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January 9, 2022 - PBS NewsHour Weekend full episode

On this edition for Sunday, January 9, Russia and the United States hold direct talks on Monday with Ukraine at the top of the agenda, how a guaranteed monthly check is helping Black mothers in Mississippi, and punk rock legend Kathleen Hanna inspires a new generation of musicians and feminists. Hari Sreenivasan anchors from New York.

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>> Sreenivasan: ON THIS EDITION

FOR SUNDAY, JANUARY 9: UKRAINE

TOPS THE AGENDA FOR TOMORROW'S

DIRECT TALKS BETWEEN THE UNITED

STATES AND RUSSIA.

HOW A GUARANTEED MONTHLY CHECK

MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE FOR BLACK

MOTHERS IN MISSISSIPPI.

AND PUNK ROCK LEGEND KATHLEEN

HANNA INSPIRES A NEW GENERATION

OF MUSICIANS AND FEMINISTS.

♪ ♪ ♪

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>> Sreenivasan: GOOD EVENING AND

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS

DOWNPLAYING EXPECTATIONS FOR ITS

SECURITY TALKS WITH RUSSIA THAT

BEGIN TOMORROW IN GENEVA.

TOPPING THE AGENDA FOR THE

BILATERAL MEETING IS THE BUILDUP

OF RUSSIAN FORCES NEAR THE

BORDER WITH UKRAINE.

IN INTERVIEWS TODAY, SECRETARY

OF STATE ANTONY BLINKEN SAID

THAT HE DID NOT EXPECT ANY

BREAKTHROUGHS, AND CALLED FOR

DE-ESCALATION.

>> WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO

THEIR CONCERNS.

THEY'LL LISTEN TO OUR CONCERNS,

AND WE'LL SEE IF THERE ARE

GROUNDS FOR PROGRESS.

BUT, TO MAKE ACTUAL PROGRESS,

IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE THAT

HAPPENING WHEN THERE'S AN

ONGOING ESCALATION, WHEN RUSSIA

HAS A GUN TO THE HEAD OF UKRAINE

WITH 100,000 TROOPS NEAR ITS

BORDERS, THE POSSIBILITY OF

DOUBLING THAT ON VERY SHORT

ORDER.

>> Sreenivasan: WHILE U.S.

OFFICIALS SAY THEY ARE WILLING

TO MAKE SOME CONCESSIONS,

INCLUDING LIMITING OFFENSIVE

ROCKETS IN UKRAINE, THEY ARE

ALSO WARNING THAT RUSSIA WOULD

FACE SEVERE SANCTIONS IF IT

INTERVENES IN UKRAINE.

RUSSIA IS SEEKING SECURITY

GUARANTEES THAT THE U.S. AND THE

NATO ALLIANCE WILL NOT EXPAND

EASTWARD, LEAVING UKRAINE AND

OTHER FORMER SOVIET STATES UNDER

RUSSIA'S SPHERE OF INFLUENCE.

DEPUTY SECRETARY OF STATE WENDY

SHERMAN IS SCHEDULED TO MEET FOR

A WORKING DINNER WITH HER

RUSSIAN COUNTERPART TONIGHT,

FOLLOWED BY FORMAL TALKS

STARTING TOMORROW.

THE TALKS THIS WEEK BETWEEN THE

U.S. AND RUSSIA HAVE ANOTHER

WRINKLE: THE ONGOING INSTABILITY

IN KAZAKHSTAN.

FOR A WEEK, DEADLY PROTESTS IN

THIS FORMER SOVIET STATE HAVE

CHALLENGED THE REGIME THAT HAS

LED THE COUNTRY SINCE

INDEPENDENCE IN 1991.

AT THE REQUEST OF THE COUNTRY'S

PRESIDENT, ABOUT 2,500 MOSTLY

RUSSIAN TROOPS ARE NOW DEPLOYED

IN KAZAKHSTAN AS PART OF A POST-

SOVIET ALLIANCE.

KAZAKHSTAN'S GOVERNMENT SAID

TODAY ORDER WAS RESTORED, AND

THE HEALTH MINISTRY REPORTED

THAT AT LEAST 164 PEOPLE WERE

KILLED IN THE PROTESTS- FAR

MORE THAN THE DEATH TOLL OF 16

SECURITY FORCES AND 26 CIVILIANS

PREVIOUSLY ANNOUNCED.

IRAQ'S NEW PARLIAMENT MET TODAY

FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE THE

COUNTRY HELD A CONTESTED GENERAL

ELECTION THREE MONTHS AGO.

SHIITE LEADER MUQTADA AL-SADR

CONTROLS THE LARGEST BLOC IN THE

NEW PARLIAMENT, BUT EVEN THAT IS

BEING CONTESTED.

THERE WERE DISRUPTIONS DURING

TODAY'S SESSION, BUT

PARLIAMENT'S SPEAKER WAS

RE-ELECTED FOR A SECOND TERM.

