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MetroFocus: May 5, 2021

As we get ready for the start of yet another summer during the pandemic, the coming months promise to look much different than last year. We’ll tackle important questions on some of the new COVID protocols with Tara Parker-Pope, a New York Times columnist who has spoken with the experts and written extensively about staying healthy during COVID.

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>>> THIS IS "METROFOCUS" WITH

RAFAEL PI ROMAN, JACK FORD AND

JENA FLANNIGAN.

METRO FOCUS IS MADE POSSIBLE BY

SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM, II AND

PROGRAMMING ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT

ANTISEMITISM, THE PETER G.

PETERSON AND JOAN SOONY FUND,

BERNARD AND DENISE SCHWARTZ,

BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG AND THE

AMBROSE MONO ELLE FOUNDATION AND

BY JANET PRINDEL SIDE LER, JODI

AND JOHN ARNHOLD, CHERYL AND

PHILIP MILSTEIN FAMILY.

>>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO

METROFOCUS.

I AM JACK FORD.

AS OF NOW IT APPEARS THAT THIS

SUMMER IS GOING TO LOOK AND FEEL

VERY DIFFERENT FROM LAST YEAR'S

PANDEMIC SUMMER.

MILLIONS OF TRI-STATE RESIDENTS

ARE FULLY VACCINATED AND THE CDC

HAS ISSUED NEW GUIDELINES

ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE WEARING OF

MASKS.

MANY BUSINESSES WILL SOON BE

FULLY RE-OPENED, BUT THERE ARE

STILL QUESTIONS THAT WE ARE

DEALING WITH.

HOW SHOULD WE CONDUCT OURSELVES

ONCE WE ARE FULLY VACCINATED.

HOW CAN WE KEEP OUR UNVACCINATED

LOVED ONES SAFE AND HOW ABOUT

THOSE VARIANTS?

JUST HOW DANGEROUS ARE THEY AND

WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT TO GET

YOUR SECOND SHOT?

ALL VERY COMPELLING QUESTIONS,

SO TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO TACKLE

THESE ISSUES AND MORE WITH NEW

YORK TIMES COLUMNIST WHO HAS

SPOKEN WITH THE EXPERTS AND

WRITTEN EXTENSIVELY ABOUT COVID.

CARRA PARKER POPE IS ALSO THE

FOUNDING EDITOR OF WELL AND THE

CONSUMER HEALTH SIDE AND WE ARE

DELIGHTED TO HAVE HER WITH US

BACK ON "METROFOCUS."

CA

CARA, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> THERE ARE MASK GUIDELINES AND

THERE STILL SEEMS TO BE

CONFUSION DESPITE THE CDC SAYING

HERE'S WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING AND

FROM YOUR OWN RESEARCH, WHAT

EXACTLY NOW, SOMEONE SAYS TO YOU

I'M FULLY VACCINATED, ALL RIGHT.

WHAT CAN I DO NOW WITHOUT A

MASK?

>> WELL, I THINK THE CDC TRIED

TO BE HELPFUL AND IN TRYING TO

BE HELPFUL WE ENDED UP VERY

CONFUSED AND IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE

SIMPLE.

IF YOU'RE VACCINATED, YOU CAN

PRETTY MUCH GO MASKLESS OUTDOORS

IN ANY SITUATION EXCEPT IN A

CROWD.

YOU DON'T WANT TO BE IN A

CROWDED SITUATION STILL BECAUSE

THE VIRUS IS STILL OUT THERE.

YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO BE

SURROUNDING YOURSELF WITH

POTENTIALLY INFECTED PEOPLE SO

CROWDS ARE STILL A NO, BUT YOU

KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO GO HIKING

OR JOGGING, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE

A PICNIC OR YOU WANT TO WALK

OUTDOORS ON A SIDEWALK AND

YOU'RE VACCINATED AND YOU DON'T

NEED TO WEAR A MASK.

>> HERE'S THE QUESTION, WHAT DO

YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY A CROWD?

LAST SATURDAY I DROVE OVER TO MY

SON-IN-LAW'S HOUSE AND MY

5-YEAR-OLD GRANDSON HAD HIS

LITTLE BASEBALL THING AND

THEY'RE AT A FIELD AND THERE ARE

OTHER PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS

THERE, BUT THERE IS NOBODY

CERTAINLY WITHIN TEN FEET OF ME.

