MNTV

S22 E3 | FULL EPISODE

MNTV 2203

The annual series showcasing some of Minnesota’s finest independent filmmakers.

AIRED: May 14, 2016
ABOUT THE PROGRAM
TRANSCRIPT

>> FOR OVER 20 YEARS, MNTV HAS

BEEN A SHOWCASE FOR MINNESOTA

FILMMAKERS.

FROM ANIMATION TO NARRATIVE,

FROM EXPERIMENTAL TO MUSIC

VIDEO.

MNTV IS A CHANCE FOR

MINNESOTANS TO SEE THE YEAR'S

BEST INDEPENDENT SHORT FILMS

AND TO WITNESS THE DEVELOPMENT

OF THIS STATE'S EMERGING

TALENT.

>> MNTV PROVIDES ABILITY FOR

FILMMAKERS TO HAVE THAT

DIALOGUE WITH AN AUDIENCE, TO

GET THE WORK OUT, TALK ABOUT IT

AND SHOW IT ON BROADCAST

TELEVISION WHICH IS PRETTY

AMAZING.

>> PEOPLE THAT DON'T GO OUT TO

THEATERS TO SEE FILM OFTEN WILL

SEE THIS FILM BECAUSE IT'S ON

THEIR TV.

>> IT'S KIND OF AN ASPECT

THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MYSTERIOUS

TO MOST PEOPLE IS TO BE ABLE TO

CREATE SOMETHING BASICALLY FROM

NOTHING.

>> AND NOW, THE 2016 SEASON OF

MNTV.

>> MNTV IS A CO-PRODUCTION OF

IFP MINNESOTA, WALKER ART

CENTER AND TWIN CITIES PBS.

FUNDING IS PROVIDED BY A GRANT

FROM THE JEROME FOUNDATION.

>> MICHELE BLADES REACHED OUT

TO ME AND TOLD ME SHE HAD A NEW

ALBUM COMING OUT AND WANTED TO

DO A MUSIC VIDEO FOR EVERY SONG

ON THE ALBUM AND SHE GAVE ME

FREE REIGN TO PICK UP WHATEVER

SONG I WANTED, AND "CHAPTER

XXXI" STOOD OUT FOR ME AND I

FELT THERE WAS A LOT OF

OPPORTUNITY FOR STORY TELLING

AND VISUALS.

WHY I LIKE MUSIC VIDEOS I LIKE

TO TRY OUT DIFFERENT

APPROACHES, THERE IS A LITTLE

BIT LESS RISK INVOLVED IN A

MUSIC VIDEO AND MORE ROOM TO DO

THAT WHEREAS ON A MOVIE OR

COMMERCIAL THERE IS A LITTLE

BIT MORE AT STAKE AND A LITTLE

BIT MORE CONSERVATIVE IN THE

APPROACH.

SO THIS IS A PLACE WHERE I GET

TO TRY DIFFERENT THINGS AND

HAVE FUN AND FIT WORKS, MAYBE I

CAN BRING THAT TO A DIFFERENT

PROJECT LATER.

BUT IT'S MY KIND OF AREA TO BE

CREATIVE AND JUST GO CRAZY WITH

IT.

>> COME ON OUT, BLAZE.

IF IT ISN'T THE WRAP LOCAL?

>> COME ON.

>> NO, TOMMY, DON'T.

STOP IT!

>> GET OUT OF THE WAY, KRISSY.

>> STOP IT!

>> ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT.

HEY, NOW, IT'S JUST A GAME.

RIGHT, BAD' BOY?

AND YOU LIKE GAMES, RIGHT BAD'

BOY?

TONIGHT, 9:00, DEATH ROW ALLEY.

BE THERE.

>> NO, YOU BE THERE.

>> SHUT UP, YOU PUNK.

>> BIG BAD TOMMY BLAZE.

>> SEE YA LATER.

>> GO BACK TO VALLEY.

>> I'M GOING TO CREAM THAT

MOTHER.

♪♪

♪ ROCK-STYLE MUSIC ♪

[FUNKY TECHNO-STYLE MUSIC]

♪ YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE I HEAR ♪

♪ YOU, YOU THE ONLY FALL I

LISTEN TO ♪

♪ MUSIC CONTINUES ♪

>> "I AM GONE" IS ANIMATION

THAT WAS PART OF A DIFFERENT

PROJECT AND I WORKED WITH

AMAZING ANIMATE TOR, AMY SCHMIT

AND JIMMY WAS THE COMPOSER.

