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MetroFocus: October 16, 2020

Tonight, Reverend Leah D. Daughtry, Faith Leader, CEO of the 2016 and 2008 Democratic National Conventions and former chief of staff for the Democratic Party, and political columnist Amy Holmes, writer for HBO’s "Real Time with Bill Maher" and past speechwriter for former GOP Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, are back with the play by play of Thursday's presidential town halls.

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>>> THIS IS "METROFOCUS" WITH

RAFAEL PI ROMAN, JACK FORD, AND

JENNA FLANAGAN.

"METROFOCUS" IS MADE POSSIBLE BY

SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM III,

SYLVIA A. AND SIMON B. POYTA

PROGRAMMING ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT

ANTI-SEMITISM, BARBARA HOPE

ZUCKERBERG, JANET PRINDLE

SEIDLER, JODY AND JOHN ARNHOLD,

CHERYL AND PHILIP MILSTEIN

FAMILY, BERNARD AND DENISE

SCHWARTZ, JUDY AND JOSH WESTON,

DR. ROBERT C. AND TINA SOHN

FOUNDATION.

>>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO

"METROFOCUS."

I'M JACK FORD.

LAST NIGHT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE

BEEN THE SECOND IN A SERIES OF

THREE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES, A

TOWN FORMAT IN MIAMI.

AS I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW BY NOW,

THERE WAS A TOWN HALL FORMAT

MANY MIAMI, BUT THERE'S ALSO ONE

IN PHILADELPHIA.

PRESIDENT TRUMP IN TIME TIME,

FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN

IN PHILADELPHIA.

QUESTIONS THEN THAT COME FROM

THAT IS FIRST, HOW PRODUCTIVE

WAS THAT FORMAT?

SECONDLY, DID WE LEARN ANYTHING

NEW FROM THE CANDIDATES,

ANYTHING THIS MIGHT ESPECIALLY

HELP THOSE UNDECIDED VOTERS TO

DECIDE WHO THEY INDEED WANT TO

VOTE FOR?

WHAT MIGHT THAT FORMAT PORTEND

FOR MOVING FORWARD IN FUTURE

CAMPAIGNS?

ALSO, WE WANT TO TALK A LITTLE

BIT ABOUT THE SUPREME COURT

NOMINATION HEARINGS THAT HAVE

BEEN TAKING PLACE THIS WEEK.

WHAT IMPACT THEY MIGHT HAVE ON

THE UPCOMING ELECTION.

MUCH FOR US TO TALK ABOUT, AND

WE'RE DELIGHTED TO HAVE BACK

WITH US TWO OF OUR FAVORITE

POLITICAL COMMENTATORS TO

DISCUSS ALL OF THIS WITH US.

WE HAVE THE REVEREND LEAH

DAUGHTRY WHO IS A FAITH LEADER,

ALSO A POLITICAL STRATEGIST,

FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF OF THE

DEMOCRATIC PARTY, CEO IN 2008

AND 2016 OF THE DEMOCRATIC

NATIONAL CONVENTION AND OUR GOOD

FRIEND AMY HOLMES, A WRITER FOR

REALTIME BILL MAHER, A POLITICAL

COLUMNIST, REGISTERED

CONSERVATIVE AND ALSO THE FORMER

SENIOR SPEECH WRITER FOR THE

FORMER GOP SENATOR AND MAJORITY

LEADER BILL FRITZ.

AS ALWAYS, IT'S A DELIGHT TO

HAVE THE TWO OF YOU WITH US TO

TALK ABOUT LAST NIGHT.

LET'S START OFF, AS WE'VE DONE

IN THE PAST, WITH AN EXAMINATION

OF EXPECTATION, SORT OF BIGGER

PICTURE EXPECTATIONS IN WHAT WE

SAW.

THERE'S A LOT, AS I MENTIONED,

FOR US TO FOCUS ON HERE LET'S

START WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP.

FOR THAT, AMY, LET ME COME TO

YOU FIRST.

WE HAVE -- THE THREE OF US

TALKED ABOUT THE CHAOS OF THAT

FIRST SO-CALLED DEBATE.

>> THAT'S VERY KIND OF YOU.

>> I'M TRYING TO BE DIPLOMATIC

AND JOURNALISTIC.

>> DEBACLE.

>> OR COMBINE CHAOTIC AND

DBACLE.

THERE ARE QUESTIONS AND WE

TALKED ABOUT THAT, WHETHER THE

PRESIDENT WILL AGREE TO DO

ANOTHER GATHERING SUCH AS THAT.

ALSO THINGS INTERVENED INCLUDING

HIS MEDICAL CONDITION.

WE GOT LAST NIGHT WHAT WE GOT.

SO COMING INTO THAT NOW, HIM BY

HIMSELF IN A TOWN HALL FORMAT,

DIFFERENT FORMAT QUESTIONED BY

SAVANNAH GUTHRIE FROM NBC NEWS.