EVERYBODY WAS SPREAD OUT AND

MANY PEOPLE WERE NOT WEARING

MASKS AND IN MY TALKING WITH

THEM THE REPORTER IN ME CAME OUT

AND THEY WERE FULLY VACCINATED.

IS THAT OKAY?

>> I THINK THAT IS OKAY.

EVEN BEFORE VACCINATIONS,

OUTDOORS WAS VERY SAFE.

VERY FEW DOCUMENTED CASES ABOUT

THE TRANSMISSION HAVE HAPPENED,

AND IN A LOT OF THOSE CASES WHEN

YOU TALK ABOUT OUTDOOR

TRANSMISSION LIKE THE ROSE

GARDEN EVENT AND IT WAS AN

INDOOR/OUTDOOR EVENT AND

CONTACT, TOO.

THE WAY THE VIRUS TRANSMITS IS

TYPICALLY BY AEROSOLS AND THE

MINUTE THE AEROSOLS HIT THE

OUTDOOR AIR THEY DISPERSE VERY

QUICKLY.

SO YOU KIND OF NEED TO REMEMBER

THAT.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD UP

LIKE THEY WOULD INDOOR SPACE.

SO IF YOU'RE AT A SOCCER GAME

WITH OTHER PARENTS AND YOU DON'T

KNOW THEIR VACCINATION STATUS.

SO OUT OF RESPECT YOU WANT TO

KEEP YOUR DISTANCE AND A PERSON

SAYS OH, I'M VACCINATED AND I'M

VACCINATED, TOO, AND YOU CAN GET

CLOSER.

AN OUTDOOR VACCINATION WHERE

YOU'RE SPACED OUT ENJOYING A

SPORTING EVENT AND IT'S NOT A

RISK IF YOU'RE UNVACCINATED AND

DEFINITELY NOT A RISK IF YOU'RE

VACCINATED.

>> WHAT YOU CAN DO AND CAN'T DO,

AND I KNOW THERE IS THAT

CONFUSION THERE, YOU ARE

ACTUALLY ABLE TO SPEAK WITH SOME

OF THE WORLD'S LEADING EXPERTS

ON THE TRANSMISSION OF THE VIRUS

AND YOU TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN

SIMPLIFY THINGS AND OUR APPROACH

AND WHAT WE CAN'T DO.

WHAT DID YOU LEARN FROM THEM?

>> I THINK THIS WAS REALLY,

REALLY HELPFUL TO PEOPLE BECAUSE

IT DOES SIMPLIFY IT.

I SPOKE WITH A WOMAN NAMED DR.

LINDSAY MAR AND SHE HAS BEEN THE

VOICE OF GUIDANCE FOR ALL OF US.

SHE CONSULTS WITH THE WORLD

HEALTH ORGANIZATION, WITH THE

CDC AND THE WORLD'S LEADING

EXPERT ON VIRAL TRANSMISSION AND

SHE HAS USED THIS TWO OUT OF

THREE RULE HERSELF WHERE SHE HAS

TO BE IN ANY SITUATION, SHE

NEEDS TO MEET TWO OUT OF THREE

CONDITIONS.

OUTDOORS, MASKED OR DISTANCED.

SO SHE'S OUTDOORS.

SHE CAN BE DISTANCED AND SHE

DOESN'T NEED TO WEAR A MASK.

IF SHE'S INDOORS, IF SHE'S NOT

OUTSIDE SHE MUST BE DISTANCED

AND MASKED.

SO THINK OF IT JUST TWO OUT OF

THREE OF THOSE THINGS OUTDOORS,

DISTANCED AND MASKED.

THE TWO OUT OF THREE RULE IS

EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO REMEMBER,

PARTICULARLY UNVACCINATED

PEOPLE, BUT IT SOLVES ALL OF THE

QUESTIONS, CAN I BE IN A CROWD?

WELL, YOU SHOULD BE DISTANCED.

IF YOU'RE NOT DISTANCED THEN YOU

SHOULD BE OUTDOORS AND MASKED.

