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MetroFocus: September 15, 2017

After leaving a trail of bodies on Long Island, the search for the Gilgo Beach serial killer had grown cold. Until now. Is it time for New York to light up and legalize cannabis? It's a story of Russian intrigue and an American traitor. The folks at “NOVA” take us on a harrowing adventure: death dive to Saturn.

AIRED: September 15, 2017 | 0:26:50
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AND THE SUSPECT POLICE HAVE

THEIR SIGHTS ON.

>>> IS IT TIME FOR NEW YORK TO

LIGHT UP AND LEGALIZE WEED?

A REPORT ON THE PUSH TO MAKE

RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA AVAILABLE

TO ALL IN OUR STATE.

>>> RUSSIAN INTRIGUE IN AN

AMERICAN TRADER.

OUR JOURNALIST EXPLORES RADICAL

BETRAYAL IN A TIMELY TALE FROM

OUR NOT TOO DISTANT PAST

>>> AND THE FOLKS AT NOVA TAKE

US ON A WHO ROWING ADVENTURE.

ALL THIS AND MORE AS

"METROFOCUS" STARTS RIGHT NOW.

>>> THIS IS "METROFOCUS" WITH

RAFAEL P. A RAHMAN, JACK FORD

AND JENNA FLANAGAN.

FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM WAS

PROVIDED BY -- CORPORATE FUNDING

FOR "METROFOCUS" WAS PROVIDED BY

MUTUAL OF AMERICA, YOUR

RETIREMENT COMPANY AND BY PSE&G,

SERVING CUSTOMERS, STRENGTHENING

THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND

INVESTING IN THE BUSINESS V

VEN

VENTURE.

>>> IT'S BEEN AP QUIET SUMMER IN

AND AROUND LONG ISLAND'S BEACH

AND THAT'S A GOO THING AS THE

SERIAL KILLER MAY HAVE BEEN

STALKING THAT STRIP VERY TEN

YEARS.

TEN WOMEN AND 17 PEOPLE IN

TOTAL, INCLUDING A MAN AND A

BABY HAVE BEEN FOUND MURDERED IN

THE SAND OFF OF OCEAN PARKWAY.

THE DEATH HAUNTS RESIDENTS AND

POLICE LOOKING FOR ANSWERS.

NOW A PO THE ONLY BREAK IN THE

CASE.

SUFFOLK COUNTY ASSISTANT

DISTRICT ATTORNEY HAS A HUNCH AS

TO WHO MAY BE THE KILLER AND THE

REASON WHY WE HAVEN'T SEEN MORE

MURDERS RECENTLY.

JOINING ME NOW WITH DETAILS OF

WHAT THIS BREAK IS AND WHAT

POLICE ARE NOW PONDERING IS

TIMOTHY BULLGAR EDITOR AND CHIEF

OF LONG ISLAND PRESS.

WELCOME TO THE SHOW.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> TAKE US BACK TO THE BEACH

MURDER CASES.

WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE TALKING

ABOUT HERE?

>> WELL IT ALL STARTED IN

DECEMBER OF 2010 WHEN POLICE

WERE SEARCHING FOR A MISSING NEW

JERSEY WOMAN WHO HAD BEEN

REPORTED MISSING IN MAY OF THAT

YEAR FROM THE BEACH.

AND WHILE THEY WERE SEARCHING

OCEAN PORKWAY, THEY STUMBLED

UPON FOUR SETS OF HUMAN REMAINS

AT THE BEACH.

THAT OPENED UP A LARGER

INVESTIGATION INTO THE REST OF

THAT BARRIER ISLAND.

AND THROUGH THE FOLLOWING SPRING

THEY FOUND A TOTAL OF TEN SETS

OF REMAINS.

AND THEN THEY EVENTUALLY FOUND

THE WOMAN THEY WERE SEARCHING

FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

>> OKAY.

SO NOW MOVING UP TO THE PRESENT,

WHO IS IT THAT THE ASSISTANT

DISTRICT ATTORNEY FEELS LIKE

MIGHT BE THE MAN THAT THEY'RE

LOOKING FOR?