THE POEM WAS WRITTEN BY ROBERT

JORDY AND IT WAS KINDS OF A

JOURNEY OF SORTS.

IT WAS A JOURNEY OF PAST AND

PRESENT AND FUTURE AND PART OF

THE CHALLENGE WITH CREATING A

FILM ABOUT A POEM IS, YOU KNOW,

YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE

EVERYTHING EXACTLY WHAT THE

POEM SAYS AND SO THAT'S WHAT

KIND OF CAME OUT, YOU KNOW, THE

STORY MAYBE THROUGH THE

ANIMATION INVOLVED A LITTLE

BIT, THEN HOW HE ACTUALLY WROTE

THE POEM.

>> "I AM GONE."

I'M STEPPING OFF THE TRACK.

AND PUTTING MY EAR TO METAL.

I'M HEARING VOICES SPOKEN,

TRAVEL TELL US OF BEYOND.

I TOO AM TRAVELING BEYOND HERE

TO NEW ORLEANS.

I PLAN TO SET ONE FOOT ON A

HOLY GROUND AND ONE ON A BAR

RAIL.

I PLAN TO DANCE ALL THE WAY

DOWN THE NARROW TRAIL, TO SLEEP

IN A GRAND GRASS BED AT THE

ROOSEVELT HOTEL.

WHERE I WILL LIE AWAKE TO THE

SOUND OF THE PLUS.

THERE IS ALSO A -- OF THE

BLUES.

THERE IS ALSO A LONG WHISTLING

SOUND I WILL DREAM, THE

CLICKING OF TRACK, LOCOMOTIVE

STEAM.

I AM FROM THAT DISTANT FLYWAY,

MY FATHER WAS BORN JUST OF THE

BROWNS VALLEY HIGHWAY.

HE HUNTED PHEASANT IN THE

CORNFIELDS HE WALKED WHILE ME

AND MY BROTHER LAUGHED AND

TALKED.

I SAW A THOUSAND BIRD WINGS GO

NORTH AND SOUTH, HE SHOT ALL

THOSE HONKERS AT LAKE TRAVERSY

MOUTH.

BUT NOW I AM SITTING UP RIGHT,

LIKE MY GRANDFATHERS'S DIXIE

LAND PIANO.

GOT MY TICKET AND THE CONDUCTOR

IN SIGHT.

I AM TRAVELING BY TRAIN

TONIGHT.

DOWN TO NEW ORLEANS.

♪♪

[BIRDS CHIRPING]

[CREAKING SOUNDS]

[BIRDS CHIRPING]

[BELLS

TOLLING]

[MUSIC AND VOICES IN THE

BACKGROUND]

[MUSIC AND VOICES IN THE

BACKGROUND CONTINUE]

[MUSIC AND VOICES IN THE

BACKGROUND CONTINUE]

[YELLING IN THE BACKGROUND]

[SOUNDS OF CARS]

[SOUND OF WATER SPLASHING]

[INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS]

[INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS]

♪ GROUP SINGING ♪

[INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS]

♪ GROUP SINGING ♪

[ Applause ]

>> MY NAME IS NICOLE BRENDING

AND I DIRECTED "A DREAM OF WERE

ENGINEER HERZOG."

I HAD SO EMAIL WESTERN ENGINEER

HERZOG, THAT WAS GO I HAD TO DO

THAT DAY AND I WAS LITERALLY

WHILE I WAS HAVING ALL THIS

ANXIETY ABOUT EMAILING WERNER

AND THING OF ALL THE WAYS YOU

CAN GET THIS MAN'S ATTENTION

AND, LIKE, HOW DO I APPROACH

HIM, I LOOKED OUT THE WINDOW

AND THERE WAS A TRAIN THAT SAID

"HERZOG" ON IT AND I REALIZED

THERE WERE ALL THESE TRAINS

THAT SAID "HERZOG" ON IT AND I

THOUGHT, OH, MY GOSH, I SHOULD

MAKE HIM A PHELP AND SEE IF

THAT GETS HIS ATTENTION.