>> YOU ALSO TALK ABOUT AND YOU

HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT THIS IN ONE

OF YOUR STORIES.

THE CONFUSION, AND CONFUSION

SEEMS TO BE THE HIGHLIGHTED WORD

HERE IN THIS CONVERSATION AND

THE CONFUSION AND MISPERCEPTIONS

THAT PEOPLE HAVE ABOUT

ACTIVITIES OUTDOORS THAT ARE

SAFE.

>> WE SAW THE VIDEOS OR PHOTOS

OF CROWDED BEACHES AND PARKS,

AND AS A CONSEQUENCE WE ARE

CONCERNED THAT WE MIGHT NOT

TRULY UNDERSTAND THESE

ACTIVITIES AND WHAT AMONGST THEM

CAN BE SAFE.

WHAT DID YOU LEARN FROM THAT?

>> YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN SOME

RESEARCH THAT THE PHOTO IMAGES

THAT NEWSPAPERS LIKE MY OWN HAVE

USED IN MAGAZINES AND TELEVISION

SHOWS TO TALK ABOUT CROWDS IN

THE TIME OF COVID AND THEY HAVE,

UNFORTUNATELY, CHOSEN TO SHOW

BEACH PHOTOS AND IT'S CREATED A

SENSE THAT THAT'S A DANGEROUS

SITUATION.

I PERSONALLY STILL, IF I WAS

UNVACCINATED WOULD NOT BE

COMFORTABLE IN AN OUTDOOR CROWD,

BUT ILS KNOW ALSO KNOW THAT OUTS

SAFER.

SPEAKING ABOUT THE UNVACCINATED

ESPECIALLY.

WHEN YOU'RE OUTDOORS HIKING,

SPENDING TIME IN A BEACH OR IN A

PARK YOU ARE GENERALLY SAFE AND

YOU CAN FEEL RELAXED,

COMFORTABLE AND HAPPY TO BE

ENJOYING THE FRESH AIR.

THE PROBLEM COMES WHEN CROWDS

START TO GATHER.

YOU DO WANT TO AVOID THOSE

SITUATIONS, BUT WHEN WE SAW

HIGH-SPREADING EVENTS IN OUTDOOR

SITUATIONS AND I WOULD SAY IT

WAS ALWAYS BECAUSE IT WAS

ACCOMPANIED BY AN INDOOR, RISKY

ACTIVITY.

PEOPLE WHO GO TO THE BEACH ALSO

GO INSIDE TO BARS, AND THEY GO

INSIDE TO RESTAURANTS AND PEOPLE

WHO I SPOKE WITH A RESEARCHER

WHO SAID, PEOPLE WHO HAVE

DISTANCED OUTDOOR BARBECUE, BUT

THEN THEY GO INTO THE KITCHEN

AND MINGLE FOR 20 MINUTES AND

TALK IN THE KITCHEN AND THAT'S

NOT SAFE IF YOU'RE UNVACCINATED

AND THERE ARE LIMITS IF YOU'RE

VACCINATED.

SO I THINK THE RULES HAVE REALLY

NOT CHANGED.

OUTDOORS IS MUCH SAFER AND WE

CAN FEEL MORE RELAXED ALTHOUGH

IF YOU'RE NOT VACCINATED YOU

SHOULD KEEP YOUR DISTANCE AND

NOT BE IN A CROWDED SITUATION.

INDOORS, WE STILL NEED TO BE

MINDFUL OF WHO WE'RE WITH AND

ENJOY LOUD, INDOOR GATHERINGS

UNLESS WE KNOW WE'RE WITH OTHER

UNVACCINATED PEOPLE.

>> THAT'S SUCH A GOOD POINT AND

IT'S NOT ABOUT BEING IN THE

BEACH OR THE PARK, IT'S THE

ADJUNCT ACTIVITIES WITH THE

BARBECUE IN YOUR BACKYARD THAT'S

THE PROBLEM.

I GREW UP ON THE BEACH.

I LIVED DOWN THE JERSEY SHORE

AND WORKED AS A LIFEGUARD ON THE

OCEAN AND TO ME I ALWAYS THOUGHT

THIS SEEMS LUKE A REALLY SAFE

PLACE TO BE, YOU KNOW?