IRAQ'S CONSTITUTION REQUIRES

LAWMAKERS TO CHOOSE A NEW

PRESIDENT WHO THEN HAS 15 DAYS

TO APPOINT A NEW PRIME MINISTER

NOMINATED BY PARLIAMENT.

IN CHINA TODAY, HEALTHCARE

WORKERS BEGAN MASS TESTING OF

14 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF

TIANJIN AFTER DETECTING A

CLUSTER OF CORONAVIRUS

INFECTIONS.

STATE TV SHOWED RESIDENTS LINING

UP AFTER OFFICIALS REPORTED 20

PEOPLE TESTED POSITIVE FOR

COVID-19, INCLUDING AT LEAST TWO

WITH THE OMICRON VARIANT.

CHINA IS STEPPING UP ITS ZERO

TOLERANCE POLICY IN ADVANCE OF

THE FEBRUARY 4 START OF THE

WINTER OLYMPICS IN BEIJING.

SEVERAL CITIES ARE UNDER

LOCKDOWN ORDERS, AND SCHOOLS ARE

CLOSING IN SOME DISTRICTS.

WISCONSIN REPUBLICAN SENATOR RON

JOHNSON SAID TODAY HE WILL RUN

FOR REELECTION, BREAKING HIS

PROMISE NOT TO SEEK A THIRD

TERM.

JOHNSON IS ONE OF FORMER

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP'S

STAUNCHEST SUPPORTERS.

HE HAS DOWNPLAYED THE VIOLENCE

IN THE DEADLY JANUARY 6 ATTACK

ON THE CAPITOL AND PROMOTED

CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

JOHNSON CONTRACTED COVID IN

2020, BUT IS NOT VACCINATED AND

RECENTLY QUESTIONED VACCINE

SCIENCE.

IN NEW YORK CITY TODAY, ONE OF

THE DEADLIEST HIGH RISE FIRES IN

RECENT MEMORY.

AT LEAST 19 PEOPLE, INCLUDING

NINE CHILDREN, DIED WHEN A BLAZE

SWEPT THROUGH A 19 STORY

APARTMENT BUILDING IN THE BRONX

TODAY.

AT LEAST 60 PEOPLE WERE INJURED,

INCLUDING 32 HOSPITALIZED WITH

LIFE-THREATENING INJURIES.

>> THE IMPACT OF THIS FIRE IS

REALLY GOING TO BRING A LEVEL OF

JUST PAIN AND DESPAIR IN OUR

CITY.

THE NUMBERS ARE HORRIFIC.

>> Sreenivasan: AS OF LATE THIS

AFTERNOON THE CAUSE WAS STILL

UNDER INVESTIGATION.

FOR MORE NATIONAL AND

INTERNATIONAL NEWS, VISIT

pbs.org/newshour.

>> Sreenivasan: AS OF 2020,

ABOUT 30% OF FAMILIES IN THE

U.S. HEADED BY BLACK MOTHERS

LIVED IN POVERTY.

THAT'S MORE THAN TWO AND HALF

TIMES THE NATIONAL RATE.

IN JACKSON, MISSISSIPPI, A

GUARANTEED INCOME PROGRAM IS

TRYING TO HELP BLACK MOTHERS

LIFT THEMSELVES OUT OF POVERTY.

GUARANTEED INCOME PROVIDES

PEOPLE WITH A STIPEND, USUALLY

BETWEEN $500 AND $1,000 A MONTH,

WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED.

SOME PRAISE IT AS AN ECONOMIC

LIFELINE, OTHERS CRITICIZE IT AS

AN EXPENSIVE HANDOUT.

NEWSHOUR WEEKEND'S ZACHARY

GREEN, WHO HAS BEEN COVERING

GUARANTEED INCOME PROGRAMS FOR

THE PAST YEAR, VISITED JACKSON

TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE PROGRAM,

WHICH IS ALSO THE SUBJECT OF A

NEW DOCUMENTARY THAT PREMIERED

LAST MONTH CALLED "INHERENT

GOOD."

THIS STORY IS PART OF OUR

ONGOING SERIES "CHASING THE

DREAM: POVERTY, OPPORTUNITY AND

JUSTICE IN AMERICA."

>> Reporter: SINCE 2013, AISHA

NYANDORO'S NONPROFIT

ORGANIZATION, "SPRINGBOARD TO

OPPORTUNITIES," HAS WORKED TO

HELP FAMILIES IN JACKSON,

MISSISSIPPI, LIVING IN

SUBSIDIZED HOUSING.

>> THE WOMEN THAT WE WORK WITH

ON AVERAGE MAKE $11,000

ANNUALLY, AND THAT'S WORKING

FULL TIME.

WE WERE DOING EVERYTHING FROM

AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS, WORKFORCE

DEVELOPMENT, AND TRAINING

PROGRAMS.

FOOD PANTRIES ON SITE,

HEALTHCARE CLINICS ON SITE IN A

COUPLE OF OUR COMMUNITIES.

AND W-- REALLY WAS ABOUT

ECONOMIC MOBILITY AND THRIVING.

>> Reporter: BUT IN 2017, SHE

HAD A PROBLEM.

