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MetroFocus: November 1, 2017

New York is reeling after a rental truck drove into a pedestrian and bike path in Lower Manhattan, killing eight people and leaving 11 others injured. The American Muslim community reacts. Federal law enforcement authorities have now taken the lead on the investigation of the attack on Downtown Manhattan.

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>>> TONIGHT ON "METROFOCUS" --

NEW YORK REELS AFTER THE WORST

TERROR ATTACK SINCE 9/11 LEAVES

EIGHT DEAD AND NINE INJURED.

WHO IS THE SUSPECT, DID HE ACT

ALONE AND WAS THIS A SUICIDE

MISSION GONE WRONG?

PLUS THE HERO COP WHO STOPPED

THE ATTACK AND REACTION FROM THE

AMERICAN MUSLIM COMMUNITY.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE AS

"METROFOCUS" STARTS RIGHT NOW.

♪♪

>>> THIS IS "METROFOCUS."

WITH RAFAEL PI ROMAN, JACK FORD

AND JENNA FLANAGAN.

FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM WAS

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YOUR RETIREMENT COMPANY.

AND BY PSG & E, INVESTING IN THE

FUTURE.

>> THIS WAS AN ACT OF TERROR.

AND A PARTICULARLY COWARDLY ACT

OF TERROR.

AIMED AT INNOCENT CIVILIANS,

AIMED AT PEOPLE GOING ABOUT

THEIR LIVES WHO HAD NO IDEA WHAT

WAS ABOUT TO HIT THEM.

>> GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO "METROFOCUS."

I'M JENNA FLANAGAN.

IT WAS THE WORST TERROR ATTACK

IN NEW YORK CITY SINCE 9/11.

EIGHT PEOPLE DEAD AND ANOTHER 11

SERIOUSLY INJURED AFTER A RENTAL

TRUCK PLOWED DOWN A RIVER FRONT

BIKE PATH NOT FAR FROM WHERE THE

TWIN TOWERS ONCE STOOD.

THE SUSPECT SAYFULLO SAIPOV A

29-YEAR-OLD UBER DRIVER FROM NEW

JERSEY WHO CAME TO THE U.S.

LEGALLY FROM UZBEKISTAN IN 2010.

HE IS MARRIED WITH TWO CHILDREN.

ACCORDING TO WITNESSES, HE

SCREAMED ALLAHU AKBAR, ARABIC

FOR GOD IS GREAT AS HE EXITED

THE TRUCK, BRANDISHING AIR AND

PELLET GUNS AND A KNIFE WAS

FOUND IN THE TRUCK ALONG WITH

NOTES THAT SOURCES SAY ISIS LIVE

FOREVER.

THAT SAID THE AUTHORITIES ARE

TREATING IT AS ONE INSPIRED

ATTACKER, A LONE WOLF.

THE SUSPECT IN CRITICAL BUT

STABLE CONDITION AFTER POLICE

SHOT HIM IN THE ABDOMEN, BUT

ACCORDING TO WNBC, BOASTING

ABOUT THE CARNAGE HE INFLICTED.

SOURCES SAY A REVIEW OF HIS

SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS SHOW HE

WAS ACTIVELY READING ISIS AND

TERROR RELATED PROPAGANDA

ONLINE.

NOW THE VICTIMS.

FIVE WERE VISITING FROM

ARGENTINA, CELEBRATING THE 30th

ANNIVERSARY OF THEIR HIGH SCHOOL

GRADUATION.

ANOTHER VICTIM WAS VISITING NEW

YORK FROM BELGIUM.

PRESIDENT TRUMP TWEETED IN

RESPONSE -- I HAVE JUST ORDERED

HOMELAND SECURITY TO STEP UP OUR

ALREADY EXTREME VETTING PROGRAM.

BEING POLITICALLY CORRECT IS

FINE BUT NOT FOR THIS.

THE PRESIDENT WENT ON TO

CRITICIZE NEW YORK'S SENIOR

SENATOR VIA TWITTER.

THE TERRORISTS CAME INTO OUR

COUNTRY THROUGH WHAT IS CALLED

THE DIVERSITY VISA LOTTERY

PROGRAM, A CHUCK SCHUMER BEAUTY.

WE ARE FIGHTING HARD FOR NO MORE

DEMOCRATIC LOTTERY SYSTEMS.

WE MUST GET MUCH TOUGHER AND

SMARTER AND THEN HE TWEETED A

COAT FROM TONY SCHAFER.

SCHUMER IS HELPING TO IMPORT

EUROPE'S PROBLEMS AND THE

PRESIDENT ADDED WE'LL STOP THIS

CRAZINESS.

ALL OF THE TWEETS INCLUDED THE

TWITTER HANDLE FOR THE FOX NEWS

MORNING SHOW "FOX & FRIENDS."