>> RIGHT AFTER THE SENTENCING OF

JOHN BELCHOV WHO HAD BEEN

CONVICTED OF MURDER TWO WOMEN IN

THE 1990, THE ASSISTANT DISTRICT

ATTORNEY SAID THAT SOME OF THE

BODIES AT THE BEACH MAY BE THE

WORK OF MR. BELCHOV.

SO HE COUCHED IT -- HE DIDN'T

SAY IT WITH ANY CERTAINTY, THAT

WAS DEFINITELY HIM.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BEEN NO

CHARGES AND THE ATTORNEY OF

COURSE DENIES IT.

BUT THAT IS WHAT IS THE LATEST

HERE, THAT AT LEAST ONE

PROSECUTOR HAS NAMED HIM LIKE A

POTENTIAL SUSPECT, ALTHOUGH HE

DIDN'T ACTUALLY USE THAT TERM.

>> YEAH.

WELL THAT'S A PRETTY EXPLOSIVE

POTENTIAL CHARGE TO BE MAKING.

SO WHAT IS HE BASING THAT ON?

>> JUST GOING OFF OF THE FACTS

OF THE CASES, IS THAT, YOU KNOW,

THERE WERE SOME SIMILARITIES IN

THAT HIS VICTIMS WERE BOTH YOUNG

WOMEN WHO HAD PROSTITUTION TIES

AND OF THE FIVE VICTIMS AT THE

BEACH WHO HAD BEEN IDENTIFIED,

ALL WERE KNOWN PROSTITUTES.

SO YOU KNOW, THE VICTIM TYPE IS

THE SAME.

ON THE OTHER HAND, WHEN THE

BODIES WERE FIRST FOUND BACK IN

2010 AND 2011S WITH AUTHORITIES

WERE ADAMANT THAT IT COULD BE

UNTO THREE KILLERS USING THE

PARKWAY AS THE DUMPING GROUNDS.

SAYING HE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL

OF THEM IS A STRETCH WERE OR

EVEN ONE AT THIS POINT.

>> WHEN IT COMES TO THIS

GENTLEMAN WHO THEY HAVE

CONVICTED FOR THE TWO OTHER

MURDERS FROM THE '90s, WHAT

NEEDS TO BE DONE TO TIE HIM TO

THESE BEACH MURDERS?

>> WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO PROVE

IT?

WELL, IN BELCHOV'S CASE, THE

EVIDENCE THAT THE AUTHORITIES

HAD WAS DNA.

SO THEY FOUND DNA ON BOTH OF THE

WOMEN AND THAT MATCHED HIM.

SO THERE WAS NO MURDER WEAPON,

NO WITNESSES.

AND YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING MANY

OF THE VICTIMS AT THE BEACH WERE

YEARS OLD BEFORE THEY WERE

FOUND, ONLY THE MOST RECENT ONE

HAD BEEN THERE A COUPLE OF

MONTHS.

THE ODDS F IT ACTUALLY BEING

LIKE ANY DNA EVIDENCE FOR THEM

TO ACTUALLY TEST ARE PRETTY

SLIM, ALTHOUGH POLICE HAVEN'T

ACTUALLY CONFIRMED THAT THAT IS

THE CASE.

SO YOU KNOW, SHEHE'S OBVIOUSLY

CONFESSING TO ANYTHING.

HE'S APPEALING HIS CONVICTION.

HE'S ADAMANT THAT HE DIDN'T

ACTUALLY MURDER ANYBODY.

SO, YOU KNOW, UNLESS THE POLICE

HAVE ANY EVIDENCE ON SOME OF

THESE VICTIMS THAT THEY'RE NOT

TELLING US ABOUT AND THEY HAVE

SOMEHOW CONNECTED HIM BUT

HAVEN'T CHARGED HIM YET, I'M NOT

SURE WHAT ELSE IT WOULD TAKE

ASIDE FROM A WITNESS OR A

CONVICTION.

>> WHAT HAS BEEN THE REACTION OF

THE COMMUNITY?

THIS HAS CAUSED A LOT OF

ANXIETY, THINKING OR BELIEVING

THAT THERE'S A SERIAL KILLER, OR

PERHAPS MULTIPLE KILLERS IN YOUR

COMMUNITY.