NYANDORO FEARED THAT THE GROUP'S

EFFORTS WEREN'T HAVING ENOUGH OF

AN EFFECT ON THE LIVES OF POOR

FAMILIES IN JACKSON.

>> WE WERE NOT SEEING A

SUCCESSFUL TRANSITION OUT OF

AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE WERE NOT MOVING THE NEEDLE ON

POVERTY.

AND THE REASON THAT THAT

MATTERED TO US IS BECAUSE SO

MANY OF OUR FAMILIES, WHEN THEY

T-- WHEN WE ASKED THEM WHAT IT

IS THAT YOU WANT FOR YOURSELF,

FOR YOUR FAMILY, WHAT ARE YOUR

GOALS, THEY TALK ABOUT HOME

OWNERSHIP.

THEY TALK ABOUT LIVING IN MARKET

RATE HOUSING.

AND WE WERE SEEING THAT WE

WEREN'T ACTUALLY HELPING

FAMILIES ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS.

>> Reporter: NYANDORO ASKED THE

FAMILIES DIRECTLY WHAT THEY

THOUGHT WAS MISSING.

>> OUR FAMILIES TOLD US A MYRIAD

OF STORIES, BUT EVERY STORY THAT

WE HEARD COULD BE ADDRESSED WITH

CASH.

I PULLED TOGETHER A ROUNDTABLE

OF MOMS AND I JUST SAID, "OKAY,

JUST HELP ME DREAM ABOUT WHAT

THIS COULD POTENTIALLY BE."

>> Reporter: THE DISCUSSION THAT

FOLLOWED LED TO THE CREATION OF

THE MAGNOLIA MOTHER'S TRUST, THE

FIRST PRIVATELY-RUN GUARANTEED

INCOME PROGRAM IN THE COUNTRY.

THE PROGRAM LAUNCHED IN 2018

WITH $300,000 IN FUNDING FROM

THE NONPROFIT ECONOMIC SECURITY

PROJECT AND A PRIVATE DONOR.

IT DISTRIBUTED $1,000 A MONTH

FOR ONE YEAR TO 20 WORKING BLACK

MOTHERS LIVING IN SUBSIDIZED

HOUSING.

THE RECIPIENTS, CHOSEN BY

LOTTERY, WERE FREE TO USE THE

MONEY IN WHATEVER WAY THEY SAW

FIT.

ONE OF THE FIRST WAS 31-YEAR-OLD

CAJANIA BROWN, A MOTHER OF THREE

WHO WAS THEN WORKING PART TIME

AS A SUPERMARKET CASHIER.

>> I WAS PREGNANT AT THE TIME

AND-- I KEPT PASSIN' OUT AT WORK

'CAUSE I HAD VERTIGO, AND-- GOT

COULDN'T WORK ANYMORE.

SO, I GO, "OKAY, WELL, THIS CAME

JUST IN TIME."

>> Reporter: BROWN USED THE

EXTRA $1,000 A MONTH TO PAY FOR

ESSENTIALS, AS WELL AS TAKE TIME

OFF TO BE WITH HER KIDS.

>> I GOT INTO A NEW BED, I GOT

MY CAR FIXED, JUST-- CLOTHES FOR

THE KIDS.

I'D TAKE MY KIDS ON TRIPS.

WE WENT TO THE ZOO.

WE WENT OUT TO EAT.

>> Reporter: THE MONEY ALSO

HELPED HER MOVE TO A LARGER

APARTMENT FOR HER GROWING FAMILY

AND RAISE HER CREDIT SCORE BY

MAKING AND PAYING OFF CREDIT

CARD PURCHASES.

IN ADDITION, MAGNOLIA MOTHER'S

TRUST PROVIDED HER WITH

COUNSELING ON TOPICS LIKE HOME

OWNERSHIP.

>> AT THE TIME, I DIDN'T KNOW

CREDIT WAS THAT IMPORTANT.

LIKE, I KNEW A LITTLE THINGS

ABOUT CREDIT, AND WHAT WE'D NEED

TO MAKE TO GET A HOUSE IN

JACKSON.

I KNEW THE SIMPLE THINGS, BUT

YOU KNOW, THEY WAS-- TAUGHT US A

LOT.

>> Reporter: MAGNOLIA MOTHER'S

TRUST IS NOW SERVING ITS THIRD

GROUP OF GUARANTEED INCOME

RECIPIENTS.

SO, YOU SAID YOU STARTED WITH 20

MOMS IN THE FIRST COHORT.

HOW MANY MOMS ARE IN THE CURRENT

COHORT THAT YOU'RE SERVING?

>> 100.

>> Reporter: 100 MOMS.

>> LAST YEAR WE HAD 110.

NEXT YEAR WE'LL HAVE AT LEAST

100.

SO, IT'S LIKE WE STARTED FROM

THE BOTTOM, NOW WE'RE HERE.

IT FEELS REALLY GOOD.

>> Reporter: THE PROGRAM IS NOW

FULLY FUNDED BY PRIVATE DONORS

FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY.