SCHUMER RELEASED A STATEMENT AND

SPOING TO THE PRESIDENT.

I HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVE AND

CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THAT

IMMIGRATION IS GOOD FOR AMERICA.

PRESIDENT TRUMP INSTEAD OF

POLITICIZING AND DIVIDING

AMERICA WHICH HE ALWAYS SEEMS TO

DO AT TIMES OF NATIONAL TRAGEDY

SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON THE REAL

SOLUTION ANTI-TERRORISM FUNDING

WHICH HE PROPOSED CUTTING IN HIS

MOST RECENT BUDGET.

THIS MORNING THE PRESIDENT OF

UZBEKISTAN SENT HIS CONDOLENCES

TO THE PRESIDENT AND OFFERED

ASSISTANCE IN THE INVESTIGATION.

MEANWHILE, JEFF FLAKE TWEETED A

RESPONSE TO THE PRESIDENT.

ACTUALLY, THE GANG OF 8

INCLUDING SENATOR SCHUMER DID

AWAY WITH THE DIVERSITY VISA

PROGRAM AS PART OF BORDER

REFORMS.

I KNOW.

I WAS THERE.

NOW QUESTIONS REMAIN.

SO WHAT WAS THE ASSAILANT'S

MOTIVATION?

WAS THIS ATTACK PLANNED?

AND WHAT WAS GOING ON BEHIND THE

SCENES TO KEEP US SAFE?

AND JOINING ME NOW WITH INSIGHT

IS RETIRED NYPD LIEUTENANT DR.

DARRIN PORCHER.

WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM.

>> AS ALWAYS, IT'S A PLEASURE,

BUT THESE ARE UNFORTUNATE

CIRCUMSTANCES.

>> THESE ARE INCREDIBLE

UNFORTUNATE CIRCUMSTANCES.

REALLY RATTLED.

I WANT TO ASK YOU, WHAT IT IS

THAT WE AS NEW YORKERS CAN START

TO EXPECT TO SEE AROUND THIS

CITY NOW THAT THIS MOST RECENT

TERROR ATTACK HAS TAKEN PLACE?

>> WELL, I DON'T THINK THIS WAS

RANDOM.

I DON'T THINK THIS WAS AN -- I

DON'T THINK THAT THIS WAS A

POORLY PLANNED ATTACK.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THIS

INDIVIDUAL HAD BEEN WORKING ON

FOR A NUMBER OF WEEKS.

NOW WHEN WE TAKE INTO

CONSIDERATION HOW CAN WE FORTIFY

A CITY OF 8 1/2 MILLION PEOPLE

FROM TERRORIST ATTACKS IT'S A

MULTIFACETED APPROACH.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD

MENTION -- ONE OF THE THINGS

THAT I WOULD FOCUS ON IS

OMNIPRESENCE.

IF A TERRORIST KNOWS THERE'S A

POLICE OFFICER IN A PARTICULAR

PLACE OR LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT IS

THERE TO THWART THAT ATTACK,

THEY'LL LESS LIKELY TO TARGET

THAT SOURCE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD

RECOMMEND IS DRONES.

WHEN WE THINK OF THE

TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENTS IN

SOCIETY, POLICE DEPARTMENTS OR

LAW ENFORCEMENT NEED TO STAY

ABREAST OF THE SAME

TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENTS.

YOU CAN HAVE A DRONE THAT CAN

COVER A MILE OR TWO -- HALF A

MILE TO A MILE AND GAIN A LOT OF

INTELLIGENCE AND TRANSMIT THAT

INFORMATION TO RESPOND TO

OFFICERS IF NECESSARY.

BECAUSE WE HAVE ONLY 38,000

POLICE OFFICERS IN THE NYPD.

38,000 POLICE OFFICERS ARE

RESPONSIBLE FOR POLICING AN AREA

OF 365 SQUARE MILES.

AND WITH THE 8 1/2 MILLION

PEOPLE THAT OCCUPY THAT SPACE.

THE DRONE WOULD LESSEN THE LOAD

ON THE OFFICERS AND IT WOULD BE

AN ADDITIONAL RESOURCE THAT

POLICE OFFICERS CAN USE TO

GATHER INTELLIGENCE AND THWART

ANY POSSIBLE TERRORIST ATTACK.

SO WHEN WE TAKE INTO

CONSIDERATION WHAT HAPPENED WITH

THIS INDIVIDUAL IN TERMS OF THE

TERRORIST ATTACK ON THE WEST

SIDE HIGHWAY, ONE OF THE THINGS

THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND WOULD BE

THE STEEL BALANCE.

THAT'S LIKE BARRIERS SO TO SPEAK

THAT LINE THE PERIMETER OF A

SIDEWALK.

