN.

WE'VE GOT ALL THAT AND

MANY MORE MOVIE PICKS

COMING UP.

♪ [THEME MUSIC]

I'M NEIL ROSEN. WELCOME TO

TALKING PICTURES. IT'S OUR

MONTHLY CRITIC ROUND-TABLE

SHOW, WHERE WE DEBATE

WHAT'S WORTH WATCHING AND

WHAT'S NOT WHEN IT COMES

TO NEW RELEASES, HIDDEN

GEMS, AND HOLLYWOOD

CLASSICS. JOINING ME TODAY

ARE BILL MCCUDDY FROM

GOLDDERBY; LISA ROSMAN

FROM SIGNS AND SIRENS; AND

MIKE SARGENT FROM WBAI.

NOW LET'S START OUT WITH A

LOOK AT A FEW NEW FILMS

HITTING THEATERS THIS

MONTH, BEGINNING WITH

DOLEMITE IS MY NAME. IT'S

A BIOPIC SET IN THE 1970S

ABOUT STAND-UP COMIC AND

FILMMAKER RUDY RAY MOORE,

AND IT STARS EDDIE MURPHY.

LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT A CLIP.

>>> ALL MY LIFE, PEOPLE

BEEN TELLING ME NO.

RUDY. SOMETIMES OUR

DREAMS JUST DON'T COME

TRUE. A MAN SLAM A DOOR IN

MY FACE, I JUST FIND

ANOTHER DOOR. I WANT THE

WORLD TO KNOW I EXIST. YOU

CAN WRITE. IT JUST AIN'T

FUNNY, AND IT AIN'T NO

BROTHERS IN IT, EITHER.

IF I GET UP IN THAT LIGHT

WITH MY OWN MOVIE, I COULD

BE EVERYWHERE ALL AT ONCE.

LET'S BRING DOLEMITE TO

THE SCREEN. THE ACTORS

WE HIRE... YOU'RE A BIT

DOUGHIER THAN THEM.

DOUGHIER?

>>> MIKE, TELL US ABOUT

DOLEMITE IS MY NAME.

>>> WELL, DOLEMITE

IS MY NAME IS ACTUALLY ONE

OF THOSE FILMS THAT YOU

NEVER THOUGHT, OR I NEVER

THOUGHT WOULD EVER GET

MADE. I'VE KNOWN ABOUT

RUDY RAY MOORE JUST AS A

PERSON OF COLOR, AS A

BLACK PERSON I GREW UP, MY

DAD HAD THE RECORDS THAT I

WASN'T SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT

WHEN I WAS A KID.

>>> [LAUGHS]

>>> BUT WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT

THIS MOVIE IS NOT ONLY

THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW,

SOMEONE WHO PERSEVERED AND

FINALLY SUCCEEDED, IS THAT

YOU GET TO SEE EDDIE

MURPHY DOING STANDUP,

EDDIE MURPHY BEING FUNNY,

AND WESLEY SNIPES, WHO I

THINK STEALS EVERY SINGLE

SCENE THAT HE'S IN AND

MAKES YOU REALIZE JUST HOW

UNDERUTILIZED HE IS AS A-

>>> WELL FOR PEOPLE THAT

DON'T KNOW, GIVE A LITTLE

BACKGROUND OF WHAT THIS IS

ABOUT.

>>> OH, SURE. RUDY RAY

MOORE WAS A COMEDIAN. BUT

HE WAS A COMEDIAN WHO WAS

NOT DOING TOO WELL.

DOLEMITE IS SORT OF AN OLD

CHARACTER THAT PEOPLE USED

TO CREDIT AS BEING THE

BADDEST OF THE BAD.

>>> [LAUGHS]

>>> IT'S KIND OF WINO

JOKES, FOR USE OF A BETTER

TERM. WHAT HE DID WAS TAKE

ALL OF THAT, THOSE SORT OF

URBAN MYTHS ABOUT

DOLEMITE; MAKE HIMSELF THE

CHARACTER; DRESS UP LIKE A

PIMP, IT WAS THE '70S; AND

THAT ACT DID SO WELL, IT

WAS RAUNCHY, IT WAS DIRTY,

IT WAS RHYMING, HE'S BEEN

KIND OF CONSIDERED THE

GODFATHER OF RAP.

>>> MM-HMM.

>>> AND IT BECAME A HUGE HIT.

HE MADE SEVEN FILMS.

>>> LISA?

>>> I ACTUALLY REALLY

LIKED THIS MOVIE, AND I

DIDN'T WALK IN THERE

EXPECTING IT. PART OF IT

IS THE CAST, YOU'RE RIGHT;

IT'S JUST CRAZY GOOD.

LIKE, WESLEY SNIPES IS

REALLY FUNNY; TITUSS IS

REALLY GOOD; SNOOP, WHO'S

ALWAYS PRETTY AMAZING ACTUALLY-

>>> [LAUGHS] PERFECTLY CAST.

>>> IN MOVIES BUT HE'S

JUST SUPER, SUPER FUNNY AS

A RECORD STORE DJ.

AND WE ALWAYS, I THINK

SOMETIMES, BECAUSE WHEN

YOU [LAUGHS]... BECAUSE

EDDIE MURPHY HAS MADE SO

MANY BAD CHOICES OVER THE

YEARS, WE FORGET THAT HE

CAN ACTUALLY REALLY ACT.

BUT HE FINDS ALL KINDS OF

MELANCHOLY AND GRIT IN THE

CHARACTER THAT HE'S

PLAYING. MY ONE ISSUE, AND

IT, AND IT'S REAL, IS

THAT, FOR THIS MOVIE'S

ABOUT EMBRACING OUTSIDERS,

AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE A HARD

TIME FITTING IN; AND YET,

IT'S GOT THIS WEIRD

STRAIN OF HOMOPHOBIA

TOWARD THE ONE GAY

CHARACTER IN THE MOVIE

THAT KIND OF BUMMED ME OUT

A LITTLE BIT.

>>> WELL I WOULD WRITE

THAT OFF TO THE '70S, I MEAN

RUDY RAY MOORE WAS PROBABLY...

>>> I DO TOO.

>>> YEAH, BUT THE MOVIE

WASN'T MADE IN THE '70S.

>>> RUDY RAY MOORE WAS

HOMOPHOBIC, SO THAT'S THE

WAY HE'S PORTRAYED.

>>> YEAH BUT, IT WAS

GRATUITOUS. LIKE, IT, I'LL

JUST PUT IT OUT THERE.