ONE OF THE CURRENT RECIPIENTS IS

ASHLEY DAWSON, A 30-YEAR-OLD

MOTHER OF FIVE WHO WORKS AS A

CAMPUS ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AT

CHASTAIN MIDDLE SCHOOL IN

JACKSON.

SHE FOUND OUT SHE HAD BEEN

CHOSEN FOR THE PROGRAM IN AN

EMAIL LAST APRIL.

>> AND I JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE

IT.

I MIGHT HAVE READ IT PROBABLY

TEN TIMES JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT

I WAS SEEIN' WHAT I THOUGHT I

WAS SEEING, BUT-- 'CAUSE YOU

KNOW, 'CAUSE THINGS LIKE THIS

JUST DON'T COME ABOUT TOO QUICK,

TOO OFTEN.

>> Reporter: DAWSON BEGAN

RECEIVING THE $1,000 A MONTH IN

THE MIDST OF A TRYING YEAR, IN

WHICH SHE SEPARATED FROM HER

CHILDREN'S FATHER AND HER SISTER

WAS KILLED IN A SHOOTING.

>> YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU CAN

KIND OF LOSE INSIGHT WHEN YOU GO

THROUGH A COUPLE OF THINGS IN

LIFE.

SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS YOUR--

YOUR WORTH-- YOUR WORTHINESS

OR-- IF YOU MATTER, YOU KNOW?

WHEN SOMEONE DO SOMETHING GOOD,

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE

TO BE A PART OF SOMETHING GOOD,

YOU KNOW, JUST PICKS YOU UP, YOU

KNOW?

AND IT HELPS YOU REMEMBER WHO

YOU ARE AND WHAT REALLY MATTERS.

>> Reporter: DAWSON SAYS THAT

SHE'S USED THE EXTRA INCOME TO

PAY FOR FAMILY HOLIDAY EXPENSES,

AS WELL AS SOME UNEXPECTED CAR

REPAIRS.

SHE'S ALSO SAVING MONEY TO MOVE

HER FAMILY TO A BIGGER HOME AND

TO GO BACK TO COLLEGE AND FINISH

HER DEGREE IN SOCIAL WORK.

SHE HOPES TO HAVE A CAREER IN

EDUCATION OR START AN

ORGANIZATION TO HELP YOUNG

PEOPLE DEAL WITH CHALLENGES

SIMILAR TO THOSE SHE HERSELF

FACED.

>> I WANTED TO GET AN

ORGANIZATION SET UP THAT WOULD

BE DESIGNED FOR TEENAGERS, ONCE

THEY GRADUATE SCHOOL, PREFERABLY

FEMALES, TO HELP THEM HAVE

SOMEWHERE TO GO, TO STAY, IF

THEY DON'T HAVE NOWHERE TO GO.

AND THAT WILL PROVIDE THEM

SOMEWHERE TO STAY AND TO HELP

THEM GET ON THEIR FEET.

>> Reporter: SINCE MAGNOLIA

MOTHER'S TRUST BEGAN THREE YEARS

AGO, SEVERAL OF ITS FORMER

PARTICIPANTS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO

PURCHASE HOMES OR MOVE INTO

MARKET RATE RENTAL PROPERTIES.

AISHA NYANDORO SAYS THAT THE

PROGRAM IS PROOF OF THE

BENEFICIAL EFFECTS OF A

GUARANTEED INCOME.

>> WHEN YOU GIVE PEOPLE MONEY

WITHOUT RESTRICTIONS, THEY GO

ABOUT TAKING CARE OF WHAT IT IS

THAT THEY NEED FOR THEMSELVES

AND THEIR FAMILIES.

WE'VE SEEN MOMS GET OUT OF DEBT.

WE'VE SEEN INDIVIDUALS GO BACK

TO SCHOOL, FINISH SCHOOL, GET

BETTER JOBS, GO SEE FAMILY

MEMBERS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN

YEARS BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE

DISPOSABLE INCOME NOW.

>> Reporter: WHAT DO YOU SEE AS

THE FUTURE FOR MAGNOLIA MOTHER'S

TRUST?

DO YOU SEE THIS AS SOMETHING

THAT COULD BECOME A PERMANENT

FIXTURE, SOMETHING THAT COULD

GROW TO INVOLVE MORE PEOPLE,

MAYBE IN PLACES OUTSIDE OF

JACKSON?

>> I DON'T WANT MAGNOLIA

MOTHER'S TRUST TO BE PERMANENT.

I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE A

FAILURE IF IT IS PERMANENT.

I DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF THE

GUARANTEED INCOME PROJECTS THAT

ARE CURRENTLY BEING IMPLEMENTED

IN THIS COUNTRY CAN BE SUSTAINED

WITHOUT FEDERAL POLICY.

I THINK THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT.