I GOT MY CAMERA OUT AND I WAS

RUNNING AROUND AND SEEING WHAT

COOL AND UNUSUAL THINGS TO FILM

AND THE STORY SORT OF DEVELOPED

OUT OF THAT.

>>IVE THIS RECURING DREAM AND

I'M IN MY APARTMENT AND I

REALIZE I HAVE TO FIND WESTERN

ENGINEER HERZOG.

SO I RUN OUTSIDE AND I START

ASKING PEOPLE, DO YOU KNOW

WHERE WERNER HERZOG IS AND THEY

LOOK AT ME LIKE I'M CRAZY, AND

I REALIZE THEY'RE GERMAN AND SO

I SAY...

[SPEAKING IN GERMAN]

THEY GET VERY AGITATED WITH ME.

THERE IS A GUY WITH A FOOD CART

WHO'S MAKING BALLOON ANIMALS

AND HE FLIPS OUT AT ME.

THERE'S THIS WOMAN WHO HAS THIS

SQUIRREL IN HER SWEATSHIRT, A

BABY SQUIRREL SLEEPING IN HER

SWEATSHIRT AND SHE LAUGHS AT

ME.

SO FINALLY THERE IS THIS GUY

THAT SAYS, WERNER HERZOG AND

POINTS AND SO I START RUNNING,

JUST START RUNNING AS FAST AS I

CAN IN THE DIRECTION, AND I END

UP IN THIS TRAIN STATION AND

IT'S EMPTY EXCEPT THAT IT HAS

FLICKERING LIGHTS AND LIGHT

SCULPTURES OR SOMETHING, AND I

GET TO THE FAR END OF THE

STATION AND I LOOK OUT THE

WINDOW AND THERE'S THIS TRAIN

FEEL ON ALL OF THE CARS I HAD

SAYS "HERZOG," A HUNDRED TRAIN

CARS THAT SAY "HERZOG."

I REALIZE I HAVE TO GET ON THAT

TRAIN AND THAT WILL TAKE ME TO

WERNER HERZOG.

I TURN THE DOOR AND IT'S

LOCKED, AND THEN I SEE ANOTHER

SIGN SO I RUN IN THE DIRECTION

OF THAT SIGN AND THEN I RUN

DOWN THE STAIRS AND I END UP ON

THIS PLATFORM AND I LOOK ACROSS

AND IT'S A GATE AND, LIKE, I'M

SOMEHOW MUCH FURTHER AWAY FROM

THE TRAIN THAN I WAS BEFORE.

I'M LIKE HOW AM I GOING TO GETS

TO THE TRAIN.

I'M FREAKING OUT BECAUSE I

DON'T KNOW WHEN THE TRAIN IS

SUPPOSED TO LEAVE AND IT COULD

LEAVE AT ANY MINUTE.

I THINK, WELL, IF I RUN FAR

ENOUGH, THE GATE WILL END AND

I'LL BE ABLE TO GET TO THE

TRAIN, SO I START RUNNING

TOWARDS WHAT I THINK IS, YOU

KNOW, THE DIRECTION OF THE END

OF THE GATE, RIGHT, SO I CAN

GET TO THE HERZOG TRAIN.

♪ DRAMATIC MUSIC]

>> I END UP IN THIS

CONSTRUCTION SITE, THERE WILL

BE SIGNS AND IT SAYS DANGER,

DANGER, DO NOT ENTER, FALLING

DEBRIS AND -- I'M LIKE, OH, MY

GOSH, I SHOULD STOP.

THIS IS CRAZY.

AND THEN I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF

I'M WERNER HERZOG, I WOULD KEEN

GOING.

I WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S IN

THIS DANGEROUS PLACE, I WOULD

WANT TO SEE WHAT IT HELD SO I'M

LIKE, OKAY, I'M GOING TO KEEP

GOING, TO HAVE GETS TO THE

HERZOG TRAIN AND THIS IS THE

WAY THROUGH.

I KEEP GOING AND I'M GOING UP

THIS HILL AND I START GETTING

BLINDED BY THE SUN AND IT'S

LIKE MILITARY HELICOPTER START,

YOU KNOW, SWARMING ME BUT I

KEEP GOING, YOU KNOW, AND I GET

TO THE TOP OF THE HILL AND IT'S

LIKE, POOF, YOU KNOW, I WAKE

UP.

YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT

MEANS SO I GUESS I NEED TO TALK

TO WERNER HERZOG.

>> "8-6ED" IS A 1940s PERIOD

MOB FLICK.

I THINK THE COLOR AND

CINEMATOGRAPHY ARE GREAT.

I THINK IT WAS INTERESTING TO

DO -- TRY TO JUMP INTO THAT

WORLD AND TAKE A STAB IN WHAT

YOU ENVISIONED FOR THAT TIME.

IT'S A LOT OF FUN.

[PEPPY 1940s MUSIC]

>> YOU SAID LOVELY TONIGHT.

>> WE CAN'T ALL DIE WAITRESSES,

HON.

[PEPPY 1940s MUSIC CONTINUES]

>> HEY, DOLL.

WILL YOU BRING THIS TO MALONE

FOR ME?

>> SURE.

>> THANK YOU.

[FOOTSTEPS]

[MUSIC CHANGES TO MORE SOMBER,

SCARY]

>> I'M SORRY, I...

[CRYING]

>> HA, HA, HA.

AH-HA, FAST YOUR EYES!

LITTLE [BLEEP] CHEATER.

>> WHAT DID YOU CALL ME?

>> HEY, GUYS, GUYS, GUYS, COME

ON.

LET'S GET ANOTHER ROUND, HUH?

>> YOUR DAY WILL COME.

[ Laughter ]

>> OH, WHERE'S THAT WAITRESS?

HEY, BOY, TELL THAT GIRL TO GET

YOUR ASS IN HERE.

>> YES, SIR.

>> MARTA.

HEY, MARTA.

[CRYING]

>> OKAY, WHAT'S WRONG?

WHAT?

NO.

I'LL KILL THAT...

>> PLEASE, NO, NO, NO.

PLEASE, NO.

>> HE HAS ALWAYS, ALWAYS

BEEN -- BUT HE HAS NEVER...

[SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING IN THE

BACKGROUND]

>> WE NEED TO GET OUT OF HERE.

>> HE WILL NEVER LET ME LEAVE.

>> BUT I'VE GOT FAMILY IN

MISSOURI, WE CAN BE THERE IN A

FEW DAYS.

>> BABY, WE CAN'T BE TOGETHER

IN MISSOURI.

[PIANO MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND]

>> LOOK WHO DECIDED TO DO HER

JOB.

>> YOUR DRINKS.

>> YOU GONNA APOLOGIZE?

>> FOR WHAT?

>> MAKING ME WAIT FOR MY

[BLEEP] DRINK!!

>> YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT

NEEDS A PRIVATE MOMENT IN THE

BACK ROOM ONCE IN A WHILE.

>> I TELL TO YOU APOLOGIZE, YOU

BETTER DO IT!

>> LEAVE HER ALONE!!

>> NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, PUNK.

I SAID, APOLOGIZE!!

[TENSE MUSIC]

>> I GOTTA GO TAKE A [BLEEP].

>> BATHROOM IS OUT OF ORDER,

YOU'LL HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE.

>> I PEE OUTDOORS, SHE SAYS THE

PLUMBING IS OUT.

WAITRESS, JESUS.

SASSIN' OFF TO ME ALL THE TIME.

[PIANO MUSIC]

[TENSE MUSIC BUILDING IN

INTENSITY]

>> DON'T YOU EVER...

>> OH, OH. >> WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT DID YOU

DO?

>> IT WAS AN ACCIDENT.

>> OH, MY GOD.

>> RUN!

>> THEY KILLED HIM.

YOU KILLED HIM!

>> IT WAS AN ACCIDENT, I SWEAR.

[GUN SHOTS]

>> MARTA.

>> WHAT DO WE DO NOW?

[SOUND OF WIND BLOWING]

[JAZZY 1940s MUSIC]

[MUSICAL SOUND OF BELLS]

♪ DRAMATIC MUSIC]

[DRAMATIC MUSIC CONTINUES]

[DRAMATIC MUSIC CONTINUES]

[DRAMATIC MUSIC CONTINUES]

[DRAMATIC MUSIC CONTINUES]

[DRAMATIC MUSIC CONTINUES]

[DRAMATIC MUSIC CONTINUES]

>> I'M MEG BROWN, MY FILM IS

"RAISING OWEN," A GENDER QUEER

LOVE STORY.