IN YOUR ABILITY TO SPREAD ON

AROUND AND MOVE OUT AND STILL

ENGAGE IN ACTIVITIES WITH YOUR

FAMILY, SO THE ADVICE YOU'RE

GIVING IS VERY HELPFUL

ESPECIALLY FOR THE BEACH GOERS

AMONGST US THAT ARE INTERESTED.

>> ESPECIALLY IN THE SUMMER.

I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO BE

RELACKED THIS SUMMER AND NOT BE

SUPER STRESSED LIKE WE WERE

BEFORE.

>> YEAH.

WE CAN ALL SIGN ON THERE.

I MENTIONED IN THE INTRODUCTION

ABOUT HOW DO WE PROTECT THE

UNVACCINATED AMONGST US WHEN WE

ARE VACCINATED AND CLEARLY THAT

APPLIES TO FAMILY MEMBERS,

ADULTS AND CHILDREN.

WHAT TYPE OF ADVICE HAVE YOU

HELPED FOLKS NAVIGATE THROUGH

THOSE SITUATIONS.

I THINK, UNFORTUNATELY, THE

PUBLIC HEALTH GUIDANCE HERE HAS

BEEN INTENTIONALLY CONSERVATIVE

BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THE

ANSWERS, BUT IT HAS RESULTED IN

REALLY SCARING PEOPLE.

I THINK IF YOU ARE VACCINATED,

YOUR CHANCE OF TRANSMITTING

COVID-19 TO ANOTHER PERSON OR

THE CORONAVIRUS TO ANOTHER

PERSON, IF IT'S NOT NON-EXISTENT

IT'S TESTAMENTALLY SMALL -- I

CAN'T SAY THAT WORD.

IT'S SMALL AND MINISCULE.

SO I THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN A

CAUTION IN THE SCIENTIFIC

COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT

EXACTLY SURE WHAT HAPPENS IF A

VACCINATED PERSON IS EXPOSED FOR

A WHILE TO A PERSON WHO IS

INFECTED WITH COVID-19.

RIGHT NOW, THEY BELIEVE THAT

IT'S POSSIBLE THAT YOU COULD

PICK UP THAT VIRUS AND IT CAN

MAYBE BE IN YOUR NOSE AND

THEY'RE NOT GOING SPREAD IT.

THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF

DOCUMENTATION AND HEALTH CARE

WORKERS HAVE EXPOSED TO HUGE

DOSES OF THE VIRUS, RIGHT?

THEY HAVE HEALTH CARE WORKERS

WHO HAVE BREAKTHROUGH INFECTIONS

AND THESE ARE INCREDIBLY RARE

AND THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY

CASES.

IT CAN HAPPEN WHERE A VACCINATED

PERSON MAY GET INFECTED AND

WHAT'S REALLY REMARKABLE IS THAT

THESE INFECTED PEOPLE ARE NOT

SPREADING THE DISEASE.

THEY'RE JUST NOT SPREADING IT TO

OTHERS.

SO I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD FEEL

PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT IF I'M

VACCINATED AND I'M WITH YOU AND

YOU'RE NOT VACCINATED, I DON'T

THINK I'M A RISK TO YOU.

I STILL MAY WANT TO TAKE SOME

PRECAUTIONS IF YOU'RE ANXIOUS OR

JUST, YOU KNOW, OUT OF RESPECT

FOR YOUR CONCERNS, IF YOU'RE

HIGH RISK AND WEAR A MASK, BUT

ONCE YOU'RE VACCINATED AND FULLY

VACCINATED AND WE NEED TO

EMPHASIZE THIS.

IT NEEDS TO BE A FULL

VACCINATION SCHEDULE DEPENDING

ON THE SHOT YOU'RE GETTING AND

IT NEEDS TO BE TWO WEEKS AFTER

YOUR LAST DOSE, YOU'RE

CONSIDERED FULLY VACCINATED AND

THOSE EXTRA TWO WEEKS MATTER.

SO I THINK IN THAT CASE THE

VACCINATED PERSON SHOULD FEEL

PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THEY'RE

NOT GOING TO ENDANGER THE PEOPLE

AROUND THEM.