I THINK THAT WE ARE ALL

PROVIDING CRITICAL NARRATIVE AND

DATA AND CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE

NEEDED TO HELP PUSH THIS COUNTRY

FORWARD AND TO REALLY HELP US

DIVORCE THIS IDEAL OF CASH WITH

RESTRICTIONS, BUT IF MAGNOLIA

MOTHER'S TRUST OR ANY OF THE

GUARANTEED INCOME PROGRAMS ARE

STILL OCCURRING FIVE YEARS FROM

NOW, I WILL FEEL LIKE WE'VE

MISSED THE MARK IN A MASSIVE

OPPORTUNITY.

SO, FOR ME, I AM PUSHING FOR

POLICY AND DEMONSTRATING WHAT IS

POSSIBLE ON A FEDERAL LEVEL.

>> Sreenivasan: FOR MORE ON

GUARANTEED INCOME, ZACHARY GREEN

SPOKE WITH NATALIE FOSTER,

CO-CHAIR OF THE ECONOMIC

SECURITY PROJECT.

THE NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION

HELPS FUND PROGRAMS THAT WORK TO

CREATE WAGE AND INCOME EQUALITY,

AND IS ONE OF THE FUNDERS OF

AISHA NYANDORO'S NON-PROFIT,

SPRINGBOARD TO OPPORTUNITIES.

>> Reporter: SO, WE JUST HEARD

AISHA NYANDORO SAY THAT IF

MAGNOLIA MOTHER'S TRUST OR ANY

OF THE OTHER GUARANTEED INCOME

PROGRAMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY

OPERATING IN THE COUNTRY NOW ARE

STILL AROUND IN FIVE YEARS, SHE

WOULD CONSIDER THAT A FAILURE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT

STATEMENT, AND IS THERE ANYTHING

HAPPENING ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL

RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD MAKE

PROGRAMS LIKE MAGNOLIA MOTHER'S

TRUST UNNECESSARY?

>> ONE THING WE KNOW IS THAT

CASH POLICIES ARE SOME OF THE

MOST EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE

WAYS OF HELPING FAMILIES WHEN

THEY ARE STRUGGLING.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, ALMOST ALL

AMERICANS, EXPERIENCED A SORT OF

EXPERIMENT IN CASH POLICIES

THROUGH STIMULUS CHECKS THAT

CAME TO FAMILIES THROUGH

EXPANDED UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE

WHEN PEOPLE LOST A JOB, AND

THROUGH THE CHILD TAX CREDIT

CHECKS, WHICH ARE BASICALLY A

GUARANTEED INCOME FOR FAMILIES

WITH CHILDREN.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S ALL

UNCERTAIN.

PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW WHEN THE

STIMULUS CHECKS WOULD COME, WHEN

THEY WOULD START AND STOP.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE CHILD TAX

CREDIT HAS JUST SENT OUT ITS

LAST CHECK IN DECEMBER OF 2021

BECAUSE OF CONGRESSIONAL

GRIDLOCK IN WASHINGTON, D.C.

SO, WE NEED TO MOVE PAST THE

UNCERTAINTY AND MAKE THE CHILD

TAX CREDIT, WHICH IS A

GUARANTEED INCOME FOR FAMILIES

WITH CHILDREN, A PERMANENT PART

OF AMERICAN SOCIAL POLICY.

>> Reporter: SO, ONE THING THAT

WE KEEP HEARING IS THAT

RESTRICTIONS WITHIN THE CURRENT

SOCIAL SAFETY NET MIGHT ACTUALLY

BE KEEPING PEOPLE WITHIN THE

CYCLE OF POVERTY RATHER THAN

HELPING THEM PULL THEMSELVES

OUT OF IT.

COULD YOU TELL US WHY THAT'S THE

CASE?

WHAT IS IT ABOUT OUR CURRENT

WELFARE SYSTEM THAT MIGHT

ACTUALLY BE KEEPING PEOPLE

IN POVERTY?

>> WELL, I'LL FIRST SAY THAT OUR

CURRENT WELFARE SYSTEM IS SAVING

PEOPLE'S LIVES.

IT IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT

WE HAVE IT, BUT WE NEED TO BUILD

ON IT AND GROW IT AND CREATE IT

AS A SUPPORT MECHANISM FOR

FAMILIES AS WE ENTER THESE

UNCERTAIN TIMES, MAKING IT SO

THAT CASH COMES WITH NO STRINGS

ATTACHED SO THAT FAMILIES CAN

MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS ABOUT

WHAT THEY NEED.

>> Reporter: SO, WHAT DO YOU SAY

TO PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT IF YOU

TAKE AWAY THE RESTRICTIONS FROM

THESE WELFARE PROGRAMS, THEN

PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING TO SPEND

THE MONEY IRRESPONSIBLY?

>> THESE POLICIES ARE OFTEN

ROOTED IN RACIST HISTORIES, IN

DISTRUST OF FAMILIES, AND THEY

ADD CRUEL LOGISTICAL COMPLEXITY

TO PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST TRYING TO

NAVIGATE A SYSTEM, YOU KNOW,

WHEN THEY ARE STRUGGLING.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE SAW COMING

OUT OF MANY OF THE GUARANTEED

INCOME DEMONSTRATIONS ARE THAT

PEOPLE SPEND THE MONEY ON THE

BASICS.