WHEN WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION

WHAT HAPPENED A COUPLE OF MONTHS

AGO IN THE TIMES SQUARE AREA, WE

HAD AN INDIVIDUAL THAT RAN OVER

SEVERAL PEOPLE, BUT WHAT STOPPED

HIM IS THE STEEL BALANCE.

THERE'S A PLAN TO PROLIFERATE IT

THROUGHOUT MANHATTAN AND IT'S

SOMETHING THAT WILL TAKE SOME

TIME.

BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN AND

WILL GET DONE.

IF WE HAD THE STEEL BALINS WOULD

THE ATTACK HAVE HAPPENED IT

WOULD HAVE LESSENED THE CARNAGE.

THE SECOND PIECE IS WE NEED A

VIABLE PUBLIC THAT CAN INTRODUCE

THIS INFORMATION TO LAW

ENFORCEMENT.

SUCH AS WHO'S DOING WHAT AND HOW

THEY'RE DOING IT.

THIS ISLAMIC POPULATION THEY

FEEL THEIR VOICES ARE NOT BEING

HEART AND THEY QUOTE/UNQUOTE

DON'T HAVE A VOICE.

SO OFTENTIMES THAT CAN LEAD TO

THE SENSE OF RADICALIZATION, SO

TO SPEAK.

SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS A

POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE

COMMUNITY, WE NEED TO FORGE THE

SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN

THE POLICE COMMUNITY AND THE

ISLAMIC COMMUNITY, SO IF THERE'S

CHATTER SO TO SPEAK THAT

INFORMATION WOULD BE GIVEN TO

LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THE AVERAGE PERSON THAT'S A

MUSLIM IS DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED

TO RADICALIZATION AND THEY'LL DO

ANYTHING TO ERADICATE THIS.

>> PREVIOUSLY ON THE SHOW WE

HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE

VULNERABILITY OF SOFT TARGETS IN

THE CITY.

THINGS LIKE MADISON SQUARE

GARDEN OR THE BARK CLAYS CENTER.

BUT THIS WAS MORE OF A GATHERING

OF PEOPLE.

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S NOW

BECOMING A TREND WHERE MORE

RANDOM GATHERING OF PEOPLE IS

MORE IMPORTANT THAN PERHAPS THE

SIGNIFICANCE OF THE SPECIFIC

LOCATION?

>> WELL, WHEN WE TAKE INTO

CONSIDERATION THE IDEOLOGY OF

TERRORISM IS TO INSTILL FEAR IN

A POPULATION IF YOU'RE

UNCOMFORTABLE OR YOU

QUOTE/UNQUOTE FEEL UNSAFE GOING

INTO CERTAIN PUBLIC ASSEM

AMBULANCES THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE

SUCCESSFUL.

IF A TERRORIST BELIEVES HE OR

SHE TARGETS THAT PARTICULAR

VENUE IT WILL LESSEN THE

PEDESTRIAN FLOW BY ALL MEANS

IT'S A SUCCESSFUL ATTACK.

SO WE NEED TO LET THE TERRORIST

KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT IN ANY

WAY, SHAPE OR FORM WILL WE BE

DETERRED BY THE NORMAL COMINGS

AND GOINGS.

AND WHAT I WANT TO APPLAUSE de

BLASIO FOR IS THEY WENT AHEAD

WITH THE HALLOWEEN CELEBRATIONS.

THE SAME HOLDS TRUE WITH THE

MARATHON THAT'S GOING TO RUN

THIS SUNDAY.

THERE WAS STILL MOVE -- THEY'RE

STILL MOVING FORWARD AS NEW

YORKERS BECAUSE WE'RE BIGGER AND

BETTER THAN THAT AND THAT

IDEOLOGY OF TERRORISM ASK TO

INSTILL FEAR IN THE POPULATION

AND WE NEED TO GO IN THE

OPPOSITE DIRECTION AND SHOW THE

TERRORISTS THAT WE'RE NOT

AFRAID, THAT WE'LL CONTINUE OUT

OF NORMAL COMINGS AND GOINGS AS

WE SEE FEASIBLE.

>> DR. PORCHER, I WANT TO ASK

YOU ABOUT THE WAY THAT THE

POLICE DEPARTMENT HANDLED THIS

SITUATION.

NOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF

TENSION BETWEEN THE WAY THE

POLICE DEPARTMENT HANDLE RANDOM

PEOPLE WHO THEY THINK ARE

DANGEROUS, BUT THIS GENTLEMAN

WAS ONLY WOUNDED AND HE'LL BE

ABLE TO LIVE AND GIVE MORE

INFORMATION TO POLICE AS THEY

CONTINUE THEIR INVESTIGATION.