MOSTLY IT'S A PARENTS' LOVE

STORY FOR THEIR CHILD,

UNCONDITIONAL CHILD AND I'M

SURE FOR A TON OF KIDS, THIS

ISN'T A NEW THING.

THIS IS A NEW THING TO BE

RESPECTED IN THAT IDENTITY

VERSUS HAVING TO PUSH IT DOWN

AND KEEP IT BEHIND CLOSED

DOORS.

LIKE YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU

WANT IN YOUR BEDROOM BUT DON'T

COME OUT IN SOCIETY LOOKING ANY

DIFFERENT THAN THE WAY YOU'RE

SUPPOSED TO LOOK.

♪♪

>> WHEN I WAS A KID GROWING UP

IN RURAL MISSOURI, I WOULD HAVE

BOUGHT IT AND LET IT GO AND

THINK, OH, MAYBE SOMETHING'S

GOING TO CHANGE.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A CHILD AND

YOU REALLY LISTEN TO WHAT

THEY'RE SAYING ABOUT THEIR

GENDER, IT'S NOT A PHASE, IT'S

BEEN PRESENT IN OH END'S

LIFE -- IN OWEN'S LIFE FROM DAY

ONE, BASICALLY, AND TO SEE THE

RELIEF ON THEIR FACE WHEN THEY

CAME OUT TO ME AS GENDER QUEER

AT THE ABLE OF EIGHT AND A HALF

YEARS WOLD AND THE RELIEF THEY

FEEL AND THE JOY THEY FEEL

AROUND IT, FAITH, DON'T EVEN

USE IT AROUND ME.

YOU ONLY HAVE ONE LIFE TO LIVE

AND THIS IS THE TIME TO BE WHO

YOU ARE.

YOUR...

[ Audio Indiscernible ]

>> I LIKE TO USE THEY, IT OR

THEM.

I TOLD THEM WHEN I WAS ABOUT --

NOT A WORD AND I TOLD THEM IT

WAS LIKE -- I FORGOT WHAT THEY

ARE, PRONOUNS OR NOUNS.

>> PRONOUNS.

>> I TOLD THEM ABOUT THE

PRONOUN Z AND NOW HE CALLS ME Z

PANDA BEAR FOR SOME REASON.

[ Laughter ]

>> STARTED SEEING LIKE THE

SIGNS THAT THEIR GENDER WAS IN

QUESTION PROBABLY WHEN THE

FIRST TIME THEY COULD MAKE A

DECISION BETWEEN A TRUCK AND A

DOLL.

THEY ALWAYS CHOSE THE THE DOLLS

AND DRESSES AND PROBABLY I

WOULD SAY LIKE FIVE MONTHS OLD

IS WHEN IT FIRST STARTED, AND

WHEN THEY WERE ABOUT ONE AND A

HALF, TWO, TALKING, THEY WOULD

TELL ME THAT THEY WERE A GIRL.

AND VERY STRONGLY SO, AND

THAT'S WHEN WE JUST DECIDED

THAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER OWEN

WANT OR FEELS LIKE OWEN IS, YOU

KNOW, WHOEVER THEY FEEL LIKE

THEY ARE, WE JUST WANT OWEN TO

BE THE PERSON THAT THEY ARE AND

WE'VE ALWAYS JUST LET THEM PICK

WHAT THEY WANT TO DO TO BE

THEIR OWN SELF.

IT'S NOT OUR CHOICE, IT'S

THEIRS.

[ Laughter ]

>> DO YOU WANT TO BE THE PRINCE

BECAUSE YOU LOOK HAND SOME.

>> THANK YOU.

>> SO YOU DRESS UP AS A BOY.

>> YEAH.

>> AND I DRESS UP AS A GIRL,

OKAY?

>> ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT

RIGHT NOW?

>> LET'S DO IT RIGHT NOW.

>> DO WHAT RIGHT NOW?

>> PLAY RIGHT NOW.

>> REALLY QUICKLY?