THEY PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE.

SOME FAMILIES, THAT'S THREE

MEALS INSTEAD OF TWO.

EVERY FAMILY IS DIFFERENT.

AND FOR EVERY FAMILY, IT'S

IMPORTANT FOR BEING ABLE TO LIVE

THE LIVES OF DIGNITY THAT THEY

DESERVE.

>> Reporter: AND FINALLY, WE'VE

LOOKED AT GUARANTEED INCOME

PROGRAMS IN STOCKTON,

CALIFORNIA, IN HUDSON, NEW YORK,

IN GARY, INDIANA, IN SAN

FRANCISCO, WHERE THEY WERE

DEALING WITH PEOPLE EXPERIENCING

HOMELESSNESS.

WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE FUTURE

FOR GUARANTEED INCOME, AND HOW

DO YOU SEE GUARANTEED INCOME

BEING SCALED UP ON A NATIONAL

LEVEL?

WHAT WOULD THE MECHANICS OF THAT

BE?

>> WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW

ARE CITIES AS THE LABORATORIES

OF DEMOCRACY.

WE ARE SEEING MAYORS LIKE MAYOR

MICHAEL TUBBS IN STOCKTON, AND

COMMUNITY LEADERS LIKE DR. AISHA

NYANDORO, WHO ARE TAKING UP THE

MANTLE AND SAYING, THIS IS THE

FUTURE OF AMERICAN SOCIAL

POLICY, AND I WILL DEMONSTRATE

WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN MY CITY.

WE'RE SEEING CITIES-- DOZENS OF

CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY

DEMONSTRATING WHAT A REGULAR

MONTHLY SUPPORT OF CASH COULD

LOOK LIKE FOR FAMILIES.

AND THE RESULTS ARE INCREDIBLE.

PEOPLE FEEL LESS STRESS.

THEY'RE ABLE TO WORK JOBS THAT

ARE MEANINGFUL AND HIGHER PAYING

IN THEIR LIVES AND ARE ABLE TO

PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE.

AND I BELIEVE THAT WILL

DEMONSTRATE WHAT A FEDERAL

GUARANTEED INCOME SHOULD LOOK

LIKE.

BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, REGULAR

CHECKS THAT FAMILIES CAN COUNT

ON IN THIS COUNTRY ARE HOW WE

BUILD BACK BETTER IN AMERICA.

>> Reporter: NATALIE FOSTER OF

THE ECONOMIC SECURITY PROJECT.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

>> IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE.

>> Sreenivasan: LIKE ALL MUSICAL

STYLES, PUNK ROCK HAS ITS

HISTORY AND ITS TRADITIONS.

AND, INEVITABLY, THE TORCH IS

PASSED AS ARTISTS EMERGE.

FOR A NEW GENERATION, PUNK

VETERAN KATHLEEN HANNA, WHO

CO-FOUNDED THE BAND BIKINI KILL,

CONTINUES TO BE AN INSPIRATION--

ESPECIALLY FOR YOUNG WOMEN

MOVING INTO THIS MALE-DOMINATED

GENRE.

NEWSHOUR WEEKEND'S CHRISTOPHER

BOOKER HAS THE STORY.

>> Reporter: AS PART OF THEIR

TEENTASTIC TUESDAYS PROGRAM LAST

MAY, THE LOS ANGELES PUBLIC

LIBRARY HOSTED A YOUNG BAND

CALLED THE LINDA LINDAS.

>> A LITTLE WHILE BEFORE WE WENT

INTO LOCKDOWN A BOY CAME UP TO

ME AND SAID HIS DAD TOLD HIM TO

STAY AWAY FROM CHINESE PEOPLE.

SO, THIS IS ABOUT HIM AND ALL

THE OTHER RACIST, SEXIST BOYS IN

THIS WORLD!

>> Reporter: RATHER

UNEXPECTEDLY, THIS PERFORMANCE

WAS ABOUT TO GO VIRAL.

♪ ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ ♪

♪ RACIST, SEXIST, BOY

YOU ARE A-- ♪

>> Reporter: THE CLIP OF THEIR

SONG "RACIST, SEXIST, BOY" WAS

VIEWED MILLIONS OF TIMES ONLINE,

AND LANDED THE YOUNG BAND ON

LATE NIGHT TELEVISION.

>> THE LINDA LINDAS!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> Reporter: FOR THOSE INVESTED

IN PUNK ROCK, THE LINDA LINDAS

BRIEF BOMBARDMENT OF SOCIAL

MEDIA FEEDS PROVIDED PROOF

POSITIVE THAT THE FUTURE WAS IN

GOOD HANDS.

BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE:

THE T-SHIRTS, A NOT-SO-SUBTLE

NOD TO ONE OF PUNK'S MOST

SEMINAL BANDS, BIKINI KILL, AND

ITS SINGER, KATHLEEN HANNA.