CAN YOU TELL ME MORE ABOUT THE

WAY THAT THE SITUATION WAS

HANDLED?

>> THERE'S BECOME AN ACRIMONIOUS

RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN POLICE AND

THE COMMUNITIES OF COLOR FOR

SOME TIME AND ONE OF THE THINGS

WE GO BACK TO THE FLOYD VERSUS

CITY OF NEW YORK, THE STOP AND

FRISK LAWSUIT, THAT A

DISPROPORTIONATELY HIGHER NUMBER

OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND LATINOS

WERE STOPPED AND FRISKED.

SO THERE'S WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE

DONE ON BOTH SIDES, HOWEVER, THE

POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS

DRASTICALLY REMOVED THE NUMBER

OF STOPS AND FRISKS AND IT'S

KIND OF LEADING TOWARD THE

POLICING COMMUNITY RELATIONSHIP

THAT NEEDS TO BE REBIRTHED.

WE LOOK AT A IS SITUATION LIKE

THIS, I THINK ANYONE AND

EVERYONE WOULD TRULY BELIEVE

THAT THE OFFICER FORCE HE

UTILIZED WAS THE MINIMAL.

WE HAD AN ASSAILANT THAT STEPPED

OUT WITH TWO WEAPONS BELIEVED TO

BE A FIREARMS.

HE HAD A PAINT BALL GUN IN ONE

HAND AND THE B-B GUN.

AND THE COMMON OFFICER WOULD

PERCEIVE AS SOMEONE WHO CAN

INFLICT DEADLY FORCE ON

CIVILIANS.

ANOTHER PERSON WE NEED TO PAY --

WE NEED TO GIVE ACCOLADES TO WAS

THE BUS DRIVER.

THE BUS DRIVER DID AN AMAZING

THING BY RAMMING HIS BUS INTO

THE TERRORIST VEHICLE.

SO THE COMBINATION OF THE

OFFICER AND THE BUS DRIVER

PROTECTED US AS CITIZENS IN THE

CITY OF NEW YORK.

SO GOING BACK TO THE USE OF

FORCE THAT WAS EMPLOYED BY THIS

OFFICER, I THINK IT WAS

TREMENDOUS BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE

NOW IS A SUSPECT THAT IS STILL

ALIVE, THAT WE CAN ELICIT

INTELLIGENCE FROM TO DETERMINE

AFTER OTHERS THAT -- IF OTHERS

ARE COMPLICIT IN THIS ATTACK.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSIGHT

INTO THE INNER WORKINGS.

THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT.

>>> WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY WAS

NOT OKAY.

IT WILL NEVER BE SOMETHING ANY

OF US WILL JUST ACCEPT AS

INEVITABLE.

SINCE 9/11 WE AGAIN ALONG WITH

OUR PARTNERS AT THE LOCAL, STATE

AND FEDERAL LEVEL HAVE DISRUPTED

OR PREVENTED TWO DOZEN PLOTS

AGAINST NEW YORK CITY.

COUNTLESS LIVES HAVE BEEN SAVED

BUT NONE OF THAT MATTERS WHEN

EIGHT INNOCENT LIVES ARE TAKEN

BY A CRIMINAL COMMITTING A

COWARDLY ACT DRIVING A RENTAL

TRUCK.

WE'RE WORKING HARD TO GET TO THE

BOTTOM OF EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED

YESTERDAY AND WHY.

AND WE'RE WORKING TIRELESSLY TO

PREVENT ANYTHING LIKE THIS FROM

GETTING REPEATED.

I'LL TELL YOU AS OFTEN AS I CAN

THAT TRUE PUBLIC SAFETY IS A

SHARED RESPONSIBILITY.

>> POLICE COMMISSIONER O'NEILL

SHARING HIS THOUGHTS ON

YESTERDAY'S TERRORIST ATTACK.

THE INCIDENT MAY BE OVER, BUT

MUSLIM-AMERICANS ARE HOPING

THERE IS NO BACKLASH AGAINST

THEIR COMMUNITY.

JOINING ME NOW IS MUHAMMAD

CHOUDARYS FROM THE AM DEE YA

MUSLIM COMMUNITY.

WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU

FIRST HEARD OF THE TERRORIST

ATTACK IN LOWER MANHATTAN?

>> WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THE

TERRORIST ATTACK THE FIRST

REACTION WAS A DEEP SENSE OF

LOSS AND MOURNING OF AN AMERICAN

BECAUSE IT WAS NOT TOO FAR FROM

THE WORLD TRADE CENTER AND I

VIVIDLY RECALL THAT MEMORY AS

WELL AND NOW THIS TO HAPPEN IN

NEW YORK CITY, A CITY I LOVE,

WAS A DEEP SENSE OF LOSS.