>>> LOOK, YOU GUYS ARE

BURYING THE LEAD HERE,

WHICH IS THAT EDDIE MURPHY

IS BACK. HE'S BACK BIG

TIME. THIS IS THE GREAT

GRAND EDDIE MURPHY THAT WE

KNEW FROM SATURDAY NIGHT

LIVE, FROM 48 HOURS; THIS

IS A PERFECT VEHICLE FOR

HIM, THIS RUDY RAY MOORE

GUY. AND WHAT WE HAVEN'T

EXPLAINED IS, IT'S A MOVIE

WITHIN A MOVIE, BECAUSE

HE'S... HAS TO GO OUT,

MAKE HIS OWN RECORDS, AND

THEN HAS TO MAKE HIS OWN

MOVIE. THE MOVIE-MAKING IS

A BIG PART OF THIS FILM.

>>> REALLY FUNNY.

>>> AND LIKE THE DISASTER

ARTIST FROM LAST YEAR,

THIS IS REALLY, REALLY FUN

TO WATCH, BECAUSE, STAY

FOR THE CREDITS, YOU'RE

GOING TO SEE THE REAL RUDY

RAY MOORE AND SOME OF THE

REAL SCENES THAT THEY'VE

RECREATED HERE.

>>> MM-HMM.

>>> NETFLIX HAS A HUGE HIT

ON THEIR HANDS, AND, AND

I'M REALLY EXCITED

ABOUT THIS FILM.

>>> YOU KNOW, THIS IS

EDDIE MURPHY'S COMEBACK

YEAR. I MEAN HE'S

RETURNING TO HOST SNL FOR THE

FIRST TIME IN, LIKE 35 YEARS,

HE'S GOING TO BE ON THE SHOW.

>>> VERY DRAMATIC!

>>> HE'S GOING BACK

TO STAND-UP, AND THEN

HE'S IN THIS MOVIE,

PLAYING A STAND-UP, AND

HE'S A RIOT IN THIS THING,

HE'S ABSOLUTELY GREAT.

LISTEN, I'M SICK OF THE

FAMILY, DISNEY-ORIENTED

EDDIE MURPHY OR EVEN WHEN

HE'S SERIOUS IN SUCH

MOVIES LIKE DREAMGIRLS,

HE'S NOT FUNNY. I MEAN

THIS IS RAUNCHY, YOU KNOW,

EDDIE MURPHY AND

IT'S A PLEASURE TO

WATCH THIS ESPECIALLY IN THE

GUISE OF THIS CHARACTER,

RUDY RAY MOORE, IN THE

GUISE OF CHARACTER

DOLEMITE. AND HE'S

GREAT. AND YOU KNOW-

>>> WELL HE HAS A LOT OF

HEART, TOO. THERE'S A LOT

OF HEART IN THIS MOVIE,

IT'S... YOU SAID RAUNCHY,

AND I DON'T WANT PEOPLE

PUT OFF BY THE FACT THAT

IT'S ALSO REALLY A JOY TO

SEE THIS GUY.

>>> I WAS JUST GOING TO

SAY, THERE'S A-

THERE'S A LOT. I MEAN,

BASICALLY EDDIE MURPHY

DOES EVERYTHING IN THIS

FILM. LIKE HE'S NOT JUST

SUPER FUNNY, HE HAS A LOT

OF GRAVITAS, AND A LOT OF

BEAUTIFUL SADNESS.

>>> YES, HE INFUSES THE

CHARACTER REALLY WITH,

LIKE, A LOT OF HEART AND

EMOTION, IN ADDITION TO

BEING FUNNY. AND LET'S

MOVE ON. LET'S TALK

ABOUT THE NEW SCI-FI

DRAMA, AD ASTRA. LISA.

>>> I'M NODDING ALREADY.

>>> YEAH, EXACTLY.

IN THIS FUTURISTIC,

NOT-SO-THRILLING THRILLER,

BRAD PITT STARS AS THE SON

OF TOMMY LEE JONES, WHO IS

A MUCH-DECORATED

ASTRONAUT, WHO HAS GONE

MIA AND MAY, IN FACT, BE

TRYING TO DESTROY THE

WHOLE HUMAN RACE. NOT TO

MENTION THE WHOLE SOLAR

SYSTEM. SOUNDS EXCITING,

NO? SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF

LASER WARFARE? NO.

THE ENTIRE FILM IS

BASICALLY BRAD SLOGGING TO

NEPTUNE, WHERE HIS DAD MAY

OR MAY NOT BE. AND I FIND

IT AMAZING THAT, THE

DIRECTOR'S THIS GUY, JAMES

GRAY, WHO'S... I LOVE, AND

HAS DONE FILMS LIKE

THE IMMIGRANT. BUT HE,

HERE, HAS MADE

INTERGALACTIC TRAVEL SEEM

AS BORING-

>>> [LAUGHS]

>>> ... AS TRAVELING

BETWEEN, LIKE, LAGUARDIA

AIRPORT AND THE MIDWEST

WITH THREE CONNECTING

FLIGHTS.

>>> I AGREE.

>>> THE BEST PART, TO ME,

IS THE PHOTOGRAPHY, WHICH

IS BEAUTIFUL. BUT I THINK

SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO

FIND A LOT OF DEPTH IN

BRAD PITT'S CHARACTER;

HE'S DOING A LOT OF

SOUL-SEARCHING AND

SELF-RECKONING ABOUT

INTIMACY. I FOUND IT

PSEUDO-FREUDIAN INDULGENCE.

>>> MIKE?

>>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I

ADMIRE WHAT THE FILM WAS

TRYING TO DO. OKAY? ON THE

ONE LEVEL, IT'S SORT OF

APOCALYPSE NOW IN

OUTER SPACE; ON ANOTHER

LEVEL, HE'S TRYING TO DO

AN ADULT SCIENCE FICTION

THAT DEALS WITH REAL

THEMES, AND, YOU KNOW,

MAKE SPACE TRAVEL NOT

ABOUT LASERS AND FIGHTING

ALIENS AND WHATNOT.

I THINK HE PARTIALLY

SUCCEEDS, BUT IT KEEPS

VEERING INTO BEING

DIDACTIC, AND...

>>> MM-HMM. INTO BEING

TIRESOME.

>>> AND A LOT OF CLOSEUPS

OF BRAD PITT, LIKE

PONDERING, PONDERING...

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU

FLOAT IN OUTER SPACE, IT

TAKES A LONG TIME.

>>> [LAUGHS]

>>> THAT'S THE PROBLEM

WITH THIS MOVIE. PEOPLE

FLOAT FROM THING TO THING.

THE SCREENING I WENT TO, A

PUBLIC SCREENING, TWO

PEOPLE WALKED OUT. SO IT'S

NOT EVERYBODY'S CUP OF...

>>> IT'S A SUB-HORRIFIC.

>>> THE BEST THING

I CAN SAY ABOUT THIS MOVIE

IS THAT IT'S VISUALLY STUNNING.

IT'S BEAUTIFUL TO LOOK

AT BUT THAT IS NOT

ENOUGH OF A REASON TO GO

TO SEE THIS MOVIE. BRAD

PITT'S CHARACTER IS

EMOTIONLESS; THEY KEEP

TAKING HIS HEART RATE

THROUGH IT, AND, AND IT'S,

HE'S LIKE, "OH, YOU'RE

VERY STEADY." I CAN'T

CONNECT WITH THIS

PARTICULAR CHARACTER,

BECAUSE HE'S LIKE A, KIND

OF A ROBOTIC CHARACTER.