>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT SPECIFIC

AREAS THAT ARE INVOLVED AND THE

GUIDANCE THAT YOU RECEIVE FROM

PEOPLE.

AS SUMMER IS APPROACHING THEY'RE

SAYING WHAT ABOUT SUMMER CAMPS?

ARE THEY SAFE?

ARE THEY NOT SAFE?

SOME OPENED LAST SUMMER AND SOME

HAD SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS LAST

SUMMER.

WHAT ARE YOU HEARING ABOUT

ADVICE FROM PARENTS ABOUT SUMMER

CAMPS.

>> SUMMER CAMPS ARE TRICKY.

I THINK THE OVERNIGHT CAMPS IN A

WAY TEND TO BE A BUBBLE BECAUSE

YOU CAN GO AND SORT OF DISTANCE

THE KIDS AND KEEP THEM SEPARATE

FOR A WHILE AND DO SOME TESTING

AND THEN KEEP EVERYONE IN THE

BUBBLE AND IT'S THE DAY CAMPS

WHERE THEY GO BACK AND FORTH,

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?

WE'RE MANAGING THIS WITH SCHOOLS

RIGHT NOW WITH TESTING AND MASK

WEARING, YOU KNOW, IF YOUR KID

HAS THE SNIFFLES, KEEP THEM

HOME.

IT'S PROBABLY ALLERGIES, TO BE

HONEST, BUT THAT'S JUST THE

WORLD WE LIVE IN WHERE A FEVER

OR SNIFFLES KEEPS YOUR KIDS

HOME.

THE VIRUS -- CHILDREN ARE NOT AT

HIGH RISK OF THE VIRUS AS ADULTS

ARE.

THEY'RE NOT VERY BIG SPREADERS

OF THE VIRUS AND THAT'S WHY

WE'VE SEEN SCHOOLS CAN STAY OPEN

WITH TESTING AND WITH SOME

VIGILANCE AND CAN CONTINUE AND

CHILDREN CAN KEEP LEARNING.

SO WE'VE LEARNED A LOT WITH

CHILDREN AND THE SAME IS GOING

TO BE WITH THE SUMMER CAMP AND

IT WILL BE BETTER BECAUSE IT'S

MOSTLY OUTDOORS.

IF THEY'RE IN OUTDOORS AND

CABINS, THEN YOU NEED DISTANCING

AND MAKING SURE KIDS AREN'T

WOSHLING TOGETHER WITH THE

WRITING AND WITH A LITTLE

VIGILANCE AND SOME TESTING,

TESTING IS GREAT.

IT CAN KEEP YOU IN THOSE

SITUATIONS KEEPING THE VIRUS

AWAY.

>> IT'S INTERESTING, IT'S

DROPPED, AND WE HEAR VACCINE,

VACCINE, VACCINE AND NOT MUCH

MORE ABOUT TESTING.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT STILL

SHOULD BE IN OUR PORTFOLIO OF --

OF OUR WEAPON AGAINST THIS AND

IN THE FOREFRONT OF WHAT WE'RE

DOING?

>> TESTING IS A GREAT TOOL AND I

USED IT WITH MY COLLEGE-AGE

DAUGHTER BEFORE SHE WAS

VACCINATED.

THESE RAPID TESTS HAVE GOTTEN

THE IDEA THAT THEY'RE NOT

RELIABLE, BUT THEY'RE VERY

RELIABLE IN TERMS OF TELLING YOU

WHEN THEY'RE INFECTIOUS OR NOT,

AND SO, YEAH.

WE CAN USE TESTING.

THE PANDEMIC IS GOING TO BE HERE

FOR A WHILE.

NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE

VACCINATED AND CHILDREN, IT'S

GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER

BEFORE THEY GET VACCINATED AND

THERE ARE HOME TESTS NOW THAT

HAVE BEEN AXE PROVED.

I'M LUCKY, IN NEW YORK, YOU CAN

PRETTY MUCH GET A RAPID TEST

EVERYWHERE YOU WANT AND IT'S NOT

THAT WAIT ANYMORE, AND IF YOU'RE

AN AREA THAT DEFINITELY CAN I

PLAY A ROLE ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE

GOING TO SEE A VULNERABLE

PERSON, IF YOU'RE TRAVELING.