HAS THIS ALLOWED RELIEF TO COME

IN.

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE

BEWILDERED.

BEFORE THE TRIAL THE AUTHORITIES

WERE SINGING A DIFFERENT TUNE,

SAYING HE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING

TO DO WITH IT.

NOW YOU HEAR THE OPPOSITE FROM

THE PROSECUTOR WHO CONVICTED

HIM, WAS KIND OF STARTLING.

AND THAT'S MADE IT NATIONAL NEWS

TODAY.

SO IT DEFINITELY HASN'T DONE

ANYTHING TO, YOU KNOW, EASE

FEARS IN THE COMMUNITY, KI I CA

TELL YOU THAT MUCH.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO

FIGURE OUT WHO THIS IS.

>> WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT

THE VICTIMS WHO WERE FOUND AT

THE BEACH?

>> YOU SORT OF SIMPLIFY IT BY

SAYING THE BEACH.

IT WAS ALL ACROSS JONES BEACH

ALAND, THE FURTHEST WEST WAS ONE

JUST AT THE NORTH SIDE OF JONES

BEACH STATE PARK NEAR SACKS BAY

AND THE FARTHEST WEST WAS THE

TODDLER FOUND NEAR CEDAR BEACH.

ABOUT 15 MILES APART.

AND THE BEACH IS RIGHT IN THE

MIDDLE THERE, VERY DESOLATE PART

OF THE ISLAND WHERE THERE'S NO

STREET LIGHTS.

YOU COULD SEE IT BEING AN EASY

DUMP SITE IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO

GET RID OF A BODY.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF HOUSES

AROUND THERE.

AND IF YOU'RE DRIVING AT NIGHT

AND YOU PULL OVER ON THE SIDE OF

THE ROAD, IT COULD BE SEVERAL

MINUTES BEFORE ANOTHER CAR COMES

BY.

>> DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE

ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY IS

SUGGESTING THAT PERHAPS MAYBE

THEY MIGHT HAVE THEIR MAN, THESE

CASES ARE ALSO ACTIVE, CORRECT

MANY.

>> YEAH, THESE ARE ALL STILL

OPEN HOMICIDES.

AND POLICE REALLY DON'T ISSUE

ANY UPDATES OTHER THAN SAYING

THAT THEY WILL SHARE ANY UPDATES

WHEN THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT

WILL BENEFIT THE PUBLIC OR THE

INVESTIGATION.

THAT'S BEEN THEIR BOILERPLATE

RESPONSE FOR ANY REQUEST OR

COMMENT OR UPDATE ON THE CASE,

OTHER THAN THE OCCASIONAL NEWS

CONFERENCE ANNOUNCING A NEW

PARTNERSHIP WITH THE FBI

RECENTLY, THE NEW POLICE

COMMISSIONER DECLARED.

>> OKAY.

WELL, LISTEN, TIMOTHY, THANK YOU

SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO

JOIN US AND GIVING US THIS

IMPORTANT UPDATE ON THESE CASES.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING

ME.

>>> TONIGHT WE WANT TO INTRODOOS

YOU TO AN SERIES VIEWING.

IT EXPLORES THE CONSEQUENCES OF

WEED REGULATION.

HERE'S A LOOK.

>> MARIJUANA IS THE ESSENCE OF

THE DRUG WAR.

THEY'RE RUINING PEOPLE'S LIVES

FOR NOTHING.

WE NEED TO CHANGE THE GOD DAMN

LAW.

>> WHY DID THE GOVERNMENT START

PUTTING PEOPLE IN JAIL WHEN THEY

WERE AWAITING DEPORTATION?

>> FEAR.

>> YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN CHARGED,

ALREADY DONE TIME, ALREADY

COMPLETED PROBATION, HAVE TO DO

ALL OF THAT AND THEN BE

SEPARATED FROM YOUR FAMILY, IT'S

HARD.

>> IF YESOU'RE AFFECTED BY THE

DRUG, THEN YOU SHOULDN'T BE

BEHIND THE WHEEL.

>> GO, GO, GO.

>> FEELING A LITTLE NERVOUS.