AND NOTHING REALLY

HAPPENS. AND THEN, I'M

WAITING FOR THE END, THE

BIG CLIMAX, WHICH IS LIKE

THE LAST FEW MINUTES OF

THE FILM, AND WHEN I

WATCH THE CLIMAX OF THE

FILM, I'M LIKE, "THAT'S IT?"

I MEAN THERE'S NO, AS

WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT,

THERE'S NO THERE-

>>> NO, SERIOUSLY, "IS THAT ALL

THERE IS?"

>>> WELL PLUS IT DOESN'T

REALLY ANSWER. I MEAN,

YOU'RE NOT REALLY CERTAIN

WHAT THE WHOLE POINT OF

THE FATHER/SON

RELATIONSHIP IS BY THE END.

>>> WELL, THAT, THAT'S THE

BIGGEST PROBLEM, IS THE

MUDDLE, AND BY THE END

YOUR HEART RATE DOES NOT

INCREASE AT ALL.

>>> NO, NOT AT ALL. MY

HEART RATE DECREASED.

>>> BUT REMEMBER, NEIL,

WHEN YOU WERE, WHEN YOU

WERE, YOU, WHEN YOU WERE

STUNNED, YOU MAY HAVE BEEN

ASLEEP. [LAUGHING]

>>> WELL, I DIDN'T SLEEP

THROUGH THE MOVIE, BUT THE

MOVIE IS A SNOOZE FEST.

ANYWAY, NEXT UP IS A NEW

SATIRE CALLED THE DAY

SHALL COME, WHICH IS IN

THEATERS AND IT'S ALSO

STREAMING ON DEMAND. BILL.

>>> THIS WAS A SOUTH BY

SOUTHWEST FESTIVAL

FAVORITE, IT STARS ANNA

KENDRICK AS AN EAGER FBI

AGENT KIND OF TALKING AN

UNDERGROUND LEADER OF FOUR

PEOPLE, MARCHANT DAVIS,

INTO SELLING NUKES TO SOME

SKINHEADS. AND, BY THE

WAY, AS AN ASIDE, WHEN YOU

THINK OF SKINHEADS YOU

ALWAYS THINK OF COMEDIAN

JIM GAFFIGAN. THAT MAKES

SENSE. LISTEN, THIS IS A

REALLY INTERESTING IDEA;

IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A

BITING SATIRE ABOUT HOW

THE GOVERNMENT MAY BE

TALKING PEOPLE INTO BEING

TERRORISTS WHEN THEY

AREN'T REALLY TERRORISTS.

THAT'S A COOL IDEA. THIS

IS THE SAME FILMMAKER THAT

GAVE US FOUR LINES A FEW

YEARS AGO. BUT IT'S

SUPPOSED TO BE BASED ON

100 TRUE STORIES, AND I

WISH ONE OF THEM HAD BEEN FUNNY.

>>> LISA?

>>> OI, THIS FILM.

>>> [LAUGHS]

>>> ... YOU KNOW,

HONESTLY, MAYBE 10 YEARS

AGO THIS KIND OF CYNICISM

MASQUERADING AS CLEVER MAY

HAVE LANDED, BUT RIGHT NOW

TO ME IT LANDED WITH A BIG

THUD. BECAUSE IT'S TOO

PAINFULLY TRUE. AND YOU

CAN'T MAKE FARCE OUT OF

WHAT IS A LIVING FARCE.

LIKE, AND ALSO CAN I JUST

SAY, THE DIRECTOR IS

BRITISH, AND I AM SO DONE

WITH BRITISH PEOPLE

ATTACKING AMERICAN CULTURE

WHEN THERE'S SO MUCH TO

TACKLE IN THEIR OWN

COUNTRY RIGHT NOW!

>>> [LAUGHS] WELL, YOU

KNOW, I COULD AGREE WITH

THAT, BUT I DO THINK

FOREIGNERS DO HAVE A

PERSPECTIVE, AN

OBJECTIVITY ABOUT OUR

CULTURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE.

>>> SOMETIMES.

>>> BUT I DO FEEL HIM

BEING BRITISH... YOU

KNOW... I WOULDN'T EVEN

CALL THIS A FARCE. BECAUSE

A FARCE IS BROAD-

>>> IT'S A SATIRE, IT'S A

SATIRE.

>>> IT'S SUCH A MILD,

LOW-KEY SATIRE THAT

IT'S... IT'S BRITISH AND DRY.

>>> YEAH, I, ALSO-

>>> NOT THE ENDING! I MEAN...

>>> LISTEN-

>>> NO THE ENDING WAS

LIKE... A, REALLY HEAVY-HANDED.

>>> IT WAS TRYING TO MAKE

A STATEMENT AT THE END

THAT I DIDN'T EVEN-

>>> BUT THE ACTORS WERE...

I REALLY THOUGHT, ...

>>> IT DIDN'T EARN THAT

STATEMENT.

>>> GOOD SATIRE IS A VERY

DIFFICULT THING TO PULL

OFF. AND ALTHOUGH THIS IS

WELL-INTENTIONED, AND IT

TRIES TO LOOK AT

CORRUPTION IN THE FBI,

THEY DID NOT PULL IT OFF

HERE AT ALL.

>>> NO.

>>> AND, YOU KNOW, I FOUND

IT CONFUSING AT TIMES, I

DIDN'T FIND IT FUNNY, I

DIDN'T THINK THE SATIRE

WORKED. I THINK IT'S A

MISFIRE. JUDY IS THE NAME

OF A NEW BIOPIC THAT LOOKS

AT MOVIE ICON JUDY

GARLAND, NEAR THE END OF

HER LIFE IN THE LATE 1960S.

LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT A CLIP.

♪ [MUSIC]

>>> WHAT'S THE MATTER?

>>> I CAN'T...

>>> WHAT? NO-NO-NO-NO,

WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU CAN'T?

THERE'S AN AUDIENCE OUT

THERE WAITING TO HEAR YOU SING.

>>> MY MOUTH... DRY...

AND IT COULD FALL APART.

>>> LISTEN TO ME...

>>> I CAN'T.

>>> YOU'LL BE FINE.

NOW. ON YOU GO.