>> GENDER QUEER MEANS THAT

YOU'RE NEITHER GENDERS AND BOTH

GENDERS AT THE SAME TIME, KIND

OF.

>> THAT'S PRETTY GREAT.

>> I KNOW.

>> DOES IT FEEL GOOD TO FINALLY

BE ABLE TO JUST LIKE BE

YOURSELF?

>> YEAH, YEAH.

>> CAN SEE THE RELIEF IN YOUR

FACE WHEN YOU TOLD ME.

>> WELL, IT WASN'T IN

MINNEAPOLIS -- LIVING IN

MINNEAPOLIS, IT'S A VERY

GENDER-FLUID, ACCEPTING PLACE

TO RAISE A CHILD AND TO LIVE,

AND IT ACTUALLY COULDN'T -- I

CAN'T IMAGINE RAISING THEM AND

ACTUALLY LIVING ANYWHERE ELSE

WITH THEM OTHER THAN

MINNEAPOLIS.

WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KIND OF HAVE

FUN WITH OUR GENDER HERE

BECAUSE IT'S MORE ACCEPTING

HERE THAN ANYWHERE THAT I'VE

EVER BEEN IN MY LIFE.

WE'VE KIND OF PLAY WITH IT.

THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN OWEN

PUTS ON A DRESS AND I PUT ON MY

BOW TIE AND WE DO ALLEY WALKS,

AND I REMEMBER EVEN A TIME

GOING TO THE GROCERY STORE AND

WE WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, FEELING

GOOD ABOUT OURSELVES AND HAD ON

THEIR PRINCESS DRESS AND MY BOW

TIE AND VEST AND WE'VE HAD

PEOPLE COME UP TO US, I

REMEMBER AT THE GROCERY STORE,

HAVING SOMEONE COME UP TO ME

AND SAYING, THANK YOU FOR

LETTING YOUR SON WEAR A DRESS

IF THEY WANT TO.

IT'S OKAY TO BE WHO YOU ARE AND

JUST KEEP GOING WITH WHAT

YOU'RE DOING AND THAT'S WHAT WE

DID FOR A LOT OF YEARS.

SINCE THEY'VE STARTED SCHOOL,

OWEN, SINCE THEY'VE STARTED

SCHOOL, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT

DIFFERENT IN THAT, YOU KNOW,

MOST OF THE KIDS COME FROM VERY

TRADITIONAL, CONVENTIONAL TYPE

OF FAMILIES.

THEY HAVEN'T QUITE BEEN AS

EXPRESSIVE WITH THEIR GENDER AS

THEY HAVE IN THE PAST BUT IT'S

STILL HERE.

MINNEAPOLIS IS AMAZING FOR

THAT.

IT'S QUITE OPPOSITE FROM WHAT I

HAD AS A KID GROWING UP IN

RURAL MISSOURI, IT'S LIKE

THERE'S NO ROOM FOR THAT KIND

OF THING BUT IT'S BEEN A VERY

ADVANTAGEOUS THING FOR US TO BE

LIVING HERE IN THIS CITY

WHERE -- THERE IS LIKE A

MOVEMENT GOING ON HERE AND I'M

SO HAPPY THAT THE TWO OF US ARE

A PART OF IT.

OWEN'S OTHER PARENT AND I

DECIDED THAT WE WOULD TAKE THEM

TO A SPECIALIST JUST TO SEE,

YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE

WE WEREN'T DOING ANYTHING

WRONG.

I DIDN'T WANT TO HURT THE

PROCESS, WHATEVER THAT PROCESS

IS FOR OWEN.

AND SO WE WENT A COUPLE TIMES

AND IT JUST REALLY FELT TOO

CLINICAL SO I DECIDED THAT I

WOULD JUST -- KIND OF JUST

LISTEN TO WHAT THEY WERE SAYING

AND FIGURE IT OUT ON OUR OWN.

I THINK THE BEST LISTENING WE

CAN DO ARE FROM SMALL, INNOCENT

CHILDREN WHO AREN'T TAINTED BY

THE WORLD AND IF WE SCREWS

LISTEN TO THEM -- IF WE JUST

LISTEN TO THEM, I KIND OF FELT

LIKE WE COULD FIGURE THIS ALL

OUT ON OUR OWN WITHOUT THE HELP

OF ANY SORT OF PROFESSIONAL

DIAGNOSIS OR WHATEVER.