I'VE NEVER BROUGHT ANY DRUGS IN

MY SUITCASE BEFORE.

>> FOR A WHILE IT SEEMED LIKE

WEED LEGALITY WAS SIMPLY A

MATTER OF TIME.

BUT NOW IT'S CLEAR THAT THE

FIGHT GOES ON.

[ CHANTING ].

>> I'M SAD TO BE HERE WITH ALL

OF YOU TODAY ON THE RIGHT SIDE

OF HISTORY.

>> I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT

DOWN WITH THE SERIES HOST AND WE

BEGAN BY DISCUSSING THE

OVERRIDING IMPACT OF MARIJUANA

LEGALIZATION NATIONWIDE.

>> THIS IS AN HISTORIC PERIOD

FOR MARIJUANA.

AS IT GOES FROM BEING ILLEGAL TO

LEGAL, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO

FIGURE OUT AND CHRONICLE IS KIND

OF THE AFTEREFFECTS.

WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE WAKE OF

THESE LEGAL INITIATIVES AND HOW

ARE PEOPLE'S LIVES AFFECTED.

AND SO FROM THE MEDICAL SIDE YOU

SEE PEOPLE AT A POINT OF VERY

PROFOUND -- IT'S PROFOUND

CROSSROADS.

LIKE PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE HANGING

IN THE BALANCE OF WHETHER THEY

CAN GET POT, WHETHER THEY CAN'T,

WHETHER WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS

HELPING THEM OR A PLACEBO OR NOT

SCIENTIFICALLY BASE MEDICAL

STUFF.

IT'S A MUCH MORE SERIOUS ISSUE

THAN YOU MIGHT THINK.

ON A DAY LIKE 4/20 IT'S

CELEBRATING, SEEING PEOPLE

SMOKING.

BUT THE ISSUES BEHIND THE

MARIJUANA REFORM I THINK

COA

COALESCE WITH SOME OF THE MOST

IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT WE FACE AS

AMER

AMERICANS.

>> YOU SAID HISTORIC IMPACT.

THE ELECTION IN NOVEMBER WHEN WE

CONSIDER THE MARIJUANA

LEGALIZATION MOVEMENT?

>> I THINK IT'S A POINT OF VIEW.

SO I THINK LIKE A POTENTIAL

OTHER ADMINISTRATION RIGHT SAY

HEY, LET'S SPEED FORWARD

DESCHEDULING MARIJUANA FROM THE

DEA'S SCHEDULE, THE CONTROL

SUBSTANCES ACT.

HOWEVER IT LOOKS LIKE JEFF

SESSIONS OR YOU KNOW THE PEOPLE

IN POWER NOW DON'T WANT TO DO

THAT.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS BASICALLY THE

KIND OF SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH THAT

COULD BE HAPPENING REGARDING

MARIJUANA'S EFFICACY IS DELAYED

FOR HOWEVER LONG.

AND THIS TAKES TIME.

SO PEOPLE'S LIVES, PEOPLE WHO

THINK IT'S MEDICINE THAT'S

HELPING THEM DON'T HAVE THE

SCIENTIFIC BACKING TO SEE

WHETHER THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING

RIGHT OR WRONG.

>> WE MENTION THE RELUCTANCE ON

THE FEDERAL LEVEL AND WITH THAT

MOVE TO THE STATE LEVEL AND

SPECIFICALLY HERE IN NEW YORK.

AS WE SAID, THERE'S A BILL

PROPOSED TO LEGALIZE IT HERE IN

NEW YORK.

THIS IS THE BILL HERE.

THE BILL CITES A NUMBER OF

THINGS THAT THEY BELIEVE WOULD

HAPPEN IF WE ALLYIZED IT.

REDUCTION IN VIOLENT CRIME,

REDUCTION IN RACE DISPARITIES,

GENERATING A LOT OF REVENUE FOR

THE STATE, CREATING NEW

INDUSTRIES, INCREASING

EMPLOYMENT.

YOU TRAVELED TO EIGHT STATES

WHERE IT IS NOW LEGAL REC

RECRE

RECREATIONALLY.

HAVE THESE SORT OF PROMISES

PLAYED OUT IN THOSE STATES?