WHAT DO YOU THINK GOING IN

HIS -- LET'S CALL THEM HIS

PEOPLE AND THE PRESIDENT I'M

SELF HAD AS EXPECTATIONS FOR

THAT?

>> WELL, IT'S FUNNY, JACK, TO

USE THE PHRASES WHAT ABOUT LAST

NIGHT.

NORMALLY THAT'S USED IN DATING

LIKE A ONE-NIGHTSTAND.

FOR A LOT OF VOTERS, LAST NIGHT

WAS A ONE-NIGHTSTAND.

YOU HAD TO PICK ONE OR THE

OTHER.

PRESIDENT TRUMP OR VICE

PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN BECAUSE THEY

WERE SCHEDULED TO -- SUPPOSED TO

DEBATE EACH OTHER, BUT THEN LAST

NIGHT ON SEPARATE NETWORKS.

I TUNED IN TO PRESIDENT TRUMP, I

DON'T THINK THAT WILL SURPRISE

OUR VIEWERS.

I REALLY WANTED TO SEE IF HE

WOULD REDEEM HIMSELF AFTER THAT

DEBATE WITH JOE BIDEN, HIS

POLLING NUMBERS ABSOLUTELY

TANKED.

HE WAS SPIRALING.

HE REALLY NEEDED TO ADDRESS THE

AMERICAN PEOPLE, HAVE A NICE

WHERE HE LOOKED GOOD, WHERE HE

LOOKED IN COMMAND, IN CHARGE,

NOT CRAZY, NOT ANGRY, AND I

THINK HE ACCOMPLISHED THAT.

IF ANYTHING, JACK, I WAS

ABSOLUTELY MESMERIZED BY THE

WOMAN SITTING BEHIND HIS

SHOULDER THE ENTIRE TIME NODDING

AND CLAPPING AND HIGH-FIVING.

>> I HAD THE SAME REACTION.

I'M SURE MANY PEOPLE DID.

DOES SHE WORK FOR THE TRUMP

CAMPAIGN?

HOW DID SHE GET THAT REALLY GOOD

SEAT BEHIND THERE?

SHE BECAME MORE DEMONSTRATIVE AS

THE EVENING WENT ON.

>> IT WAS ASTONISHING.

THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN COULD NOT

HAVE PAID FOR A BETTER

ADVERTISING.

SHE WAS CHOSEN BY NBC.

>> I KNOW WHEN YOU DO THOSE, IN

THE PAST WHEN I WAS WITH BOTH

ABC AND NBC I MODERATED

POLITICAL TELEVISED PANELS.

THE AUDIENCE WAS TOLD, IF YOU'RE

GOING TO BE HERE, WE HAVE TO

DEMAND THAT YOU NOT BE

DEMONSTRATIVE AND GIVE ANY

SIGNALS OR SIGNS.

I DON'T BELIEVE THEY SAID THAT

TO THEM.

>> IT'S BEYOND ME.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE

EXPRESSIVE.

IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE THAT

REALTIME REACTION BY A VOTER.

BUT GETTING INTO THE MODERATOR,

HOW DID SAVANNAH GUTHRIE DO.

>> I'LL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE.

>> LET ME TOSS IT OVER TO THE

REVEREND.

>> FOR A BIGGER PICTURE OF

EXPECTATIONS.

REVEREND DAUGHTRY, WATCHING FROM

THE OPPOSITE END, ACROSS THE

AISLE, IF YOU WOULD, WHAT DID

YOU ANTICIPATE THE EXPECTATIONS

WOULD BE IN TERMS OF THE TRUMP

CAMPAIGN AND THE PRESIDENT

HIMSELF, AND HOW DID YOU THINK

IT PLAYED OUT?

>> WELL, I THINK AMY IS EXACTLY

RIGHT.

HE HAD TO USE THIS OPPORTUNITY

TO REDEEM HIS PERFORMANCE OF TWO

WEEKS AGO.

SEEMS LIKE 12 YEARS AGO, BUT TWO

WEEKS AGO, AND TO SHOW A

DIFFERENT SIDE OF HIMSELF TO THE

AMERICAN PEOPLE.

I THINK IN TERMS OF TONE AND

TEMPERAMENT, HE ACCOMPLISHED

THAT TO SOME DEGREE.

HE WAS STILL IN THIS ONE-ON-ONE

SETTING SHORT ON DETAIL.

THE WOMAN ASKED ABOUT HEALTH

CARE AND HOW HE WAS GOING TO

MANAGE HER HEALTH CARE COSTS,

AND WE JUST KEPT HEARING THAT HE

WAS GETTING RID OF OBAMACARE,

WHICH IS GREAT BUT HOW ARE YOU

REPLACING IT WHEN YOU'VE HAD

THREE YEARS TO PUT A PLAN

FORWARD.

A LITTLE SHORT THERE ON

SPECIFICS.