[AUDIENCE CHEERING]

>>> THE MOVIE FOCUSES ON A

STAGE IN JUDY GARLAND'S

LIFE WHEN SHE'S A

BROKEN-DOWN ALCOHOLIC

WHOSE GLORY DAYS ARE WELL

BEHIND HER, SHE'S STRAPPED

FINANCIALLY AND IN

JEOPARDY OF LOSING CUSTODY

OF HER TWO KIDS; SO SHE

TAKES A FIVE-WEEK CONCERT

GIG IN LONDON TO GET BACK

ON TRACK, WHERE SHE OFTEN

GOES OFF THE RAILS THERE,

TOO. RENEE ZELLWEGER PLAYS

GARLAND, AND SHE IS

AMAZING. YOU KNOW, SHE

DOES HER OWN SINGING, AND

ALTHOUGH I WAS SKEPTICAL

OF ANYBODY TRYING TO SING

LIKE JUDY GARLAND, SHE

DOES A REMARKABLE JOB. HER

PERFORMANCE IS WHAT MAKES

THE MOVIE WORTH SEEING.

THERE'S FLASHBACKS, TOO,

OF A YOUNG JUDY GARLAND ON

THE SET OF WIZARD OF OZ,

WHICH PROVIDES INSIGHT AS

TO HOW SHE BECAME A

SUBSTANCE ABUSER, AND

CONSEQUENTLY YOU'LL NEVER

LOOK AT THAT MOVIE THE

SAME WAY AGAIN. BASICALLY

ZELLWEGER GETS ACROSS THE

PAIN AND NEEDINESS OF THE

PERSONALITY OF GARLAND,

WHO'S A TRAIN WRECK AT

THIS POINT OF HER LIFE,

AND SHE EMBODIES THE

CHARACTER. LISA, WHAT'D

YOU THINK OF THE MOVIE?

>>> I THINK... I AGREE

WITH YOU, RENEE'S

PERFORMANCE IS WONDERFUL.

IT'S NOT IMITATIVE SO MUCH

AS EMOTIONALLY AUTHENTIC.

THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH

THIS FILM: IT WAS ADAPTED

FROM A PLAY, AND THAT'S

ALWAYS A PROBLEM, YOU

KNOW, WHEN YOU TRY TO MAKE

A MOVIE FROM A PIECE OF

THEATER. IT HAS THAT KIND

OF STAGEY, CAGEY

OVERSTATEMENT OF ITS

POINT, WHICH IS NAMELY

THAT JUDY'S PROBLEMS

STEMMED FROM BEING

TREATED LIKE A PIECE OF

PROPERTY BY THE STUDIO

WHEN SHE WAS YOUNG. I

DON'T KNOW HOW MANY

FLASHBACKS WE NEEDED TO

UNDERSCORE THAT POINT.

THAT SAID, THE SCENES IN

THE PRESENT ARE WONDERFUL,

ESPECIALLY WHEN SHE'S ON

STAGE. AND THIS A SMALL

POINT, BUT THE CLOTHES ARE

TO DIE FOR.

>>> [LAUGHS]

>>> VERY NICE CLOTHES.

>>> WELL I AGREE;

I THINK THAT RENEE ZELLWEGER

MAKES THE FILM. IT'S SHE,

HER PERFORMANCE DEFINITELY

IS BETTER THAN THE FILM. I

THINK IT'S A LITTLE META

BECAUSE OF ALL THE WORK

THAT RENEE ZELLWEGER HAS

HAD DONE, WHERE SHE

DOESN'T LOOK LIKE RENEE;

SHE ACTUALLY LOOKS MORE

LIKE LIZA NOW THAN RENEE

ZELLWEGER.

>>> EH, LET'S NOT GO THERE.

>>> MMM, I'M JUST SAYING,

IT'S, IT WAS A LITTLE

DISTRACTING BUT, I

COMPLETELY FELT, I DIDN'T

FEEL I WAS WATCHING RENEE

ZELLWEGER, I THOUGHT I WAS

WATCHING JUDY GARLAND,

AND... YOU KNOW. THERE WAS

A LOT OF THINGS THEY

SKIPPED OVER, AND I HAD

QUESTIONS ABOUT.

>>> BILL?

>>> WELL I COULDN'T

DISAGREE MORE, AND I'LL

TELL YOU WHY.

>>> OKAY.

>>> I'M A HUGE FAN OF

RENEE ZELLWEGER, AND I'VE

SEEN EVERYTHING: COLD

MOUNTAIN, THE BRIDGET,

HA-EVERYTHING. JERRY

MAGUIRE. AND THERE'S JUST

TOO MUCH RENEE ZELLWEGER

IN THIS PERFORMANCE.

>>> SHE DIDN'T HAVE YOU AT

HELLO.

>>> I SEE... [LAUGHS]

>>> REALLY.

>>> I SEE A LOT OF HER

TICS, A LOT OF HER

SQUINTS, A LOT OF HER...

IT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM

THE FACT THAT THIS IS A

REALLY GOOD MOVIE AND YES,

SHE'S DOING ALL OF HER

SINGING LIVE, WHICH IS A

PRETTY AMAZING THING. IT

DOES WHAT A LOT OF RECENT

BIOPICS DOES, WHICH IT

TAKES A PERIOD IN THEIR

LIFE, WHICH IT DID WITH

STAN LAUREL AND OLIVER

HARDY, AND WE'VE SEEN WITH

MARILYN MONROE; ALL OF

THAT'S GOOD IDEA.

>>> MM-HMM.

>>> THE PROBLEM FOR ME IS

THAT A LOT OF RENEE IS IN

THAT PERFORMANCE; SHE'S

NOT JUST EMBODYING IT,

SHE'S COMING THROUGH. SO I

DISAGREE WITH THE REST OF

YOU THAT THIS IS A GREAT

PERFORMANCE ABOUT JUDY

GARLAND.

>>> WATCH. SHE'S GOING TO

GET AN OSCAR NOMINATION.

>>> OH YEAH, SHE'S GOING

TO GET AN OSCAR. OH YEAH,

SHE IS.

>>> SHE'LL BE NOMINATED-

>>> I THINK YOU'RE WRONG,

I THINK SHE'S GREAT.

>>> YEAH SHE IS.

>>> I THINK SHE'S GREAT.

>>> THERE YOU GO. WELL THE

MOVIE JUDY FOLLOWS A LONG

LINE OF BIOPICS THAT

HOLLYWOOD HAS DONE OVER

THE YEARS THAT FOCUS ON

FAMOUS MUSICAL

ENTERTAINERS. THERE ARE SO

MANY, AND WE'RE GOING TO

TALK ABOUT A WHOLE BUNCH

OF THEM. FIRST, HERE'S A

LOOK AT A FEW.

>>> IF YOU WANT ME TO DO

SOMETHING SPECIAL, I'M

GOING TO NEED MY OWN BAND.

>>> OKAY, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO

HAVE TO MAKE IT WORK, RAY.

>>> YEAH WELL I'M GOING TO

MAKE IT DO WHAT IT DO, BABY.

[LAUGHS] YEAH.

♪ [PLAYING PIANO MUSIC

♪ [SINGING] I FELL IN TO

A BURNING RING OF FIRE ♪

>>> TELL ME YOU DON'T LOVE ME.

>>> I DON'T LOVE YOU.

LIAR.