>> CERTAINLY ARRESTS HAVE GONE

DOWN.

AND THE DATA OF WHO ARRESTS

AFFECTS, IT'S CLEAR.

PEOPLE OF COLOR.

THAT HAVE BEEN BOURN OUT

ENTIRELY.

ON THE ECONOMIC SIDE, STATES

LIKE COLORADO HAVE SEEN, YOU

KNOW, IN THE TENS OF MILLIONS OF

DOLLARS OF NEW TAX REVENUE COME

THROUGH.

SO THE ECONOMY IS BEING SPURRED.

THAT STANDS TO REASON.

PEOPLE BUY POT, SPOKE POT EVEN

WHERE IT'S ILLEGAL.

BUT THAT MONEY STAYS IN THE

BLACK MARKET AND IS NEVER

TAKTAKTXED.

AND THE OTHER PART IS THERE IS A

GREAT ENERGY TOWARDS

UNDERSTANDING HOW A MARIJUANA

INDUSTRY COULD PROPOSE NEW IDEAS

OF HOW BUSINESSES CAN WORK.

>> WITH THIS LEGALIZATION IN A

STATE LIKE COLORADO, WE'VE SEEN

AN ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT THERE,

A TOURISM ESSENCE.

IN A CITY LIKE NEW YORK, IF WE

WERE TO LEGALIZE IT WOULD THAT

COME INTO PLAY HERE.

WOULD WE SEE TOURISTS FLOCKING

TO NEW YORK CITY FOR THE IDEA

THAT THEY CAN CONSUME MARIJUANA?

>> I THINK TOURISTS ARE GOING TO

COME TO NEW YORK NO MATTER WHAT.

IT'S NEW YORK.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IN NEW YORK

CITY AND NEW YORK STATE

MARIJUANA -- RECREATIONAL

MARIJUANA IS DE FACTO LEGAL.

AND IF YOU'RE A MOTIVATED BUYER,

IT IS NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO FIND

SERVICES THAT ARE MORE AKIN TO

LIKE A PERSONAL CONCIERGE THAN A

BACK ALLEY DRUG DEAL.

THE ARGUMENT ABOUT TAXATION AND

WHETHER THE STATE AND THE CITY

IS RECOUPING THAT ECONOMIC

ACTIVITY IN ANY WAY.

AT THIS POINT, NO.

>> WE MENTIONED THE GOVERNOR,

GOVERNOR CUOMO WHO SAID HE WOULD

USE THIS AS A GATEWAY DRUG.

THAT VIEW IS SHARED BY ATTORNEY

GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS.

LET'S TAKE A LISTEN TO WHAT HE

HAD TO SAY IN A RECENT RADIO

INTERVIEW.

>> I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF

LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA.

I THINK IT'S A MORE DANGEROUS

DRUG THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE

REALIZE.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO

HAVE A BETTER COMMUNITY IF

MARIJUANA IS SOLD IN EVERY

CORNER GROCERY STORE.

>> HERE WE HAVE GOVERNOR CUOMO

ON ONE HAND AND JEFF SESSIONS ON

THE OTHER.

THIS FEAR ISN'T BASED ON

POLITICAL ALIGNMENT CLEARLY.

>> THERE ARE OTHER POLITICIANS

LIKE DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ,

THEY DON'T WANT POT TO BE

EVERYDAY LIFE.

FOR MANY PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY,

IT'S PART OF EVERYDAY LIFE.

AND THAT THAT'S THE REALITY OF

THE COUNTRY AND IN A LOT OF WAYS

THE WHOLE WORLD.

THAT RECOGNITION DOESN'T SPLIT

ALONG LEFT AND RIGHT LINES.

BUT WHAT I'VE FOUND IS THAT IT'S

A DEMOGRAPHICS ISSUE.

IF YOU'RE YOUNGER YOU'RE MORE

LIKELY TO UNDERSTAND OR BELIEVE

THAT MARIJUANA IS A PART OF

EVERYDAY LIFE THAT IS NOT THAT

DIFFERENT FROM ALCOHOL OR

CIGARETTES OR OTHER KIND OF

RECREATIONAL DRUGS.