USE THE TEST.

RIGHT NOW IF YOU TRAVEL TO

CERTAIN STATES, I KNOW IF YOU GO

TO HAWAII YOU NEED TO TAKE A

TEST TO PROVE THAT YOU'RE

NEGATIVE SO TESTING IS STILL

NEEDED FOR TRAVEL AND OTHER

REASON, SO DEFINITELY, WE WANT

TO REMEMBER THAT TESTING IS

AVAILABLE TO US.

>> WE ARE TALKING WITH TARA

PARKER POPE, COLUMNIST FOR "THE

NEW YORK TIMES" WITH EXTENSIVE

WRITING ON COVID AND THE FOUNDER

OF WELL, THE TIMES OF

AWARD-WINNING CONSUMER HEALTH

SITE, AND LET ME TELL YOU WHAT

THE EXPERTS ARE SAYING TO YOU.

I MENTIONED IT AGAIN IN THE

INTRODUCTION ABOUT BUSINESSES

BEING RE-OPENED AND THAT, OF

COURSE, INCLUDES RESTAURANTS.

SO WHAT'S THE GUIDANCE IN TERMS

OF DINING INDOORS NOW IN

RESTAURANTS.

>> WELL, IT VARIES BY STATE,

RIGHT?

IN SOME STATES YOU'RE STILL AT

10% OR 20% CAPACITY.

STATES ARE TRYING TO OPEN UP.

IF YOU'RE UNVACCINATED, INDOOR

DINING IS A BAD IDEA.

YOU JUST SHOULDN'T DO IT AND

THAT MIGHT BE MORE CONSERVATIVE

ADVICE THAN YOUR LOCAL HEALTH

DEPARTMENT IS TELLING YOU, BUT

THERE ARE A FAIR NUMBER OF

DOCUMENTED CASES OF CORONAVIRUS

TRANSMISSION AT RESTAURANTS.

AN INFECTED PERSON MIGHT BE AT A

TABLE AND DEPENDING ON THE

VENTILATION SYSTEM IN THE

RESTAURANT, IF THERE IS A KNOW

IF OR AIR-CONDITIONING BLOWING

ESPECIALLY IN THE SUMMER IT CAN

PUSH THE VIRUS ACROSS THE

RESTAURANT.

I THINK IF YOU'RE UNVACCINATED,

INDOOR DINING REMAINS A GOOD

IDEA, BUT INDOOR DINING AT A

RESTAURANT.

IF YOU'RE VACCINATED, YOU KNOW

INDOOR DINING SEEMS OKAY.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW YOUR

LOCAL STATE GUIDELINES AND SOME

OF THE STATES ARE FULLY OPENED

UP.

I PERSONALLY AM NOT SUPER

COMFORTABLE SITTING IN A CROWDED

RESTAURANT, BUT THAT'S THE KIND

OF PANDEMIC HANGOVER WE ALL HAVE

WHERE WE STILL HAVEN'T ADJUSTED

TO THIS LIFE.

>> MAYBE THAT'S NOT SUCH A BAD

THING.

>> I THINK IT'S CAUTIOUS

ESPECIALLY IN THE SUMMER WHEN

YOU HAVE OUTDOOR OPTIONS.

INDOOR DINING IS COMING BACK AND

I THINK PROBABLY BY JULY WE WILL

SEE IT WIDELY OPENED UP AROUND

THE COUNTRY.

>> HOW ABOUT TRAVEL?

WHAT -- WHAT ARE WE HEARING IN

TERMS OF GUIDELINES AND LET'S

TALK ABOUT PEOPLE BHOR FULLY

VBLGSATED AND IT'S THE PEAK

TRAVEL PERIOD.

>> THE CDC HAS SAID PRETTY

CLEARLY THAT WE CAN'T TRAVEL

IT'S MORE CHALLENGING WITH YOUR

CHILDREN SHALL RLLY, IF YOU'RE

YOUR NEGATIVE IF YOU'RE

UNVACCINATED YOU SHOULD PROBABLY

TEST BEFORE YOU GET ON THE PLANE

AND WEAR A DOUBLE MASK AND IF

YOU'VE VACCINATED YOU DON'T HAVE

TO WORRY.