HE MAINTAINED WHAT WE'VE SEEN

OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS WHICH

IS THIS SENSE OF HIM BEING

AGGRIEVED THAT EVERYONE IS DOING

HIM WRONG, SOMEHOW BEING CHEATED

OUT OF EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE

IS OUT TO GET HIM WHICH IS, I

THINK FOR MANY PEOPLE, ANNOYING.

THE WOMAN BEHIND HIM AND THE

WOMAN WHO STARTED THE QUESTION

WITH "YOU'VE GOT A GREAT SMILE."

>> CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT?

>> SO BIZARRE, SO ODD.

WAIT, WHAT KIND OF EVENT IS

THIS?

MY BIGGEST GRIPE OF THE NIGHT

WAS NOT WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP OR

WITH JOE BIDEN BUT WAS REALLY

WITH WHOEVER THE NETWORK

DECISION MAKERS WERE WHO DECIDED

TO PUT THEM HEAD-TO-HEAD.

THAT WAS A LOSS FOR THE AMERICAN

PEOPLE.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THEM BOTH

DOING A FORMAT LIKE THAT, BUT

WHY DO THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE

SAME NIGHT AT THE SAME TIME?

IT WAS NOT A WIN FOR OUR

DEMOCRACY.

>> WE'LL GET BACK TO THE BIGGER

PICTURE, BUT LET'S STAY ON THAT

FOR A SECOND.

AS SOMEBODY WHO LITERALLY NEEDS

TO AND WANTS TO WATCH EVERY

MINUTE OF THOSE, I WOULD MUCH

HAVE PREFERRED JUST MOVE ONE

BACK AN HOUR I WORKED FOR NBC

FOR A LOT OF YEARS.

THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THE DECISION

MAKERS WHEN I WAS THERE ARE NOT

THERE ANYMORE.

I HAVEN'T HEARD SOMEONE SAY IT

WAS MY DECISION, I DECIDED AND

HERE IS WHY.

MY THOUGHT WAS, OKAY, I CAN

UNDERSTAND THEY'RE BOTH FREE

THAT NIGHT BECAUSE ORIGINALLY

THEY BLOCKED THAT OUT FOR THIS.

THIS MAKES SENSE.

ONE GO AT 8:00, ONE GO AT 9:00.

WOULDN'T THAT MAKE SENSE?

MY OPINION, IT SADDENS ME THAT I

THINK SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T G ET TO

SEE IT.

AMY, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

DID IT BOTHER YOU?

>> THERE HAS BEEN SOME REPORTING

ON THIS.

THERE WAS SPECULATION THAT MAYBE

THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN MADE DOING

THIS COUNTERPROGRAMMING A

CONDITION OF DOING THE TOWN HALL

WITH NBC.

NBC SAID THAT'S NOT THE CASE,

THAT IT WAS THEIR DECISION, THEY

WANTED TO PROGRAM IT EXACTLY AS

THEY DID.

TO BE HONEST, JACK, I THINK THIS

IS JUST ALL INSIDE BASEBALL.

I THINK FOR MOST AMERICAN

VIEWERS, THEY'RE EITHER GOING TO

SEE THE CLIPS TODAY ON THEIR

MORNING NEWS OR THEIR EVENING

NEWS OR THEIR TWITTER FEED OR

FACEBOOK, AND THAT IS ACTUALLY I

THINK SERVED JOE BIDEN.

WATCHING JOE BIDEN FOR, WHAT, AN

HOUR AND A HALF, THAT SEEMS LIKE

A SNOOZE.

SO IF YOU GOT OFF SOME GOOD

LINES, GOT OFF SOME GOOD

MOMENTS, THEN HIS CAMPAIGN CAN

CLIP IT, PACKAGE IT, PUT IT IN A

CAMPAIGN AD, SHOOT IT OFF TO ALL

THEIR SUPPORTERS AND MAKE SURE

IT'S ON TODAY'S NEWS FEED, AND

THAT WORKS.

I THINK WE'RE CONSUMING

POLITICAL DEBATES AND POLITICAL

CONVERSATIONS IN A VERY

DIFFERENT WAY IN 2020, NOT JUST

BECAUSE OF COVID AND THE

PANDEMIC AND THAT WE'RE ALL ON

ZOOM AND DOING THESE THINGS

REMOTELY, BUT ALSO JUST BECAUSE

OF THE WAY THAT MEDIA IS, AND

THAT THESE CAMPAIGNS, THEY DO

TAKE THESE MOMENTS AND THEY DO

CHOP THEM UP AND PUT THEM IN

CAMPAIGN ADS.

PEOPLE ARE GETTING IT ON THEIR

iPHONES AND iPADS AND COMPUTERS

THE NEXT DAY.

IT'S JUST A REALLY DIFFERENT

WORLD.

I'M NOT THAT WORRIED ABOUT WHAT

HAPPENED LAST NIGHT, THAT YOU

HAD THEM HEAD-TO-HEAD AND PEOPLE

HAD TO CHOOSE ONE OR THE OTHER.