♪ ♪ ♪

IN THE EARLY 1990s BIKINI KILL,

LED BY KATHLEEN HANNA, WAS

ARGUABLY ONE OF THE MOST

INFLUENTIAL GROUPS IN MUSIC, AN

INTEGRAL PART OF A

DO-IT-YOURSELF ART, MUSIC AND

POLITICAL MOVEMENT CALLED RIOT

GRRRL, WHICH GAINED PROMINENCE

AS ALTERNATIVE MUSIC CAME TO

DOMINATE THE AIRWAVES AND POP-

CULTURE.

THE RIOT GRRRL SCENE, HOWEVER,

EXISTED IN SMALL CLUBS AND

COLLEGE CAMPUSES, WELL OUTSIDE

OF THE COMMERCIAL MAINSTREAM.

>> WE BOOKED OUR OWN TOURS, WE

HAD NO MANAGEMENT AND WE DID

EVERYTHING OURSELVES, INCLUDING,

LIKE, FIXING THE VAN MOST OF THE

TIME.

ANY WOMAN OR GIRL AT OUR SHOW, I

WOULD GET THEIR ADDRESS.

I WOULD WRITE THEM A POSTCARD

AND SAY, HERE, WE'RE GOING TO BE

HERE THIS DAY, PUT A HEART OR A

STAR ON YOUR HAND.

IF YOU SEE ANOTHER GIRL WITH

THAT, YOU'LL KNOW SHE'S

INTERESTED IN FEMINISM AND YOU

GUYS COULD START A CONVERSATION.

AND IT STARTED WORKING.

♪ ♪ ♪

>> Reporter: TAKING A HAMMER TO

THE MALE-DOMINATED UNDERGROUND

MUSIC WORLD, HANNA BECOME A PUNK

ROCK FEMINIST ICON- AND A

TARGET, AS BIKINI KILL'S

PROMINENCE GREW.

>> IF YOU'RE-- IF YOU'RE

CHALLENGING THE STATUS QUO, A

BUNCH OF JERKS ARE GOING TO COME

OUT OF THE WOODWORK LIKE

TERMITES AND TRY AND ATTACK YOU.

SOME BIG MAGAZINE WOULD WRITE

SOMETHING ABOUT HOW WE WERE JUST

A BUNCH OF SEXUAL ABUSE

SURVIVORS WHO HATED MEN, AND WE

WERE RUINING THE PUNK SCENE, AND

OUR SHOWS WEREN'T REALLY

MUSICAL, THEY WERE SPEAK OUTS.

I MEAN, I COULD TELL YOU A

MILLION STORIES.

BUT TO HAVE TO ENDURE THAT AND

THEN GO ON STAGE AND BE LIKE,

HEY!

ALL GIRLS TO THE FRONT.

I'M NOT KIDDING.

ALL GIRLS TO THE FRONT!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

ALL BOYS BE COOL, FOR ONCE IN

YOUR LIVES.

GO BACK.

IF I GOT INTO THIS TO BE LIKED,

THIS IS, LIKE, THE WRONG

BUSINESS TO GET INTO TO.

LIKE, WE'VE ALL GOT TO END

OPPRESSION AGAINST ALL PEOPLE.

IT'S NOT ABOUT BEING A WHITE

WOMAN WHO CLIMBS THE CORPORATE

LADDER OR WHO MAKES IT ON TO A

MAJOR LABEL, OR I GET TO PLAY A

BIG FESTIVAL AND EVERYTHING'S

SOLVED.

IT'S ABOUT EVERYONE COMING

TOGETHER, AND FEMINISM TO ME

REALLY IS THAT.

>> Reporter: IN THE LATE 90s,

BIKINI KILL SLOWED DOWN, AND

HANNA WOULD RELEASE A SOLO

RECORD AND ALSO FORMED A TRIO

CALLED LE TIGRE.

NOW A SEASONED MUSIC VETERAN,

SHE HAD MADE HER MARK.

BIKINI KILL'S ADVOCACY OF WHAT

HAS BEEN CALLED GIRL POWER HAD

BECOME AN INTEGRAL PART OF

CULTURE, AND THEIR SONG "REBEL

GIRL," AN UNOFFICIAL ANTHEM,

APPEARING IN MOVIES, TELEVISION

AND EVEN MILEY CYRUS' 2021 SUPER

BOWL PERFORMANCE.

♪ THAT GIRLS THINKS SHE'S

THE QUEEN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD

♪ SHE'S GOT THE HOTTEST

TRIKE IN TOWN ♪

>> THE WEIRDER PART OF THE WAY

THAT THINGS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED

WITH HAVE SEEPED INTO POPULAR

CULTURE IS WALKING INTO TARGET

AND SEEING A GIRL POWER SHIRT.

AND ALL THE CRAP THAT WE WENT

THROUGH, YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE

DAY, IT MAKES IT WORTH IT.

>> Reporter: BUT CULTURE IS NOT

A STATIC AFFAIR, AND RECENT

YEARS HAVE NOT BEEN QUIET.