♪ [SINGING] AND THE FLAMES

WENT HIGHER ♪

>>> SAY HE WANT ME TO BE

HIS NEW SINGER!

>>> WATCH YOURSELF.

YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY

ABOUT IKE.

♪ [SINGING] DARLING.

YES TINA. I THINK IT'S GONNA

WORK OUT FINE.

IT'S GONNA WORK OUT FINE. ♪

>>> TELL HIM, MOZART. NAME US

A GERMAN VIRTUE.

>>> LOVE, SIRE.

>>> OH LOVE!

WELL, OF COURSE IN

ITALY WE KNOW NOTHING

ABOUT LOVE. [LAUGHS]

>>> NO, I DON'T THINK YOU DO.

♪ [SINGING] WE CAN ONLY LOSE

AND OUR LOVE BECOME A

FUNERAL PYRE. COME ON BABY

LIGHT MY FIRE.

>>> BILL, HIT ME WITH A

MUSIC BIOPIC THAT YOU LIKE.

>>> WELL, BEFORE GARY

BUSEY WAS CRAZY, HE WAS

BUDDY HOLLY.

>>> [LAUGHS]

>>> HE PLAYED THE

20-YEAR-OLD BUDDY HOLLY IN

THE BUDDY HOLLY-

>>> THAT'S RIGHT, BEFORE

THE MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT,

HE WAS NORMAL.

>>> YEAH, BEFORE ANY OF

THAT STUFF. AND HE'S

REALLY, REALLY EXCELLENT.

AND YOU GO BACK AND LOOK

AT THIS MOVIE, YOU REALIZE

IT REALLY WAS ALL HIM.

I MEAN IT'S A VERY

FLAT BIOPIC BY TODAY'S

STANDARDS. THERE'S NOTHING

ORIGINAL IN IT. WE'LL TALK

ABOUT SOME BETTER, MORE

ORIGINAL ONES IN A MOMENT,

BUT THIS ONE IS REALLY

ALL ABOUT GARY AND HE'S AMAZING.

>>> LISA, HIT ME WITH A

BIOPIC YOU LIKE.

>>> OH, I LOVE WALK THE

LINE. REESE WITHERSPOON

ACTUALLY WON AN OSCAR FOR

HER PORTRAYAL OF JUNE

CARTER CASH. THIS IS

ABOUT, REALLY IT'S ABOUT

HER MARRIAGE TO JOHNNY

CASH, AND IT'S JUST SUCH A

LOVELY, LOVELY SMART,

MELANCHOLY FILM.

>>> WELL JOAQUIN PHOENIX,

WHO PLAYS JOHNNY CASH IS,

IS INCREDIBLE, AND HE DOES

HIS OWN SINGING!

>>> I KNOW.

>>> HE SOUNDS LIKE JOHNNY

CASH!

>>> I KNOW.

>>> WHICH IS JUST

REMARKABLE, AND IT'S, YOU

KNOW. MIKE, GIVE ME A MOVIE.

>>> I'D HAVE TO GO WITH

RAY. RAY WAS A GREAT MOVIE

ABOUT RAY CHARLES STARRING

JAMIE FOXX PLAYING RAY

CHARLES ALL THROUGH THE

YEARS, AND IT REALLY IS A

FILM THAT SHOWS THAT

COMEDIANS CAN REALLY, A

REALLY TALENTED COMEDIAN

CAN MAKE THE TRANSITION TO

DRAMA VERY WELL.

>>> BUT I'LL TELL YOU

THAT, I INTERVIEWED JAMIE

FOXX FOR THAT JUNKET FOR

RAY, AND HE TAPED HIS

EYELIDS DOWN. HE GOES,

"IF I'M GOING TO BE RAY

CHARLES, I DON'T WANT TO,

I WANT TO, I WANT TO FEEL

LIKE RAY CHARLES; I DON'T

WANT TO SEE WHILE I MAKE

THE MOVIE." SO HE JUST

WHA-, HE, HE WHAT, HE

BECAME RAY CHARLES, AND HE

DOES, HE, IT'S A TREMENDOUS-

>>> SO MANY PEOPLE THINK

THAT'S FORMULAIC, AND I

SAY, WHEN FORMULA WORKS,

IT WORKS GREAT; AND RAY IS

A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT.

>>> YEAH, HE DESERVED THE

OSCAR FOR THAT.

>>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

>>> OKAY, I'M GOING TO GO

WITH TWO FILMS, A DOUBLE

FEATURE ON COUNTRY MUSIC.

WE'RE GOING TO GO FIRST

WITH COAL MINER'S

DAUGHTER, WHICH SISSY

SPACEK WON AN OSCAR FOR

PLAYING COUNTRY LEGEND

LORETTA LYNN, AND IT'S

ABOUT TOMMY LEE JONES IS

HER CHEATING ALCOHOLIC

HUSBAND, AND IT'S ABOUT

HER RISE FROM POVERTY TO

SUPER STARDOM. AND YOU

COULD TAIL THAT WITH SWEET

DREAMS, WHICH IS JESSICA

LANGE PLAYING COUNTRY

MUSIC ICON, I LOVE PATSY CLINE.

>>> OH, I LOVE HER!

>>> PATSY CLINE. AND SHE

WAS THE FIRST WOMAN

INDUCTED INTO THE COUNTRY

MUSIC HALL OF FAME; SHE

DIED TRAGICALLY IN A PLANE

CRASH, AND SHE GAVE US

SUCH GREAT SONGS AS CRAZY,

AND, YOU KNOW, WALKING

AFTER MIDNIGHT, AND JUST,

SHE WAS TERRIFIC.

♪ [SINGING] CRAZY...

I'M CRAZY FOR FEELING SO LONELY.

I'M CRAZY...

>>> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD TEMPO,

LET'S GRAB THAT ONE.

SOMEBODY BRING ME A BEER.

>>> OKAY, GIVE ME A MOVIE, BILL.

>>> WELL, WE, S-WE SAID WE

WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT

SOME OFF-BEAT ONES, AND

THIS ONE IS... TOP OF THE

LIST FOR ME. LOVE AND

MERCY WAS ONE OF MY

FAVORITE FILMS A COUPLE OF

YEARS AGO, BECAUSE IT GETS

INTO BRIAN WILSON'S HEAD;

ACTUALLY, TWO HEADS: PAUL

DANO AND JOHN CUSACK, TO

REVEAL A PERFECTIONIST AND

A GENIUS. I HIGHLY

RECOMMEND THIS ONE.

>>> WHAT AN OVERRATED

LITTLE SLOG OF A FILM.

>>> NO, NO.

>>> NO, IT'S GREAT. GIVE

ME A MOVIE, LISA.

>>> I LOVE WHAT'S LOVE GOT

TO DO WITH IT. I THINK...

>>> HEY.

>>> ANGELA BASSETT MAY BE

THE ONLY PERSON AROUND-

>>> [LAUGHS] IKE?