I THINK BASICALLY BY THE END OF

THE WEEK, WE'LL KNOW ALL THE

HIGHLIGHTS.

>> LET ME COME BACK THEN,

REVEREND, IF I CAN, SAME

QUESTION THAT I POSED TO AMY,

BIGGER PICTURE QUESTION AND

EXPECTATIONS, AND WE STARTED

TALKING ABOUT THAT.

FOR FORMER VICE PRESIDENT

BIDEN -- SO COMING INTO THIS,

WHAT DO YOU THINK THEN THE

EXPECTATIONS WERE FOR THIS

SESSION?

AND HOW DO YOU THINK THEY DID IN

TERMS OF THOSE BIGGER PICTURE

EXPECTATIONS?

>> WELL, THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN HAS

SPENT SEVERAL WEEKS, IF NOT

MONTHS, TRYING TO PAINT JOE

BIDEN AS AN OLD DOTTERING -- GUY

WHO DOESN'T KNOW HIS WAY

AROUND -- AND COMPLETELY

DEBUNKED THAT MYTH.

HE WAS CLEAR.

HE WAS PRECISE.

HE WAS ENGAGING.

HE WAS WARM EVEN AND WAS ABLE TO

ANSWER PEOPLE'S QUESTIONS IN

WHOLE SENTENCES, WITH COMPLETE

THOUGHTS AND WITH DETAIL.

TO THE EXTENT THAT FOLKS THIS

MORNING, SOME OF THE PUNDITS ARE

SAYING THAT IT'S -- IT WAS A

SNORE, IT WAS A SNOOZE -- YOU

KNOW WHAT?

AFTER LAST WEEK, PERHAPS WHAT WE

ALL NEED IS A BIT OF A

SNOOZE-FEST WITH SOMEONE NOT

MAKING NEWS BASED ON

PERSONALITY, BASED ON TEMPER

TANTRUMS, BUT WE HAD A GUY LAST

NIGHT WHO WAS STEADY, EVEN,

DETAILED AND ENGAGING AND THAT'S

WHAT HAPPENS WHAT THE AMERICAN

PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR RIGHT

NOW.

>> MY SENSE -- AMY, LET ME ASK

YOU IF YOU AGREE WITH THIS.

ADDS SOMEBODY WHO LOOKS AT

BIGGER PICTURES ON BOTH SIDES OF

THE AISLE.

MY SENSE IS THAT IS THE IDEAL

FORMAT FOR THE FORMER VICE

PRESIDENT, TO BE ABLE TO SIT AND

NOT COMPETE WITH SOMEBODY ELSE,

NOT BE RESTRICTED TO -- HE'S THE

FIRST ONE WHO WILL SAY TO YOU, I

CAN'T ANSWER A QUESTION IN TWO

MINUTES.

THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S NOT A CRITICISM.

THERE ARE A LOT OF US LIKE THAT,

THAT CAN'T ANSWER A QUESTION IN

TWO MINUTES.

IT SEEMED TO ME THAT THAT FORMAT

WORKED FOR HIM.

WHAT DO YOU THINK, AMY?

>> AS SOMEONE WHO STRETCHES MY

TWO MINUTES EVERY CHANCE I GET,

I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC.

BUT I THINK GEORGE

STEPHANOPOULOS COULD HAVE PUSHED

HIM A LOT MORE.

I REALLY LIKED SAVANNAH GUTHRIE

BEING SPICY AND PEPPERY AND

SPARRING WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP.

YOU KNOW, JACK, AS WELL AS I DO,

IF YOU HAVE THE PRESIDENT

SITTING IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU

WANT TO TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO

REALLY PRESS, AND U YOU'VE DONE

YOUR RESEARCH AND YOU WANT TO

GET THERE.

I LIKE THAT SAVANNAH GUTHRIE DID

THAT.

WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT YET,

BUT GEORGE STEPH NAP LAWS DIDN'T

ASK JOE BIDEN ABOUT ONE OF THE

BIGGEST STORIES OF THE WEEK

WHICH IS HIS SON HUNTER.

>> I WILL GET TO THAT.

I PROMISE I WILL GET TO THAT

WITH YOU.

>> I KNOW A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES

ARE COMPLAINING THAT THEY

THOUGHT SAVANNAH GUTHRIE WAS

INTERJECTING TOO MUCH AND SHE

SET HERSELF UP AS DONALD TRUMP'S

DEBATING PARTNER.

FOR ME, I LIEKTD IT.

I LIKED KEEPING THINGS MOVING,

KEEPING THAT CANDIDATE PRESSED

AND HAVING TO ANSWER AS

SPECIFICALLY AS YOU COULD.

T

I THOUGHT DONALD TRUMP ACTUALLY

SHINED.

IT WAS INTERESTING THAT NBC HAD

I THINK ALMOST ALL OF THE

QUESTIONERS, ALMOST ALL OF THEM

WERE WOMEN.