THEN LAST NIGHT WHEN I SHOWED UP

TO THE SITE, I FELT -- I FELT

THE PAIN OF NOT ONLY NEW YORKERS

BUT I FELT THE PAIN OF MUSLIMS.

I FELT THE PAIN OF EVERYONE WHO

CAN SENSE THAT THIS -- THAT THIS

WAS A SENSELESS ACT AND OUR

DEEPEST CONDOLENCES TO THE

VICTIMS, THEIR FAMILIES.

I CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW TAKING A

FRIENDLY BIKE RIDE ONE AFTERNOON

AND THEN THIS HAPPENS IS JUST

HORRIFIC.

>> WE HAVE HEARD A LOT OF

REACTION FROM ALL DIFFERENT

LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT.

AT THE CITY LEVEL IT'S BEEN

CALLED A LONE WOLF ATTACK.

AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL THE

PRESIDENT HAS INDICATED THAT

THIS IS PART OF A LARGER, WIDER

TERRORIST PROBLEM.

IT'S A LOT TO UNPACK HERE, BUT

MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHAT IS IT

THAT YOU WOULD WANT PEOPLE TO

KNOW AND UNDERSTAND ABOUT MUSLIM

IMMIGRANTS AND MUSLIM-AMERICANS?

>> SO AS A MEMBER OF THE MUSLIM

COMMUNITY, WE'RE THE LARGEST

MUSLIM COMMUNITY IN AMERICA.

WE HAVE OVER 75 CHAPTERS AND IN

THE WORLD WE HAVE A WORLDWIDE

LEADER SO CONTEXT AND LEADERSHIP

MATTERS IN THIS.

LEADERSHIP IN THE WHITE HOUSE, I

BELIEVE OUR PRESIDENT IS

LEARNING ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS,

INCLUDING ISLAM.

I FEEL AND WE FEEL THAT HIS

UNDERSTANDING OF ISLAM IS

INCOMPLETE RIGHT NOW.

IF HE UNDERSTOOD WHAT TRUE ISLAM

REALLY WAS, HE WOULD NOT HAVE

THE TONE THAT HE HAS.

HE WOULD NOT BE ATTACKING A

RELIGION.

HE WOULD BE TAKING ON THE

EXTREMISTS OF ALL FORMS AROUND

SIZES.

ONE OF THE WAYS HE CAN DO THAT,

IF HE CAN TURN TO THE LARGEST

MUSLIM LEADER IN THE WORLD, THE

HOLINESS IN ISLAM.

HE HAS SPOKEN OUT TIRELESSLY

AGAINST THESE EXTREMISTS AND THE

WAY HE'S DONE IT IS A COUPLE OF

WAYS.

ONE IS HE HAS SAID THAT OUR

MOSQUES SHOULD BE OPEN.

AND POLICE SHOULD COME INTO ALL

OF OUR MOSQUES IN AMERICA AND

EUROPE AND BEYOND.

BECAUSE TRANSPARENCY LEADS TO

TRUST.

SECONDLY, HE HAS SAID THAT IN

ORDER TO HAVE PEACE IN THE

WORLD, IF WE ALL WANT PEACE, ME

MUST ALL ACT WITH JUSTICE.

WE MUST FOLLOW THE EXAMPLES OF

THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD.

WE MUST WANT FOR OTHERS WHAT WE

WANT FOR OURSELVES.

IF THE PRESIDENT UNDERSTANDS

FROM A TRUE LEADER WHAT NEEDS TO

HAPPEN, I BELIEVE HE'D HAVE A

DIFFERENT OPINION OF ISLAM.

THIRDLY, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD

THAT IN AMERICA BECAUSE MUSLIMS

ARE AGAINST EXTREMISM, BECAUSE

97% OF THE PEOPLE KILLED BY

THESE EXTREMISTS ARE MUSLIMS,

THIS IS NOT A WAR AGAINST

ANOTHER RELIGION.

THIS IS AN IDEOLOGY.

WE HAVE LAUNCHED A CAMPAIGN

CALLED TRUE ISLAM AT

TRUEISLAM.COM.

AND WE TOOK THE 11 POINTS THAT

THE EXTREMISTS USED TO

MANIPULATE THE YOUTH IN

PARTICULAR AND WE'RE PROVIDING

THE TRUE NARRATIVE.

EVERY NIGHT STARTING TONIGHT

WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE

UNDERSTAND ISLAM.

IF WE CAN ADDRESS THE ROOT CAUSE

OF THE ISSUE NOT ONLY WITH

MUSLIMS AND WITH ISLAMOPHOBES,

AND WITH AVERAGE AMERICANS WHO

WANT TO UNDERSTAND ISLAM THAT'S

THE WAY WE'LL END THE EXTREMISM

AND KEEP NEW YORKERS AND

AMERICANS SAFE.