>>> ... WHO COULD SUMMON

THE VOLTAGE AND THE

SELF-POSSESSION TO PLAY

TINA TURNER, AND IT'S

REALLY HER PERFORMANCE AS

WELL AS LAURENCE FISHBURNE

AS IKE, THAT DOES ANCHOR

THIS. I AGREE, IT'S A

PRETTY STANDARD BIOPIC,

BUT THEIR PERFORMANCES ARE

OUT OF SIGHT.

>>> MIKE?

>>> I PROBABLY WOULD GO

WITH STRAIGHT OUTTA

COMPTON. THAT WAS ONE OF

THOSE FILMS THAT CAME...

OUT OF NOWHERE. AND REALLY

PUT F. GARY GRAY BACK ON

THE MAP, AND SHOWED WHAT A

GREAT ACTOR, GREAT DIRECTOR

HE IS. AND INTERESTINGLY

ENOUGH WAS WRITTEN BY

ANDREA BERLOFF, WHO JUST

DID THE KITCHEN, WHICH

TANKED. SO IT'S AN

INTERESTING, THAT SHE

WOULD WRITE SOMETHING LIKE

THIS. I THINK IT WAS

REALLY, SURPRISINGLY GOOD.

>>> AND YOU ALSO... WE

WERE TALKING ABOUT AMADEUS

BEFORE WE WENT ON THE AIR.

>>> I DID, AMADEUS.

AMADEUS IS A GREAT FILM,

IT'S SORT OF A CLASSIC,

LIKE, THEY DON'T DO A LOT

OF BIOPICS ON CLASSICAL

COMPOSERS, AND I STILL

QUOTE AMADEUS TO THIS DAY.

>>> AND THAT WAS A PLAY.

YOU SAID EARLIER MOST

PLAYS DON'T MAKE THE

TRANSITION WELL, BUT

AMADEUS REALLY, REALLY DID.

>>> YEAH. NO, THIS ONE'S GOOD.

>>> BUT THIS ONE, MILOS

FORMAN DIRECTED IT,

HE'S AMAZING.

>>> I LOVE THAT S-, I

ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT SCENE

IN AMADEUS WHEN SALIERI'S

TOILS FOR MONTHS ON HIS

COMPOSITION PLAYS IT FOR LIKE...

>>> HE COMES IN... [LAUGHS]

>>> OH YEAH, AND, AND

MOZART COMES IN, YOU KNOW,

PLAYED BY TOM HULCE, AND

WITHIN LIKE 20 SECONDS HE

MAKES THE THING LIKE 100

TIMES BETTER.

>>> SO GOOD! SO GOOD.

>>> I JUST LOVE THE CAREER

OF TOM HULCE. ANIMAL HOUSE

AND THIS, AND THEN HE

QUITS. THAT'S, THAT'S HIS

WHOLE THING.

>>> YEAH.

>>> BEHIND THE CANDELABRA,

WHICH WAS DIRECTED BY

STEVEN SODERBERGH WHERE

MICHAEL DOUGLAS PLAYS

LIBERACE AND MATT DAMON

PLAYS HIS LOVER. AND IT'S

SUCH AN AMAZING FILM IN

THE SENSE THAT FIRST OF

ALL IT'S THE '60S AND THE

'70S, HE'S PLAYING VEGAS

AND THE LITTLE OLD LADIES

HERE, THEY HAVE NO IDEA

THAT HE'S GAY, BUT THE GUY

EVEN, LIKE, MAKES HIS

LOVER MATT DAMON GET

PLASTIC SURGERY TO

RESEMBLE HIM MORE, SO IN

ESSENCE, HE, TALK ABOUT, LIKE,

BEING SELF-INVOLVED SO HE CAN

MAKE LOVE TO HIMSELF? IT'S

CRAZY.

>>> NOW, JACK, I WANT TO

TALK TO YOU ABOUT DOING

SOME SURGERY ON SCOTT

HERE. WHAT? FINE. WHAT

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DO

WITH SCOTT?

>>> I WANT YOU TO

MAKE SCOTT LOOK LIKE THIS.

CAN YOU DO THAT?

>>> OH I SEE. OH YES, I THINK I

CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT.

>>> WELL, IF YOU CAN GIVE

REMI MALEK AN OSCAR FOR

BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY, WHY

CAN'T VAL KILMER GO BACK

IN TIME AND GET ONE FOR

THE DOORS? THIS IS OLIVER

STONE'S MOST COHERENT,

MOST STRAIGHTFORWARD-

>>> IT IS.

>>> ... NARRATIVE, AND I

LOVE THAT FILM.

>>> YEAH.

>>> AND SINCE WE'RE

TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE

BIOPICS, THE GREAT PARODY

ON THESE BIOPICS IS WALK

HARD, THE DEWEY COX STORY.

>>> YES!

>>> WHERE JOHN C. REILLY

PLAYS JOHNNY CASH, IT'S

JUST... JUDD APATOW AND

JAKE KASDAN CO-WROTE IT,

AND IT'S SO CLEVER AND

FUNNY AND HIS SONG

PARODIES AND THE DOUBLE

ENTENDRE, JUST REALLY...

AFTER WE WERE TALKING

ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS,

THAT ONE'S GREAT. ANYWAY, THAT'S

A LOOK AT SOME MUSIC BIOPICS.

NOW THERE'S SOME

MORE NEW MOVIES TO

TELL YOU ABOUT. LET'S

START WITH THE LATEST FROM

ACCLAIMED FILMMAKER PEDRO

ALMOD ÓVAR CALLED PAIN AND

GLORY. LISA.

>>> THIS IS, YES, THE

LATEST, AND POSSIBLY THE

MOST AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL FILM

BY PEDRO ALMOD ÓVAR. IT

REUNITES HIM WITH ANTONIO

BANDERAS, WHO ALWAYS, I

THINK, DELIVERS HIS BEST

WORK FOR THIS SPANISH

DIRECTOR, AND IN THIS

MOVIE HE PLAYS A GAY

DIRECTOR WHO'S RIDDLED

WITH PHYSICAL AILMENTS,

AND REGRET, AND HE'S

TRYING TO MAKE PEACE WITH

HIS PAST WHILE ALSO, I

DON'T KNOW, BECOMING A

HEROIN ADDICT. IT SOUNDS

UNLIKELY, BUT THIS IS AN

ALMOD ÓVAR FILM. AND IT'S

ALSO IRONICALLY ONE OF HIS

MOST RESTRAINED AND

REFLECTIVE FILMS. THAT

SAID, IT IS, OF COURSE,

SHOT AGAINST A BACKDROP OF

WILDLY ENERGIZING AND

BEAUTIFUL COLOR, WHICH IS

ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE

MOST ABOUT HIS MOVIES. AND

PENELOPE CRUZ SHOWS UP AS

HIS MOM IN YOUNGER YEARS.

>>> WHAT A STUNNER! SHE'S

NEVER IN ANY OF HIS MOVIES.