>> WELL, OWEN AND I HAVE THE

KIND OF RELATIONSHIP THAT I

THINK THAT THEY CAN -- THEY

FEEL COMFORTABLE TELLING ME

JUST ABOUT ANYTHING THAT

THEY'RE GOING THROUGH OR ANY

QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE, THEY

FEEL COMFORTABLE ASKING ME AND

WE TALK OPENLY ABOUT THE TRUTH

OF ANYTHING, NOTHING'S, YOU

KNOW, MASKED OVER LIKE WHAT

SOCIETY LIKE REALLY MAKES US

DO.

WE TALK ABOUT THE ACTUAL TRUTH

OF THINGS AND I THINK THEY FELT

COMFORTABLE TALKING TO ME ABOUT

JUST ABOUT ANYTHING.

MY PARENTS WERE VERY

HANDS-OFFER, THEY WERE

SEPARATED AND NOT A LOT OF

INVOLVEMENT OR REALLY ANYTHING,

ANY KIND OF FEELINGS OR

THOUGHTS THAT I HAD TOWARDS MY

GENDER AT THE TIME.

THEY WEREN'T AROUND.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY BEARING ON

ANYTHING.

IT'S QUITE OPPOSITE WHAT IT IS

WITH OH WEAPON.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS IN

LIFE THAT I DECIDED I WAS GOING

TO DO DIFFERENTLY AND ONE OF

THEM WAS ACTUALLY LISTENING TO

MY CHILD AND HEARING WHAT THEY

HAD TO SAY ABOUT THEIR FEELINGS

BECAUSE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW,

LEGITIMATE.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF NIGHT

AND DAY THAN IT WAS WITH MY MOM

AND MY DAD, REALLY.

IT'S NOT ABOUT ME, ANYWAY, IT'S

ABOUT OWEN.

MY PRINCESS BOY.

OWEN WAS ABOUT FOUR YEARS OLD,

HE WAS IN DAY CARE, THEY HAD A

COSTUME DAY SO YOU COULD COME

DRESSED AS YOUR FAVORITE PRINCE

OR PRINCESS.

WE BOUGHT TWO DRESSES AND ONE

PRINCE COSTUME.

I SENT HIM IN THE PRINCE

COSTUME AND AS BEING SEE BY

THAT PICTURE, HE'S PRETTY DANG

SAD.

I WAS BEATING MYSELF UP ALL

MORNING ABOUT IT.

I WAS REALLY BEATING MYSELF UP

AND AT ABOUT NOON, I DECIDED

THAT I WOULD GO GRAB THE DRESS

AND TAKE IT TO THEM AT SCHOOL,

AND SO WHEN I GOT, THERE THEY

WERE TAKING THEIR NAP.

THEY WOKE UP FROM THEIR NAP AND

I WAS HOLDING THEIR DRESS AND

THEY CAME RUNNING OVER, GRABBED

THE DRESS, PUT IT ON.

AND THAT'S WHAT YOU GET RIGHT

THERE.

THEY WERE SO HAPPY.

IT WAS LIKE A DIFFERENT KID.

IT WAS SO CRAZY.

THERE'S NOT MUCH I WOULDN'T DO

FOR OWEN, I WOULD DO ANYTHING.

AS LONG AS THEY CAN ALWAYS BE

THEIR, LIKE, ONE TRUE BEAUTIFUL

SELF, THEY HAVE MY BACK ALL THE

WAY.

>> WE CAN PLAY THERE.

>> YEAH?

ARE YOU ON TV?

>> YES.

♪♪

>> JUST BE YOURSELF AND NO

MATTER WHAT, YOU HAVE MY

SUPPORT AS A PARENT, YOU HAVE

MY SUPPORT.

IT'S OKAY TO BE YOURSELF.

THAT'S ALL IT'S ABOUT ANYWAY.

THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY -- NO

CATEGORIES FOR ANYONE AT ALL.

♪♪

♪♪

>> MNTV IS A CO-PRODUCTION OF

IFP MINNESOTA, WALKER ART

CENTER AND TWIN CITIES PBS.

FUNDING IS PROVIDED BY A GRANT

FROM THE JEROME FOUNDATION.

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