>> THE PROGRAM AIRS, THE THIRD

SERIES DEBUTS TONIGHT.

PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU ON THE

SHOW.

>> GREAT.

THANK YOU.

>>> HOW DOES AN ARISTOCRATIC IVY

LEAGUE EDUCATED IDEALIST BECOME

A HARD CORE STALINIST AND A

SOVIET SPY.

WELL IN THE 1930s WITH TENS OF

MILLIONS OF AMERICANS

UNEMPLOYED, AND THE

DISILLUSIONMENT WITH CAT LICHL,

HE CAME TO BELIEVE THAT

COMMUNISM WOULD RIGHT ALL OF THE

SOCIAL AND POLITICAL WRONGS OF

THE COUNTRY AND THE WORLD.

HE BEGAN SPYING FOR THE SOVIET

UNION WHILE EMPLOYED BY THE

STATE DEPARTMENT.

AND AFTER A DECADE, THE REWARD

FOR HIS BETRAYAL WAS FIVE YEARS

OF TORTURE IN A PRISON IN

HUNGARY.

NOW THE BEST SELLING AUTHOR

EXPLORE THIS STORY OF TERRIBLE

CHOICES IN HER NEW BOOK TRUE

BELIEVER.

WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> AS YOU KNOW, I LOVE THIS

BOOK.

IT'S ONE OF THE BEST BOOKS I'VE

READ IN A COUPLE OF YEARS.

>> CAN I HAVE THAT AS A BLURP?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> YOU SAID IN AN INTERVIEW THAT

THE STORY WAS IN YOUR DNA.

WHAT DID YOU MEAN?

>> WELL IT LITERALLY IS.

MY RATHER DRAMATIC PAST IS THE

GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING.

MY PARENTS WERE PRISONERS OF THE

COMMUNISTS IN THE '50s,

CONVICTED CIA AGENTS.

AND MY FATHER HAPPENED TO BE NOT

ONLY IN THE SAME PRISON AS THIS

AMERICAN SPY BUT IN THE SAME

CELL AND HAD THE SAME

INTERROGATOR.

MY MOTHER WAS IN AN ADJOINING

CELL.

>> ACTUALLY YOUR PARENTS WERE

HUNGARIAN JOURNALISTS.

>> YES.

I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN

BUDAPEST.

THEY WERE THE LAST INDEPENDENT

MEDIA BEHIND THE IRON CURTAIN

AND THAT WORKED UP TO A POINT

AND THEN IT DIDN'T.

THEY WERE ARRESTED WHEN I WAS 6

YEARS OLD.

MANY YEARS LATER, WE'RE TALKING

ABOUT NOW TWO YEARS AGO, I WAS

LOOKING AROUND FOR A BOOK

SUBJECT AND READING ARTHUR'S

MEMOIRS AND THE NAME NOLL FIELDS

POPPED UP IN AUTHUR'S ACCOUNT.

I THOUGHT, GEE, COULD THAT BE

THE SAME GUY THAT MY FATHER,

WHEN HE WAS FREED AFTER TWO

YEARS OF PRISON MENTIONED AS HIS

OWN JAILER, MY FATHER'S JAILER

SAYING TO HIM AS HE LED MY

FATHER TO HIS CELL,

CONGRATULATIONS, YOU GOT THE

V.I.P. CELL JUST VACATED BY AN

AMERICAN AGENT NAMED NOLL FIELD.

IT TURNED OUT TO BE THE SAME

MAN.

>> AND YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER

WERE THE FIRST ONES AND I THINK

THE ONLY ONES TO INTERVIEW HIM

AND HIS WIFE WHO STAYED IN

HUHU

HUN

HUNGARY.

>> YES.

>> WE'LL GET TO THAT.

WHO WAS NOLL FIELD AND WHO DID

HE DO FOR THE SOVIET UNION AS A

SPY?

>> WELL, HE BETRAYED HIS COUNTRY

FOR STARTERS.

AS YOU NOTED, THIS WAS THE '30s.

TIMES VERY MUCH LIKE OUR OWN

WHEN AMERICA WAS DEEPLY DIVIDED.