UNVACCINATED KIDS, IT'S A LITTLE

BIT DIFFERENT.

YOU STILL WANT TO MAINTAIN THE

SAME PRECAUTIONS ABOUT MIXING

WITH OTHERS AND STRANGERS, BUT I

THINK IT IS POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE

TO TRAVEL.

EVERYTHING IS MUCH MORE RELAXED

THAN IT USED TO BE.

THE VIRUS IS STILL OUT THERE AND

WE KNOW MORE AND KNOW MORE HOW

TO COPE.

AIRPLANES IN GENERAL ARE PRETTY

SAFE.

THEY HAVE BETTER VENTILATION

SYSTEMS THAN MOST BUILDINGS, FAR

BETTER.

>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE

VIRUS VARIANTS AND THE RECENT

STORIES.

YOU TOOK A LOOK AT THE

MISINFORMATION SURROUNDING THE

VIRUS VARIANTS AND IT CAN ALMOST

SOUND LIKE A HORROR MOVIE WHEN

SOME OF THESE ARE BEING

DESCRIBED.

WHAT IS THE REALITY IN TERMS OF

THE SERIOUSNESS OF THESE VIRUS

VARIANTS AND ALSO THE IMPACT

THAT BEING FULLY VACCINATED CAN

HAVE UPON YOUR POTENTIAL FOR

CONTRACTING AN ILLNESS.

>> I THINK REPORTING ON A VIRUS

VARIANT HAS BEEN SCARY.

I QUOTED DIFFERENT ARTICLES I

HAD SEEN WHERE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT

A DOUBLE MUTANT AND THE DEVIL IS

HERE, AND FROM THE PUBLIC

STANDPOINT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

THE VIRUS DOES MOVE QUICKLY.

IT IS MOVING FAST AND CHANGING

AS IS EXPECTED AND NOT SPECIAL

TO CORONAVIRUS.

>> I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT

NOTE FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND

THAT VIRUSES DO CHANGE.

THEY DO MUTATE AND PART OF WHAT

THEY ARE AS OPPOSED TO SOME OF

THE REPORTING THAT MAKES US

FEEL, OH, MY GOSH, NOT ONLY IS

IT TERRIBLE, BUT IT'S GETTING

EVEN WORSE AND THAT'S THE ONLY

ONE THAT DOES THAT.

>> THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT TRUE

AND IN TERMS OF REVOLUTIONARY

PRESSURE, YOU KNOW, VIRUSES WANT

TO SORT OF SUSTAIN THEMSELVES.

SO A VIRUS THAT'S EASILY

TRANSMITTABLE, THAT DOESN'T KILL

YOU IS GOING TO LAST LONGER THAN

ONE THAT IS SUPER SCARY, AND

THAT'S ONE THING TO REMEMBER

THAT VIRUSES CHANGE MATCH RLLY

AND THE PRESSURE IS TO FIND A

SUSTAINABLE FORM OF THE VIRUS

THAT WILL NOT DO AS MUCH MUCH

DAMAGE.

THE WAY THIS HAS SCHAFRNL

CHARGED VERY IS IMHAR.

WE ARE VERY GOOD RIGHT NOW, AND

WE KNOW A LOT AND THE VACCINE

COMPANIES HAVE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP

UP WITH THE CHANGES AND THEY'RE

GOING TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE

VACCINES, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU

NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE VARIANTS

IS THAT THE VARIANTS CAN BE

CONTAGIOUS OR MORE EASILY

TRANSMITTED.

IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT

HOW YOU SHOULD BEHAVE.

YOU SHOULD ALWAYS TAKE THE SAME

PRECAUTIONS YOU HAVE ALWAYS

TAKEN.

IT JUST MEANS THAT IF YOU'VE

GOTTEN AWAY WITH LAX BEHAVIOR

BEFORE, YOU MAY NOT NOW.

THE B-117 IS THE VARIANT RIGHT

NOW.

THIS IS THE VERY FIRST

IDENTIFIED IN BRITAIN, BUT THE

GOOD NEWS IS THAT THE VACCINES

WE USE IN THE UNITED STATES ARE

VERY EFFECTIVE AGAINST THERE

VARIANT.