>> THAT'S INCREDIBLY WON'T THAT

YOU TALK ABOUT REACHING OUT AND

STARTING THE DIALOGUE.

WILL THERE BE ANY INTENT OR

REACHING OUT FROM YOUR

ORGANIZATION OR SUCH TO THIS

PARTICULAR YOUNG MAN'S FAMILY?

AS WE KNOW HE HAS YOUNG CHILDREN

AND A WIFE.

THEY MIGHT BE SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE

SAME IDEOLOGY THAT HE FELL

VICTIM TO.

>> YOU KNOW, THE EXTREMIST

IDEOLOGY THAT PEOPLE HAVE IS

ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, WE

HAVE OVER A HUNDRED YEAR PROVEN

MODEL.

NO ONE CAN CLAIM THAT IN ISLAM

SO ABSOLUTELY, WE ARE REACHING

OUT TO ALL MUSLIMS INCLUDING

THIS YOUNG MAN AND HIS FAMILY AS

WELL.

BECAUSE AS AMERICANS, WE WANT TO

PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING.

THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE

THAT THIS IS ISLAM IS THE

EXTREMISTS AND THE ISLAMOPHOBES.

BOTH OF THOSE WOULD WHEN FIT

FROM THIS.

THE EXTREMISTS BENEFIT BECAUSE

YOU SAY IF IT'S ISLAM THEY CAN

RECRUIT MORE.

FOR THE ISLAMOPHOBES IT'S

PROPAGANDA.

SO WE NEED TO ADDRESS BOTH SIDES

OF THAT.

BUT TO END EXTREMISM WE MUST END

IT ALL.

TERRORISM IS WHITE SUPREMACY AND

WE NEED TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE

THINGS.

AND COME TOGETHER AS AMERICANS,

NOT CALL OUT A RELIGION, A RACE.

>> THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT

THAT WE ARE ALL NEW YORKERS.

WE ARE ALL AMERICANS.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, I WANT TO ASK

WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO ANY OF THE

YOUNG MUSLIM-AMERICAN CHILDREN

WHO MIGHT BE FEELING ANXIETY

RIGHT NOW KNOWING THAT THIS

ATTACK ALBEIT WRONGLY DID HAPPEN

IN THE NAME OF THEIR RELIGION?

>> SO I HAVE 6-YEAR-OLD TWINS

WHO LOVE NEW YORK CITY AND THEY

LOVE COMING TO COLUMBUS CIRCLE,

CENTRAL PARK AND RIDING THEIR

BIKES AS WELL.

WHAT I TELL THEM IS THAT FIRST

THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND ISLAM.

MAKE SURE THAT THEY -- IN ORDER

TO PREVENT THEM FROM BEING

RADICALIZED THEY NEED TO

UNDERSTAND WHAT TRUE ISLAM IS

AND THEY CAN DO THAT AT THE

WEBSITE.

SECONDLY, WHEN THEY GO TO SCHOOL

THEY NEED TO HAVE THE

CONVERSATION WITH THEIR

TEACHERS.

WITH THEIR COMMUNITY LEADERS,

WITH THEIR BUS DRIVERS.

SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO

EDUCATE INDIVIDUALS.

AND I THINK THE MORE THE

INDIVIDUALS AROUND THEM ARE

EDUCATED, THE MORE LIKELY THEY

ARE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT TRUE

ISLAM IS.

I KNOW MANY YOUTH VERY YOUNG, 6,

7, 8-YEAR-OLD YOUTH WHO

UNDERSTAND THIS NOT AGAINST

THEIR RELIGION.

WHEN THEY HEAR ABOUT ISLAM THAT

ALLOWS THEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT

AND THEN COME TOGETHER AS A

FAMILY.

BECAUSE WE'RE ALL AMERICANS.

>> WELL, MOHAMMED CHOUDARY,

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US

ON THE PROGRAM.

IT WAS A PLEASURE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>>> THERE'S NO EVIDENCE TO

SUGGEST A WIDER PLOT OVER A

WIDER SCHEME.

BUT THE ACTIONS OF ONE

INDIVIDUAL WHO MEANT TO CAUSE

PAIN AND HARM AND PROBABLY DEATH

AND THE RESULTING TERROR.

>> THAT WAS GOVERNOR CUOMO

REACTING TO YESTERDAY'S TERROR

ATTACK.

FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT

AUTHORITIES HAVE NOW TAKEN THE

LEAD IN THE INVESTIGATION.

WITH INSIGHTS INTO THE NEXT

STEPS ON A BROAD DALE, FORMER

NEW YORK STATE HOMELAND SECURITY

OFFICIAL MICHAEL BALBONI.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN

REPORTED THIS YOUNG MAN HAD BEEN

PLANNING THIS ATTACK FOR WEEKS.