YOU HAD A MIDDLE CLASS ON ITS

KNEES, HUGE UNEMPLOYMENT.

THIS IS BEFORE FDR CAME IN WITH

THE NEW DEAL.

THE COUNTRY WAS VERY CLOSE TO A

PREREVOLUTIONARY STATUS.

AND COMMUNISTS, THAT IS MOSCOW

TRAINED COMMUNISTS WERE ON THE

LOOKOUT AS MOSCOW ALWAYS IS FOR

OPPORTUNITIES TO UNDERMINE THE

SYSTEM.

AND NOLL FIELD WAS ONE OF THOSE

PEOPLE WHO WAS TARGETED FOR

RECRUITMENT.

WHY?

BECAUSE SHE WAS -- HE LOOKED LIE

THE LEAST LIKELY PERSON TO

BECOME A SPY.

TALL WASP WITH AN IVY LEAGUE

BACKGROUND.

WHO WOULD BELIEVE THIS GUY IS A

SPY.

>> HE WAS A SPY IN THE STATE

DEPARTMENT.

AND THEN IN THE LEAGUE OF

NATIONS.

BUT HE WASN'T IN THE LEVEL OF AL

GER MISS, ANOTHER WASPY SPY.

>> BY THE WAY, FOR THOSE WHO

STILL HAVE THE DELUSION THAT HE

WAS NOT A SPY, THIS BOOK WILL

PUT THAT TO REST.

>> IT CERTAINLY DID.

A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU

DISCOVERED --

>> IN THE ARCHIVES.

>> NOLL MENTIONED THAT HISS WAS

A FELLOW SPY.

>> AND ALSO FROM MY OTHER

FATHER, AS I MENTIONED, MY

FATHER HAD THE SAME INTERROGATOR

AS NOLL FIELD AND THIS

INTERROGATOR SHARED STORIES

ABOUT HISS WITH MY FATHER.

SO ANYWAY, HISS PLAYS A BIG ROLE

IN BRINGING NOLL FIELD -- THEY

WERE PART OF THE SAME WASHINGTON

CIRCLE OF -- THEY STARTED AS

ALIENATED FROM THE COUNTRY AND

BECAME HARD CORE STALIN.

>> HOW DID THIS HARD CORD

STALINIST DEVOTED TO STALIN THE

MAN AND COMMUNISM END UP BEING

THE CENTRAL FIGURE IN STALIN'S

LAST SHOW TRIALS WHEN HE WANTED

TO DO TO THE LEADERS OF MANY OF

THE COMMUNIST SATELLITE

COUNTRIES, WHAT HE HAD DONE TO

THE OLD GUARD IN THE '30s AND IN

THE '50s.

HE USED FIELD.

HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?

>> ANOTHER THING THAT "TRUE

BELIEVER" DEMONSTRATES IS STALIN

WAS MOST RUTHLESS TO HIS OWN

PEOPLE.

HE HAD NOT A TRACE OF SYMPATHY

FOR PEOPLE WHO SLAVISHLY

FOLLOWED THEM WHEN HE NEEDED TO

USE THEM.

AND FIELD WAS THE IDEAL MAN FOR

STALIN TO USE WHEN IN HIS LAST

MOST PARANOID STAGE STALIN

WANTED TO GET RID OF HIS

PERCEIVED RIVAL BECAUSE THIS

AMERICAN SPY KNEW ALL OF THE BIG

SHOTS IN THE SOVIET EMPIRE,

HAVING MET THEM IN THE SPANISH

CIVIL WAR, WHICH ALSO PLAY AS

BIG ROLE IN THIS BOOK.

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN FASCINATED BY

THE SPANISH CIVIL WAR.

AND THERE HE MEETS THE FUTURE

LEADERS OF THE SOVIET SATELLITES

TO THEIR E INTERNAL REGRET.

BECAUSE A SINGLE MEETING WITH

NOLL FIELD WAS ENOUGH TO LEAD

THEM TO THE GALLOWS WHEN

EVENTUALLY STALIN NEEDED FAKE

CONFESSIONS FROM NOLL FIELD.

>> YEAH.