>>> NOR IS ANTONIO

BANDERAS, IF WE'RE GOING

TO GET SARCASTIC ON-

>>> YEAH, I KNOW, BUT

THEY'RE BOTH SO WONDERFUL.

>>> YEAH. GO AHEAD MIKE.

>>> THEY ARE. WELL, NO,

I AGREE WITH YOU. AND I

THINK WHAT ALMOD ÓVAR DOES

IS HE JUST KIND OF CASTS A

SPELL.

>>> MM-HMM.

>>> AT A CERTAIN POINT

YOU'RE WATCHING THE MOVIE,

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHERE

HE'S GOING TO GO, BECAUSE

HE'S JUST GOT YOU IN HIS

GRIP; AND, AND I JUST

REALLY ENJOY IT. LIKE

YOU'RE IN THE HANDS OF-

>>> IT SEEMS LIKE THE

MOVIE HE'S ALWAYS WANTED

TO MAKE TOO.

IT'S MALE-CENTRIC, AS OPPOSED

TO SO MANY ARE

FEMALE-CENTRIC, AND THIS

IS ABOUT HIM, BASICALLY.

AND SO, FOR THAT REASON I

THINK EVERYONE SHOULD SEE IT.

>>> YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT

BE HIS BEST FILM, I MEAN-

>>> SO BEAUTIFUL.

>>> YOU KNOW, YOU

CERTAINLY I MEAN YOU CARE

DEEPLY FOR THIS CHARACTER

THAT ANTONIO BANDERAS IS

PLAYING, BECAUSE HE'S SO

RIDDLED WITH PHYSICAL

AILMENTS THAT HE CAN'T DO

THE THING THAT HE WANTS TO

DO THE MOST IN LIFE, THE

ONLY THING THAT MAKES HIM

HAPPY, WHICH IS MAKING

MOVIES; AND I THINK IT'S

PROBABLY BANDERAS'S MOST-

>>> WONDERFUL PERFORMANCE.

>>> ... DEEPLY, DEEP,

DEEPLY LAYERED

PERFORMANCE. AND THE FILM

IS SHOT, IT'S BEAUTIFUL TO

LOOK AT, ESPECIALLY IN

THOSE FLASHBACK SCENES

WITH PENELOPE CRUZ.

ALL RIGHT, THERE'S A

NEW DOCUMENTARY CALLED

WHERE'S MY ROY COHN. MIKE.

>>> WHERE'S MY ROY COHN

IS, IS, A BOTH FASCINATING

AND DISTURBING

DOCUMENTARY. IT'S ABOUT

THIS MAN WHO KIND OF

PULLED THE STRINGS AND WAS

KIND OF A MACHIAVELLI FOR

A NUMBER OF, LET'S JUST

SAY PEOPLE WE DON'T LIKE.

>>> [LAUGHS]

>>> INCLUDING A CERTAIN

YOUNG REAL ESTATE LAWYER

BACK IN THE '70S. AND HIS

EDICT-

>>> CALLED, CALLED...

>>> CALLED DONALD TRUMP.

>>> DONALD TRUMP.

>>> AND HIS EDICT WAS,

"NEVER BACK DOWN; NEVER

SURRENDER." AND CLEARLY,

THIS HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY

TRUMP AND MANY OTHER

PEOPLE. HE WORKED WITH

SENATOR JOE MCCARTHY, HE

WAS AN ANTI-COMMUNIST;

IT'S JUST A FASCINATING

DOCUMENTARY. BUT ALSO

FASCINATING TO KNOW JUST

HOW THINGS ACTUALLY GET

RUN IN THIS GOVERNMENT.

>>> I THINK THIS FILM

MAKES A FASCINATING AND

VERY CONVINCING CASE FOR

HOW... ROY'S SORT OF

SINISTER, STRING-PULLING

SOCIOPATHY, WHICH IS BASED

ON BALD AND GRANDIOSE

LIES, AND HIS TOTALLY

EMPTY CLAIMS OF

PATRIOTISM, SET US UP FOR

THE POLITICAL REGIME

THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

>>> [LAUGHS]

>>> THE WAY THAT HE

CONNECTS JOSEPH MCCARTHY

ALL THE WAY TO TRUMP, IT'S

BONE-CHILLING. AND I MEAN,

JUST THE FACT THAT THE,

LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW THE

FILM TAKES ITS TITLE FROM

A TRUMP OUTBURST IN WHICH

HE REPORTEDLY, BASICALLY

HE'S SAYING THIS, "WHERE'S

MY ROY COHN?" ABOUT THE

FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL

JEFF SESSIONS. I MEAN,

WOW, THIS DOCUMENTARY!

>>> YEAH. I LIKE THIS

DOCUMENTARY A LOT.

>>> IT'S GREAT.

>>> THERE'S A TREMENDOUS

AMOUNT OF FOUND FOOTAGE,

HE WAS, HE SAT DOWN WITH

MIKE WALLACE, HE SITS DOWN

WITH- HE, HE SAYS IN FACT,

THAT HE HAS NO COMPASSION;

HE ADMITS TO THAT.

>>> HE ADMITS TO IT!

>>> THIS IS-

>>> RIGHT.

>>> THIS IS THE GUY WE

KNOW FROM STUDIO 54-

>>> RIGHT.

>>> ... FROM HANDLING

THOSE GUYS WHEN THEY WERE

HAVING LEGAL TROUBLES.

>>> AND THE MOB.

>>> HE'S BEEN IN, WITH,

HE'D BEEN MOBBED UP

FOREVER. IF ANYTHING, IT

DOESN'T MAKE ENOUGH OF A

CASE ABOUT THE, IT, IT

LAYS OUT THE TRUMP STUFF,

BUT IT NEVER GOES AFTER

TRUMP HIMSELF. I WOULD

LOVE FOR HIM TO HAVE TRIED

TO SAY, "I TRIED TO GET

DONALD TRUMP TO SIT DOWN

WITH ME, OR ANY OF THE

TRUMP PEOPLE THAT ARE

ASSOCIATED WITH HIM." BUT

THAT ASIDE, THIS IS A

GREAT, GREAT FILM.

>>> WOW.

>>> BUT THE, THAT'S THE

MOST INTERESTING THING

ABOUT THE FILM, IS THE

CONNECTION TO TRUMP, AND

HOW EVEN IN THE FIRST

TWO-THIRDS OF THE FILM,

TRUMP ISN'T MENTIONED; YOU

KNOW IT'S THERE.

>>> RIGHT.

>>> AND I MEAN, AND

EVERYTHING THAT TRUMP IS

DOING, IT'S RIPPED FROM,

HE'S, IT'S A, AS YOU SAID MIKE-

>>> FROM THE HANDBOOK.