WHY WAS IT THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT

OR FEDERAL AUTHORITIES WEREN'T

ABLE TO PREVENT IT OR STOP IT?

>> SO ONE OF THE PUBLIC

MISCONCEPTIONS IS THAT WE CAN

TRULY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON ANY

TIME, ANYWHERE.

THAT'S REALLY NOT THE CASE.

IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THIS TYPE

OF ATTACK, ALL THAT REQUIRES

IS -- WHAT THIS GUY DID.

GO TO THE HOME DEPOT, DRIVE INTO

THE CITY AND COMMIT THE ACT.

THERE'S NO SPECIFIC SKILL SET,

AND IT'S DONE IN A RANDOM KIND

OF WAY.

THEREFORE, PICKING IT UP BEFORE

IT HAPPENS IS VERY, VERY

DIFFICULT.

IN ADDITION, THE PRECURSOR

ACTIVITIES, NONE OF THEM ARE

CRIMES.

YOU KNOW, RENTING A TRUCK IS NOT

A CRIME.

THE CRIME DOESN'T HAPPEN UNTIL

HE COMES INTO CONTACT WITH THE

INDIVIDUALS -- THE VICTIMS.

OF COURSE YOU THEN HAVE TO PROVE

INTENT.

SO PEOPLE HAVE THIS PERSPECTIVE

THAT IT'S LIKE THE SHOW "24."

WE HAVE EVERYBODY ON CAMERA.

WE KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE

THINKING.

WE DON'T.

SO WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT NOW

IS TO DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

GOING THROUGH ALL OF THE DIGITAL

FOOTPRINTS.

WHO HE IS TALKING TO?

AND THEN COMPARING THAT TO WHAT

INFORMATION ALREADY EXISTS AND

LINK ANALYSIS AS TO WHO'S IN THE

CIRCLE OF PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE

BEEN SURVEILLING.

NOT SO MUCH FOR WHETHER OR NOT

THEY HELPED HIM BUT ALSO HAVE

THEY HELPED IN THE

RADICALIZATION OF HIM, HAVE THEY

GIVEN HIM IDEAS?

ONE OF THE THINGS I FOCUS ON IS

TARGETING.

SO HE IS IN NEW JERSEY.

FIRST OF ALL, WHY DID HE RENT A

TRUCK, HE HAD A VAN.

HE PASSED A LOT OF SCHOOL BUSES,

HE'S PASSED A LOT OF SCHOOLS A

LOT OF POPULATION CENTERS.

WHY DIDN'T HE USE THAT?

WHY DIDN'T HE GO TO THIS

PARTICULAR -- WHY DID HE GO TO

THIS PARTICULAR SPOT AND TARGET

THE INDIVIDUALS THERE?

IT'S ONE OF THE MANY QUESTIONS

THAT ARE GOING TO BE EXPLORED AS

THE INVESTIGATION UNFOLDS.

>> WELL, SPEAKING OF EXPLORING

AS THE INVESTIGATION UNFOLDS IS

FINDING SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT BE

INCLINED TO THIS KIND OF ATTACK

LIKE FINDING A NEEDLE IN A HAY

STACK OR ARE THERE JUST TOO MANY

NEEDLES IN THE HAY STACK?

>> WELL, THE PHRASE I LIKE TO

UTILIZE IS THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT A

NEEDLE IN THE HAY STACK, BUT A

NEEDLE IN THE HAY STACK OF

NEEDLES IN THAT THERE'S SO MUCH

INFORMATION.

AND WHAT WE'RE VERY -- IT'S VERY

CHALLENGING TO TRY TO DO.

TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHEN

SOMEONE GOES FROM THAT

ASPIRATIONAL PHASE TO THE

OPERATIONAL PHASE, WHERE THEY

DECIDE TO TAKE MATTERS INTO

THEIR OWN HANDS AND DO SOMETHING

LIKE THIS.

WHAT LED UP TO THAT?

WHAT WAS THE TRIGGER?

THE FACT THAT THE INFORMATION IS

THAT THIS PERSON WAS PLANNING IT

FOR A WHILE GIVES US MORE OF A

CLUE A THAT PERHAPS THIS WAS

SOMETHING -- CLUE THAT WAS

PERHAPS THIS WAS SOMETHING MORE

PLANNED OR SUPPORTED THAN WE

ORIGINALLY SUSPECT.

AT THIS STAGE OF THE

INVESTIGATION, WE DON'T KNOW

ENOUGH ABOUT WHAT HIS

MOTIVATIONS ARE.

BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO DETERMINE

THAT.

>> THE LAST TIME WE HAD YOU ON

THE SHOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT

SOFT TARGETS AROUND THE CITY.