AND HE CONFESSED AND HE TURNED

IN LIKE SIX -- HE NAMED LIKE

HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS WERE

IMPRISONED, TORTURED.

>> AND NEVER SEEN.

>> SOME KILLED.

WHAT IS THE RELEVANCE OF THE

FIELD STORY TO US TODAY?

>> IT'S HUGE.

IT'S THAT F-- FIRST OF ALL,

MOSCOW IS ALWAYS ON THE LOOKOUT

FOR WAY TO WEAKEN US.

MOSCOW ARE WILL ALWAYS BE OUR R

ISLAND.

LET'S NOT KID OURSELVES.

THAT WHEN A FACE CAPTURED THE

ALBEIT ISIS OR STALINISM, IT'S

VERY HARD TO PULL BACK FROM

THAT.

THAT WE HAVE TO BE ALERT TO

ALIENATED PEOPLE WHO ARE SO

ACCEPTABLE TO POWERFUL FAITH.

AND NOT TO BE PARANOID, BUT YOU

KNOW, NOLL FIELD WAS SELF

RADICALIZED LONG BEFORE A VERY

TEMPTING RECRUITER KNOCKED ON

HIS DOOR FROM MOSCOW.

HE WAS SHOWING ALL OF THE SIGNS

OF ALIENATION AND SELF

RADICALIZATION PREINTERNET.

HE WAS READING -- HE WAS

INHALING ALL OF THE MARKIST AND

COMMUNIST TONES.

THE SIGNS WERE THERE IN PLANE

VIEW.

>> PARALLELS INDEED.

THE BOOK IS "TRUE BELIEVER,

STALIN'S LAST AMERICAN SPY."

IT'S WONDERFUL BOOK.

DISTURBING BUT A WONDERFUL READ.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US

TODAY.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

SUCH A PLEASURE.

>> FOR OVER A DECADE THE KA

SEENY SPACE PROBE HAS BEEN

SENDING DAZZLING IMAGES OF

SATURN'S RINGS AND MOONS.

WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE FINAL

HOUR AS IT DIVES INTO SATURN'S

ATMOSPHERE.

LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT DEATH DIVE

TO SATURN.

>> A MILESTONE IN SPACE

EXPLORATION.

A BILLION MILES FROM EARTH.

>> SATURN IS, I THINK BY

ANYONE'S ESTIMATION, A

STRIKINGLY BEAUTIFUL PLANET.

>> AFTER A DECADE OF AMAZING

DISCOVERIES.

>> IT HAS ITS EXTRAORDINARY

RINGS, 62 MOONS.

>> THE SPACECRAFT CASINNI

TRANSFORMS OR UNDERSTANDING OF

SATURN.

>> LOOK AT THE SHADOW.

THE PARTICLES ARE PRO-TUESDAYING

TWO MILES ABOVE THE RING FLIGHT.

>> IT'S LARGEST MOON A MYSTERY

BENEATH THE HAZY ATMOSPHERE.

>> WHEN WE LANDED ON THE

SURFACE, IT WAS LIKE BEING IN

ONE UNIVERSE ONE MOMENT.

>> NEVER IMAGINED.

>> RAIN, RIVERS, CLOUDS.

>> BUT MOST STUNNING OF ALL TINY

AND INTRIGUING.

>> EXPECTED TO BE COLD AND DEAD.

NEVER EXPECTED TO HAVE ACTIVITY

LIKE THIS.

>> ORGANIC WATER.

IT WAS THE CHEMICAL ELEMENTS.

IT HAS AN ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH

WE COULD EASILY IMAGINE LIFE.

>> NOW, THE SPACECRAFT BEGINS

ITS FINAL MISSION.

>> CASSINI WILL DIE FOR THE

FIRST TIME.

>> WE ARE GOING THROUGH AN AREA

NO ONE HAS GONE THROUGH BEFORE.

>> WHAT MYSTERIES LIE WITHIN?

>> THE SPACE PROBE IS GOING TO

ALLOW US TO ALMOST SEE INSIDE

THE PLANET AND GET AN

UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON

INSIDE.

>> AS CASSINI'S 20-YEAR JOURNEY

COMES TO A FIERY END.

DEATH DIVE TO SATURN.

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