BIKINI KILL DECIDED TO REUNITE

SHORTLY AFTER THE 2016 ELECTION

BECAUSE, HANNA SAYS, SHE STILL

FELT THE SAME WAY SHE DID IN THE

90s.

>> I FEEL THE SAME EXACT AMOUNT

OF ANGER.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE SEXISM

STOPPED EXISTING.

YOU KNOW, WE ACTUALLY, WHEN WE

WERE, UM, WE WERE CHECKING OUT

DIFFERENT BOOKING AGENTS THAT WE

WANTED TO WORK WITH.

AND ONE OF THEM, A MALE, WAS

LIKE, "WELL, YOU BETTER STRIKE

WHILE THE IRON IS HOT, YOU KNOW,

WITH THIS, LIKE, KAVANAUGH

STUFF, AND YOU KNOW."

AND I WAS LIKE, "DON'T WORRY, I

THINK SEXISM STILL GOING TO, YOU

KNOW, STILL GOING TO EXIST LIKE

NEXT YEAR.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO REALLY

RUSH THIS.

IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG

TIME."

>> Reporter: DO YOU FIND

YOURSELF CHECKING WHAT YOU SAY

BECAUSE OF WHAT WE NOW CALL CALL

OUT OR CANCEL CULTURE?

>> I'VE ALWAYS BEEN PUT IN A

POSITION WHERE IF I SAY

SOMETHING IN A SORT OF WEIRD WAY

OR I HAVE AN OFF INTERVIEW OR

SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR EVEN IF

I HAVE A GREAT INTERVIEW,

SOMEONE'S GOING TO TAKE ISSUE

WITH IT, AND I DON'T CARE.

I MEAN, I CAN'T LIVE MY LIFE

THAT WAY.

HEY THERE!

>> Reporter: WHILE THE PANDEMIC

POSTPONED BIKINI KILL'S 2020

TOUR UNTIL THE SPRING OF ' ¡¡22,

HANNA HAS BEEN BUSY, SPENDING

HER TIME WORKING ON HER

ORGANIZATION TEES-FOR TOGO.

>> WHAT IS TEES FOR TOGO?

>> Reporter: FOUNDED IN 2018 AND

WORKING IN COLLABORATION WITH AN

ORGANIZATION CALLED THE PEACE

SISTERS, TEES-FOR-TOGO SELLS

DESIGNER T-SHIRTS FOR $40.00 A

PIECE, EACH HELPING TO PAY FOR A

GIRL TO GO TO SCHOOL IN TOGO,

WEST AFRICA, FOR ONE YEAR.

TURNS OUT THE T-SHIRTS WORN BY

THE LINDA LINDAS IN THEIR VIRAL

VIDEO CLIP WEREN'T JUST BAND

SHIRTS, BUT TEES-FOR-TOGO

SHIRTS.

>> JUST TO SHOW HOW AMAZING THE

INTERNET IS.

THESE SHIRTS, THE LINDA LINDAS,

LIKE, BOUGHT ON THEIR OWN, WORE

THEM IN THE VIDEO.

AND THEN I SOLD LIKE $13,000

WORTH OF SHIRTS THE NEXT DAY.

>> Reporter: HANNA SAYS THIS

YEAR TEES-FOR-TOGO HAS DONATED

OVER $40,000 TO THE PEACE

SISTERS, HELPING TO TRIPLE THE

NUMBER OF GIRLS THE ORGANIZATION

IS SENDING TO SCHOOL SINCE ITS

FOUNDING.

WHEN YOU THINK OF A BAND LIKE

THE LINDA LINDAS, AGAINST YOUR

EXPERIENCE, WHAT KIND OF ADVICE

WOULD YOU GIVE TO A YOUNG BAND,

AS PEOPLE, AS YOUNG PEOPLE THAT

HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, AND WANT

TO SAY SOMETHING IN A CYNICAL

WORLD?

>> I ALWAYS THINK OF IT LIKE

THIS: A KID THREW SPITBALLS AT

YOU IN YOUR CLASS AND YOU THINK,

"OH, THIS KID IS HATING ON ME,"

OR WHATEVER.

BUT THAT KID JUST WANTS TO GET

YOUR ATTENTION, AND IT IS THE

SAME WAY IF YOU ARE SOMEBODY WHO

SPEAKS OUT IN THE PUBLIC EYE.

THERE IS GOING TO BE PEOPLE WHO

WANT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF

RELATIONSHIP TO YOU, AND IF THEY

CAN'T HAVE A POSITIVE

RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU, THEY WILL

HAVE A NEGATIVE RELATIONSHIP

WITH YOU.

AND I WOULD TELL THEM THAT THE

SPITBALLS MEAN PEOPLE ARE PAYING

ATTENTION, AND THAT ALL OF THE

NEGATIVE STUFF MEANS IT'S

WORKING.

AND IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING THOSE

NEGATIVE COMMENTS, LIKE, ARE YOU

REALLY A PUNK?

♪ I REALLY WANT TO BE

YOUR BEST FRIEND

♪ BE MY REBEL GIRL ♪

>> Sreenivasan: THAT'S ALL

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