IT WAS CLEARLY A SETUP TO

CHALLENGE DONALD TRUMP THAT HE'S

NOT DOING WELL WITH WOMEN, NOT

DOING WELL WITH SUBURBAN WOMEN

IN PARTICULAR.

I THOUGHT HE HANDLED THOSE

QUESTIONS AND THOSE QUESTIONERS

VERY ADEPTLY AND WITH AGILITY,

AND IT WORKED REALLY WELL.

FOR JOE BIDEN BEING IN A SETTING

WHERE IT'S KIND OF COKIE AND

SLOW AND HE'S GOT GEORGE STEPH

NAP LAWS TOSSING THESE

SOFTBALLS, OF COURSE THAT'S

GREAT FOR JOE BIDEN.

I'D LIKE TO SEE JOE BIDEN IN A

SETTING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SAW

DONALD TRUMP WITH LAST NIGHT, A

REALLY AGGRESSIVE QUESTIONER,

REALLY PRESSING HIM AND PUTTING

HIS BACK TO THE WALL.

>> I SHOULD MENTION THAT

SAVANNAH IS A GOOD FRIEND OF

MINE, FORMER COLLEAGUE.

WHEN SHE WAS A YOUNG REPORTER

WORKING FOR COURT TV AND I WAS

ONE OF THE ANCHORS.

IT WAS THE FIRST TIME PEOPLE

LOOKED AT HER AND SAID, WOW,

SHE'S TALENTED.

SHE DID, AMY -- I MENTIONED

GEORGE STEPH NAP LAWS IS A GOOD

FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE.

WE WORKED TOGETHER.

CERTAINLY PEOPLE SAID, OKAY,

WHAT'S THE ROLE OF THESE

MODERATORS SUPPOSED TO BE?

ALL THREE OF US HAD THESE

CONVERSATIONS A COUPLE TIMES

ALREADY.

MY GUESS IS, IF YOU ASK PEOPLE

ON THE STREET, THEY'D SAY THE

ROLE OF THEM IS TO -- I'LL USE A

PHRASE THAT ONE OF MY MENTORS,

FRED FRIENDLY USED.

FRED FRIENDLY, REMEMBER, THE

CONSCIENCE OF JOURNALISM,

STARTED TELEVISION NEWS

ESSENTIALLY.

I REMEMBER HE SAID TO ME WHEN I

FIRST STARTED DOING THIS, YOUR

JOB IS TO BE A RESPECTFUL

SKEPTIC, AND EACH OF THOSE TWO

ELEMENTS IS AS IMPORTANT AS THE

OTHER.

AND I WATCHED BOTH THE

MODERATORS LAST NIGHT.

YOU MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS

AS TO HOW THEY EACH PERFORMED

AND SHOULD THEY HAVE DONE

SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY.

T

I THINK THEY WERE BOTH

RESPECTFUL.

THESE PEOPLE DESERVE RESPECT.

WHETHER YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR

PRESIDENT TRUMP OR NOT HE'S THE

PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

JOE BIDEN IS THE FORMER VICE

PRESIDENT.

I GOT THE SENSE THAT YOU GOT THE

SKEPTICAL AND RESPECTFUL

COMPONENTS.

DO YOU THINK, AND THIS GOES BACK

TO SOMETHING I MENTIONED BEFORE,

DO YOU THINK, AND I WOULD VOTE

YES ON THAT.

DO YOU THINK IN THE FUTURE WE

MIGHT SEE THESE SO-CALLED

DEBATES -- THEY'RE NOT DEBATES

BY ANY DEFINITION.

DO YOU THINK WE MIGHT SEE

FORMATS SHIFTING WHERE THE

COMMISSIONS RUNNING THIS MIGHT

SAY, LET'S DO THESE TYPES OF

THINGS, BECAUSE MAYBE PEOPLE

LEARN MORE ABOUT NOT JUST

CONTENT AND SUBSTANCE, BUT

PERSONALITY.

AM I LOOKING AT THIS DIFFERENTLY

AND ENHANCING THESE MORE THAN WE

SHOULD BE.

REVEREND, YOU FIRST.

>> I LIKED LAST NIGHT'S FORMAT

VERY MUCH.

I THINK IT REALLY GIVES THE

VOTERS AN IDEA, A CLOSE-UP VIEW

OF THE CANDIDATES, THEIR

TEMPERAMENT AND HOW THEY ANSWER

SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.

IT TAKES THEM OUT OF THIS FAKE

TWO-MINUTE FORMAT WHICH WHO CAN

ANSWER A QUESTION -- I'M A

PREACHER.

THERE'S NO WAY YOU ANSWER A

QUESTION IN TWO MINUTES.

SO IT GIVES THEM SOME TIME TO

REALLY UNPACK ISSUES.

AT THE SAME TIME IT GIVES THE

MODERATOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUSH

BACK, PEEL THE ONION AND GET US,

THE VOTERS SITTING ON OUR

COUCHES, THE ANSWERS THAT WE

NEED WITHOUT BEING CONSTRAINED

TO A CLOCK.