>>> IT'S, HE'S THE,

TRUMP'S THE PROT ÉG OF ROY

COHN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S

RIPPED FROM HIS PLAYBOOK.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, NEVER

ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG; WHEN

YOU'RE FOUND GUILTY OF

SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE

BLATANTLY WRONG-

>>> YEAH, OF COURSE.

>>> ALL PUBLICITY, BAD

PUBLICITY'S GOOD PUBLICITY.

>>> THE FAKE PATRIOTISM,

THE WHOLE THING.

>>> I MEAN ON AND ON AND ON.

>>> ANYTHING BAD THAT

HAPPENED TO THIS GUY BACK

FROM THE-

>>> BREAK ALL THE RULES.

>>> BACK TO THE VERY FIRST

TIME HE WAS ON TELEVISION

AND ACTUALLY LOST THAT

FIRST MAJOR, MAJOR CASE,

HE TURNED INTO A POSITIVE,

WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT

DONALD TRUMP...

>>> LOOK, THIS GUY ENABLED

SUCH ILLUSTRIOUS FIGURES

HERE, AS LISTEN TO THIS

LIST: JOE MCCARTHY,

RICHARD NIXON, JOHN GOTTI,

AND DONALD TRUMP. AND WHEN

YOU WATCH THIS, YOU SAY TO

YOURSELF, "IMAGINE HOW

AMERICA AND THE WORLD

WOULD'VE BEEN HAD YOU

KNOW, HAD ROY COHN NOT BEEN-"

>>> OH HOW ABOUT THIS,

IMAGINE ROY COHN WITH

SOCIAL MEDIA. THAT

WOULD'VE BEEN A NIGHTMARE.

>>> [LAUGHS]

>>> RIGHT.

>>> [LAUGHS]

>>> ALL RIGHT. THERE'S A

NEW COMEDY THAT'S IN

THEATERS AND ALSO

STREAMING ON DEMAND, IT'S

CALLED CORPORATE ANIMALS.

>>> BRANDON'S A HUMAN

BEING! HE HAS A FAMILY AND

FRIENDS AND FEELINGS! I

MEAN I KNOW THAT THIS IS A

DESPERATE SITUATION, BUT

IF WE LOSE OUR HUMANITY...

WE'VE LOST EVERYTHING.

>>> LET'S TAKE A VOTE.

WHO'S IN FOR EATING BRANDON?

>>> WAIT, WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON?

>>> SERIOUSLY?

>>> BILL.

>>> AH, WELL, YOU KNOW.

>>> [LAUGHS]

>>> THIS STARS DEMI MOORE

AS THE CEO OF AN EDIBLE

FORK COMPANY WHO TAKES HER

STAFF ON A TEAM-

>>> ED-EDIBLE CUTLERY, MY

FRIEND, IT'S NOT JUST FORKS.

>>> YEAH, IT'S SPOONS AND

KNIVES.

>>> YEAH, THE PREMIERE.

>>> PUT A, PUT A FORK IN

THIS MOVIE, BECAUSE IT'S

DONE. ... THIS IS THEY GO

ON AWAY ON A TEAM BUILDING

WEEKEND, AND THEY GET

STUCK IN A CAVE. ED HELMS

AND JESSICA WILLIAMS

CO-STAR. I'M GIVING

NOTHING AWAY WHEN I SAY

THIS TURNS VERY, VERY BAD

FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED.

AND CANNIBALISM

IS, IS TRADED FOR COMEDY

HERE. AND YOU KNOW IT'S

REALLY HARD TO BELIEVE

WHEN DEMI MOORE HAS MADE

SUCH GREAT COMEDIES AS

GI JANE, MARGIN CALL,

INDECENT PROPOSAL,

ST. ELMO'S FIRE, AND

STRIPTEASE THAT SHE COULDN'T

PULL OFF COMEDY HERE.

>>> NO, EXACTLY! I HAVE

REALLY COME TO LEARN THAT

WHEN DEMI MOORE IS IN A

CAST, THE FILM IS GOING TO

BE A CLUNKER. AND THIS

MOVIE, WHICH AT 89

MINUTES, SEEMS LIKE IT-

>>> 84!

>>> 80, OKAY, 84 MILLION-

>>> YOU STAYED FOR THE

CREDITS!

>>> NO YOU GOT 80, 86. 86.

>>> RIGHT, IT, IT FEELS

LIKE 84 THOUSAND BILLION

MINUTES, OH MY GOD.

>>> RIGHT. YEAH, I WAS...

YEAH, YOU KNOW THEY'RE

TRAPPED IN A CAVE FOR 80,

86 MINUTES, I FELT LIKE I

WAS TRAPPED IN THE MOVIE

THEATER. MY WIFE AND I

WATCHED THIS FILM

AND ACTUALLY, SHE

TURNED TO ME IN THE MOVIE

AND GOES, "HOW DOES MOVIE

LIKE THIS EVEN GET MADE?"

>>> DEMI MOORE!

>>> I MEAN, GET GREEN LIT.

IT'S NOT FUNNY-

>>> IT'S ED HELMS! ED

HELMS SHOULD KNOW BETTER.

>>> IT'S NOT DIRECTED

WELL, AND...

>>> ED HELMS PRODUCED THIS

FILM.

>>> YEAH, WHAT'S HE THINKING?

>>> HE'S LISTED AS A PRODUCER.

>>> AND... GO AHEAD.

>>> WELL I WAS JUST GOING

TO SAY, WHAT'S BIZARRE IS

YOU GO, "OKAY, WHAT WOULD

YOU CLASSIFY THIS FILM?

IT'S LISTED AS A HORROR

COMEDY."

>>> [LAUGHS]

>>> NOW, IT COULD BE

CALLED A HORRIBLE COMEDY,

BUT IT-IT'S SO BIZARRELY

UNFUNNY THAT YOU JUST SIT

THERE-

>>> I'M WITH YOU.

>>> ... YOU, IT'S SORT OF

LIKE, YOU DON'T REALLY

WATCH IT SO MUCH AS LIKE,

YOU, IT'S LIKE RUBBERNECKING.

YOU CAN'T REALLY

BELIEVE YOU'RE WATCHING.

>>> NOTHING IS FUNNY IN

THIS FILM AND IT SHOWS YOU

HOW DEMI, AS YOU SAID,

DEMI MOORE'S STAR HAS

FALLEN, THAT SHE'S

ACTUALLY TAKEN A PIECE OF

JUNK LIKE THIS INTO-

>>> BUT SHE'S ALWAYS BAD.

THE THING IS, IT'S SO FUN,

UNFUNNY, IT'S NOT EVEN

FUNNILY UNFUNNY.

>>> YEAH. WELL, THAT'S IT,

WE'RE OUT OF TIME! THAT'S

ABOUT IT!

>>> THIS IS ALL!

>>> WANT TO THANK MY

PANEL, BILL MCCUDDY, LISA

ROSMAN, MIKE SARGENT; I'M

NEIL ROSEN. JOIN US NEXT

TIME ON TALKING PICTURES.

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