BUT THIS SEEMS TO BE MORE

RANDOM.

MORE UNUSUAL.

IT WAS JUST A BIKE PATH IN LOWER

MANHATTAN.

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD

NOW BE EXPECTING TO BE A TARGET

FOR TERRORISTS ARE THESE PLACES

THAT PEOPLE JUST GATHER?

>> SO AFTER BARCELONA WHICH IS

WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU

KNOW, THE -- THE SOFT TARGET

BEING A LOCATION, WHAT WE'RE

SEEING IS A SOFT TARGET CAN BE

THE GATHERING OF PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, THAT IS TRULY

FRIGHTENING FROM THE STANDPOINT

OF THE RANDOMNESS AND THE

PERVASIVENESS THAT HAPPENS --

THINK OF THE CITY OF 8 MILLION

PEOPLE.

THERE ARE CLUSTERS OF PEOPLE ALL

OVER THE PLACE.

NOT JUST INSIDE THE CITY BUT

OUTSIDE.

SO NOW YOU LOOK FOR -- WELL,

WHAT IS THE SYMBOLISM?

AROUND GROUND ZERO, WAS THERE

SOME SYMBOLISM, HALLOWEEN, WHEN

SCHOOL WAS GETTING OUT.

AND IN ADVANCE OF THE NEW YORK

CITY MARATHON.

SO MANY DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT

COULD HAVE PLAYED A ROLE IN THIS

DATE, THIS TIME AND THIS

LOCATION.

>> ALL RIGHT.

WELL, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT

NEEDS TO BE DONE GOING FORWARD?

EITHER ON THE PART OF HOMELAND

SECURITY OFFICIALS OR ON THE

PART OF JUST EVERYDAY NEW

YORKERS?

>> WE CAN TAKE THE REACTIVE

RESPONSE AND SAY WE NEED MORE

BALLARDS AND BARRIERS IN PUBLIC

GATHERINGS AND THAT'S BEING

DONE.

WE CAN HAVE A FASTER RESPONSE

CAPABILITY, BUT THE NYPD IS

REALLY ONE OF THE BEST IN THE

WORLD DOING THIS.

BUT WHAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE

TO DO YET IS COME UP WITH A

COUNTERNARRATIVE ON THE NET.

YOU KNOW THIS IS ISIS AS A

VIRTUAL CALIPHATE.

THEY HAVE LOST THEIR PHYSICAL

ONE.

THEY'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE

PEOPLE AND RECRUIT PEOPLE

ONLINE.

SO WHAT ARE WE DOING AS A

SOCIETY TO COUNT THEIR.

TO SAY NO NO, THIS DOES NOT

FULFILL ANY OF THE PROMISES THAT

YOU MIGHT WANT TO MAKE IN TERMS

OF THIS JIHAD.

IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEKING IS

PERVERSE JIHAD.

ONCE YOU COME BACK INTO THE FOLD

OF OUR SOCIETY WITH YOUR

FAMILIES AND YOUR COMMUNITY WE

HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO

SUCCESSFULLY COUNTER THAT.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO

CONTINUE BECAUSE IN SOME WAYS

WE'RE FIGHTING AN IDEA WHICH IS

INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO CONTEND

FROM THE BATTLEFIELD.

>> HOW SHOULD WE AS NEW YORKERS

BEHAVE OR HANDLE OURSELVES GOING

FORWARD AFTER THIS HAPPENS?

>> THESE ARE THE FIRST TERRORISM

RELATED DEATHS SINCE 9/11 IN

THIS CITY.

IT IS TO BE EXPECTED THAT PEOPLE

ARE NOW GOING TO HAVE THE

SPECTER OF TERRORISM RAISED.

ALTHOUGH IT NEVER LEAVES US

SINCE 9/11 BUT WE'RE A CITY OF 8

MILLION PEOPLE.

WE HAD A HALLOWEEN PARADE LAST

NIGHT.

PEOPLE WILL GO ABOUT THEIR LIVES

AND WON'T LET THIS INCIDENT STOP

THEM.

HOWEVER, IT'S IN THE BACK OF

PEOPLE'S MINDS.

IT'S INCUMBENT TO ENSURE THE

INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEM AND TO BE

AWARE.

WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THAT, YOU

KNOW?

WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND YOU.

PAY ATTENTION.

PLEASE MAKE THAT PHONE CALL IF

YOU SEE SOMETHING.

>> ALL RIGHT.

WELL, LISTEN, MICHAEL BALBONI,

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US

ON THE PROGRAM AND GIVING US

INSIGHT INTO THE SITUATION FROM

THE NATIONAL SECURITY

PERSPECTIVE.

>> THANK YOU.

MY PLEASURE.

>> THANK YOU.

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