I THINK THE ONLY PURPOSE, THE

SIDE BY SIDES HAVE IS TO SEE

THEM UP AGAINST ONE ANOTHER AND

WHAT ANY PERS NALL, VISCERAL

REACTIONS MIGHT BE.

IN THE DAYS OF POLITICIANS,

ESPECIALLY AT THE LEVEL OF

RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, YOU'RE

PRETTY MUCH ABLE TO OR SHOULD BE

ABLE TO CONTROL VISCERAL

REACTIONS YOU HAVE TO SOMEONE

WHETHER YOU LIKE THEM OR NOT --

>> SHOULD BE ABLE TO.

UNFORTUNATELY WE SAW A COUPLE

WEEKS AGO --

>> WE SAW TWO WEEKS AGO THAT

THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN.

BUT I THINK LAST IT IN'S FORMAT

REALLY WORKS BEST FOR THE

AMERICAN PEOPLE.

>> AMY, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

LET ME MENTION FOR OUR VIEWERS,

TALKING WITH REVEREND LEAH

DAUGHTRY AND AMY HOLMES, TWO OF

OUR FAVORITE POLITICAL EXPERTS

ON ALL THIS.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?

>> I THINK WE RIGHT NOW HAVE

THIS GREAT BOUNTY OF UNIT ON

THIS Q

UNITY ON THIS QUESTION.

I LIKE THE ONE-ON-ONE AND LIKE

SEEING A WELL-INFORMED MODERATOR

INTERVIEWING THE CANDIDATE AND

OPENING IT OUT TO OUR FELLOW

CITIZENS, HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY

TO ASK QUESTIONS.

IN DEBATES PAST, PERHAPS YOU

REMEMBER LIKE CNN DID A FACEBOOK

OR TWITTER OR SOMETHING LIKE

THAT -- WE'LL GET TO FACEBOOK

AND TWITTER CENSORSHIP, WE WILL,

BUT WHERE THEY INVITED PEOPLE

ONLINE TO SUBMIT QUESTIONS.

THE MORE THAT WE CAN LEARN ABOUT

THESE CANDIDATES AS THEY'RE

BEING PRESSED BY FELLOW

CITIZENS, AND WE TALKED ABOUT

THIS BEFORE, UNCONVENTIONAL

MODERATORS, UNCONVENTIONAL

VOICES.

THAT REALLY SERVES THE PUBLIC

AND MAYBE LIKE THE YEAR 2020 IS

THE YEAR THAT THAT SIDE BY SIDE

DEBATING FORMAT WAS KIND OF JUST

LEFT IN THE DUST BIN AND WE'RE

READY TO MOVE FORWARD AND TRY

SOMETHING NEW.

>> I HAVE TO SAY, I WAS

IMPRESSED BY THE QUESTIONS POSED

BY THE CITIZENS THAT WERE THERE.

I THINK IT'S REASSURING AND

REFRESHING BOTH TO UNDERSTAND

THAT PEOPLE ARE PLUGGED INTO

THIS AND THEY'VE GOT REAL

QUESTIONS THERE, NOT DRUM

BEATING QUESTIONS, BUT REAL

QUESTIONS.

>> YOU REMEMBER THE DEBATE WITH

GEORGE BUSH SR. WHERE A CITIZEN

ASKED HIM THE PRICE OF MILK OR

THE PRICE OF EGGS AND HE DIDN'T

KNOW.

>> IT WAS A TELLING MOMENT.

>> IT WAS VERY REVEALING.

I WOULD SAY WITH THE SAVANNAH

GUTHRIE-TRUMP DISCUSSION, IT WAS

ALSO, THESE WERE THE ISSUES THAT

MATTERED TO THE MAINSTREAM

MEDIA, THAT MATTER TO TRUMP'S

CRITICS.

SHE STARTED OUT WITH COVID AND

WENT INTO THE WHITE SUPREMACY

ISSUE.

SO THOSE ARE SORT OF IN THAT

SILO.

AS A CONSERVATIVE, I WOULD LIKE

TO HEAR A DIFFERENT SET OF

QUESTIONS, BUT TRUMP AGREED TO

IT.

TRUMP AGREED TO IT AND SIT THERE

AND BE ON THE STAGE WITH NBC.

I WOULD ADD ONE MORE THING.

LOOKING AT THAT SET, MILLIONS OF

DOLLARS WENT INTO THAT SET.

IT WAS GORGEOUS.

ANYBODY WHO COMPLAINS ABOUT

AMERICAN DEMOCRACY, YOU DON'T

KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY THESE

NETWORKS ARE PAYING TO BRING YOU

CANDIDATES.

>> I HAVEN'T SEEN THE NUMBERS

YET FOR RATINGS.

REVEREND, GO AHEAD.

>> TO AMY'S POINT, I DO THINK

AROUND THE QUESTIONS, WE STILL

HAVE AMERICANS -- THE PRESIDENT

HIMSELF HAS JUST BEEN DECLARED

FIT AFTER HIS DIAGNOSIS WITH

COVID.

I THINK HER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS

VIRUS, THAT IT'S STILL RUNNING

RAMPANT IN OUR NATION AND THE

PRESIDENT'S OWN HEALTH AND HOW

HE'S NAVIGATING AND HOW HE'S NOW

RESPONDING IS NOT SOMETHING THAT

I THINK IS A CONSERVATIVE ISSUE

OR LIBERAL ISSUE, BUT IT'S WHERE

AMERICANS WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S

GOING ON.

IS THE PRESIDENT OKAY?

IS HE HEALTHY?

HOW IS HIS SON?

HOW IS HIS WIFE?

HOW DOES HIS DIAGNOSIS IMPACT

HOW HE'S THINKING ABOUT ALL THIS

GOING FORWARD.

>> WE HAVE TALKED BEFORE IN OUR

CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE FACT

THAT IT SEEMS LIKE THE VAST

MAJORITY OF VOTERS OUT THERE

HAVE MADE UP THEIR MIND, AND

PEOPLE ARE TELLING US THERE'S A

VERY SMALL GROUP OF UNDECIDEDS.

DO YOU THINK -- IT'S HARD FOR US

TO OBVIOUSLY KNOW FOR SURE.

GENERAL SENSE, DO YOU THINK

UNDECIDEDS MIGHT HAVE WALKED

AWAY FROM LAST NIGHT SAYING,

OKAY, I'VE GOT A MUCH BETTER

ABILITY NOW TO MAKE MY DECISION

HERE?

>> I THINK IT ADDED MAYBE A

LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION.

IF I KNEW THE ANSWER TO THAT, I

WOULD BE PAID MILLIONS OF

DOLLARS TO WORK ON A

PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.

I WOULD IMPRESS UPON OUR VIEWERS

THAT IN 2016 THE DIFFERENCE

BETWEEN HILLARY CLINTON AND

DONALD TRUMP BEING IN THE WHITE

HOUSE WAS ONLY 80,000 VOTES.

THAT'S IT.

MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN,

PENNSYLVANIA.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE

UNDECIDEDS AND THERE'S ONLY THIS

MANY, IT ONLY HAS TO BE THIS

MANY TO SEE WHO ENDS UP AT 1600

PENNSYLVANIA.

>> REVEREND, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH

THAT.

IF YOU ARE ALREADY IN SUBMIT,

YOU'RE STILL IN SUBMIT.

IF SUBMIT WAS HARDENING, THE

CEMENT IS STILL HARDENING.

IF THE CEMENT HASN'T BEEN POURED

FOR YOU, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING

THAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT BROUGHT

THE CEMENT TRUCK TO YOUR HOUSE.

>> I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A LITTLE

BIT LIKE A MAFIA HIT MAN.

>> NOT THE METAPHOR NECESSARILY

WE THOUGHT FROM A FAITH LEADER,

WHERE ARE YOU IN CEMENT OOCHS.

WE GET YOUR POINT.

>> I DON'T THINK IT CHANGED

ANYONE'S MIND.

I THINK IT GAVE PEOPLE MORE

INFORMATION.

SO WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT TAKES

US.

ALSO, LET'S FACE IT, THE FACT OF

THE MATTER IS THAT IN THIS CYCLE

ALREADY, NEARLY 10 MILLION

PEOPLE HAVE CAST VOTES VIA EARLY

VOTE, NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT

ABSENTEE BALLOTS.

BY COMPARISON IN 2016, AT THIS

SAME POINT ONLY 1.5 MILLION

PEOPLE HAD CAST THEIR VOTE --

AND WHO HAVE ALREADY VOTED.

>> TALKING ABOUT IMPACT ON

VOTING.

LET ME GET ONE THING IN QUICK IF

I CAN.

AMY, I WANT TO GET TO YOU ON

YOUR OTHER POINT.

I MENTIONED IN THE INTRODUCTION,

THE OTHER BIG NEWS OF THIS WEEK

HAS BEEN THE CONFIRMATION

HEARINGS BEFORE THE SENATE

JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, JUDGE AMY

CONEY BARRETT AND HER NOMINATION

TO THE U.S. SUPREME COURT.

DO YOU THINK THAT HEARING IS

GOING TO HAVE ANY REAL IMPACT ON

THE RED GROUP, THE UNDECIDED

GROUP WE'RE TALKING ABOUT,

WHAT'S TAKING PLACE, AMY?

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WILL

NECESSARILY HAVE AN IMPACT ON

UNDECIDEDS.

IT'S REVVING UP THE BASES.

IT'S REVVING UP DONALD TRUMP

SUPPORTERS WHO DID WANT TO SEE

HIM NOMINATE SOMEONE TO FILL

RUTH BADER GINSBURG'S SEAT.

ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE'S

POLLING THAT SHOWS THAT

DEMOCRATS, THEY'RE ALSO REVVED

UP TO SAY THE SUPREME COURT NOW

HAS BUMPED WAY UP THE LIST IN

TERMS OF PRIORITIES WHEN WE GO

TO THE POLLS ON NOVEMBER 3rd,

THAT WE SEE THAT WHO IS

PRESIDENT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE

WHEN IT COMES TO OUR JUDICIARY

AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

REVEREND, I DO WANT TO ASK YOU

THIS QUESTION, AND IT DOES TOUCH

UPON THE SUPREME COURT ISSUE

WHICH IS, IS EARLY VOTING SUCH A

GOOD THING WHEN THERE IS STILL

SO MUCH BREAKING NEWS?

RUTH BADER GINSBURG PASSING AWAY

AND THE PRESIDENT NOMINATING AMY

CONEY BARRETT.

WE'RE NOW SEEING THE HUNTER

BIDEN STORY BREAKING IN THE "NEW

YORK POST."

I'M NOT SO SURE I'M SO

SUPPORTIVE OF ALL THIS EARLY

VOTING WHEN THERE'S STILL A LOT

THAT CAN HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND

NOVEMBER 3rd THAT CAN CHANGE

YOUR MIND OR EITHER MAKE YOUR

VOTE FOR BIDEN OR TRUMP OR STAY

HOME.

>> REVEREND, I'M GOING TO ASK

YOU TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT

ADD ANOTHER ELEMENT WHICH WAS

VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN SAID LAST

NIGHT, LOOK, I'M NOT CERTAIN

ABOUT THIS ISSUE OF PACKING THE

COURT, BUT I WILL COME OUT WITH

MY POSITION BEFORE NOVEMBER 3rd.

SHOULD PEOPLE BE VOTING BASED ON

THAT?

>> I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE

ALREADY VOTED ARE PEOPLE, TO USE

MY EARLIER REFERENCES, DECIDED

AND THEY ARE VOTING FOR THEIR

CANDIDATE NO MATTER WHAT

HAPPENS.

BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE ALSO

SEEING IS THE EFFECTS OF THE

BROKENNESS OF OUR ELECTORAL

SYSTEM.

PEOPLE IN GEORGIA STOOD ONLINE

FOR EARLY VOTING FOR 11 HOURS.

SO WHEN YOU HAVE THIS KIND OF

SYSTEM WHERE PEOPLE ARE

CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER THEY

WILL BE ABLE TO VOTE IN A TIMELY

MANNER ON ELECTION DAY AND THEY

DON'T WANT TO WAIT, THEY KNOW

WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO,

THEY'VE DECIDED.

SO THEY'RE EXERCISING THE RIGHT

TO GO EARLY AND VOTE OR TO CAST

ABSENTEE BALLOTS IF THAT'S THEIR

CHOICE.

I THINK OVERALL ONE OF THE

BIGGEST TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS

CYCLE AND IN 2016 IS WE'VE GOT

TO FIX OUR ELECTION SYSTEM.

NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO STAND IN

LINE 11 HOURS TO CAST THEIR

VOTE.

>> WHETHER REPUBLICAN,

DEMOCRATIC OR INDEPENDENT.

I'VE GOT A MINUTE LEFT HERE.

SO A QUICK QUESTION, 30 SECONDS

FROM EACH OF YOU.

ARE WE GOING TO SEE ANOTHER --

PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE NEXT WEEK?

WHAT DO WE THINK, AMY?

>> I HAVE NO IDEA.

I HOPE SO, AND I HOPE IT WORKS

OUT.

WE SAW THAT STEVE SCULLY HAD A

LITTLE BIT OF PROBLEM.

BUT I DO WANT TO TELL OUR

VIEWERS, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK

PEOPLE APPRECIATE THIS, I DON'T

KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A

RESULT NOVEMBER 3rd.

WISCONSIN, FOR EXAMPLE, DOESN'T

EVEN START COUNTING THOSE

ABSENTEE BALLOTS UNTIL 8:00 P.M.

ELECTION NIGHT.

>> THE THREE OF US WILL HAVE A

LOT OF TIME TO TALK TO FILL THAT

GAP.

REVEREND, LAST THOUGHT, 15, 20

SECONDS HERE.

>> I THINK WE SHOULD BE PREPARED

THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG

ELECTION NIGHT.

WE SHOULD STOP CALLING IT'S LEX

DAY AND CALL IT'S LEX SEASON.

THE POINT IS THAT EVERY VOTE

MATTERS.

EVERY VOTE SHOULD BE COUNTED.

SO I WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE

VOTE, WHETHER YOU'RE VOTING

EARLY, BY ABSENTEE OR ON

ELECTION DAY.

>> MAKE SURE YOU VOTE.

>> MAKE SURE YOU VOTE.

>> REVEREND, DR. AMY HOLMES,

ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO TALK WITH

YOU.

WE'LL TALK SOON.

YOU BOTH BE WELL.

THANK YOU, JACK.

>> THANK YOU.

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