WE'VE BEEN GIVINGEN THE THOUGHT

THAT THEY DON'T USE AGAINST THE

VAR VARIANTS?

>> DO THEY WORK AS WELL.

IT DEPENDS ON THE VARIANT, TOO,

IN THE U.S. B-117, AND THERE WAS

A VARIANT FIRST IDENTIFIED IN

AFRICA AND A VARIANT IN BRAZIL.

THOSE VARIANTS ARE PUTTING UP A

BETTER FIGHT AGAINST THE

VACCINES, BUT THE VACCINES STILL

WORK.

YOU MIGHT GET A MILD

BREAKTHROUGH INFECTION AND

BREAKTHROUGH INFECTIONS ARE RARE

AND I HESITATE TO SAY YOU MIGHT

GET IT BECAUSE IT'S STILL

INCREDIBLY RARE, BUT YOU WILL BE

PROTECTED AGAINST SERIOUS

DISEASE, HOSPITALIZATION IF YOU

GET VACCINATED AND YOU'LL STILL

BE PROTECTED FROM THE VARIANTS.

>> I SAW A STATISTIC FAIRLY

RECENTLY AND I THINK THEY WERE

TALKING ABOUT 60-SOME MILLION

VACCINATED PEOPLE AND ABOUT

5,000 BREAKTHROUGH CASES WHICH

COMPUTES TO BE A 0.08, IF I

REMEMBER CORRECTLY TINS

INCIDENT.

YOU, YES, IT'S THERE BUT WE

SHOULD NOT LIVE IF DIRE FEAR OF

THAT HAPPENING TO US.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT AND WE

STRUGGLE UNDERSTANDING THE RISK

OF CORONAVIRUS.

YOUR RISK OF DRIVING TO THE

GROCERY STORE IS GOING TO BE

HIGHER OF HAVING A CAR ACCIDENT

THAN GETTING A BREAKTHROUGH

INFECTION AFTER VACCINATION.

WE HAVE A LOT OF RISK, AND WE

WANT TO BE VIGILANT AGAINST THE

CORONAVIRUS AND WANT TO TAKE IT

SERIOUSLY, BUT VACCINATION

REALLY WILL PROTECT YOU AND

WHILE WE HEAR OF BREAKTHROUGH

INFECTIONS AND WE HAVE STORM THE

NUMBER YOU SAID, THAT WAS A CDC

STUDY WITH 75 MILLION CASES AND

IT WAS THE TEENIEST, TINIEST

FRACTION OF PEOPLE WHO HAD

BREAKTHROUGH INFECTIONS AND WE

HAVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THOSE

PEOPLE AND THEY HAD HIGH

EXPOSURE, VULNERABLE AND A

COMPREHENSIVE SYSTEM AND IN

GENERAL, YOU CAN BE PRETTY

CONFIDENT AND YOU WILL BE

PROTECTED AND LET'S SAY IN THESE

BREAKTHROUGH INFECTIONS WE SEE

CONSISTENTLY THAT THESE PEOPLE

TEND TO HAVE MILD ILLNESS AND

THEY DON'T GET HOSPITALIZED AND

THEY GET VERY, VERY SICK AND

IT'S INCREDIBLY RARE.

>> WHAT ARE WE LEARNING ABOUT

THE IMPENDING AVAILABLE OF

VACCINES FOR YOUNGER CHILDREN

NOW?

>> THEY JUST ANNOUNCED -- THE

NEW YORK TIMES JUST WROTE A

STORY THIS WEEK SAYING THAT THE

PFIZER VACCINE IS PROBABLY GOING

TO BE APPROVED FOR CHILDREN 12

TO 15 AND WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE

THE TIMING, BUT SOON.

YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW YOUNG PEOPLE

16 AND OLDER ARE ELIGIBLE TO BE

VACCINATED AND A LOT OF PEOPLE

DON'T REALIZE THAT.

THE PFIZER, AND IT LOOKS LIKE BY

THE FALL.

THE VERY, VERY YOUNG CHILDREN,

DR. ANTHONY FAUFRPY HAS

PREDICTED MAYBE THAT WILL HAPPEN

IN 20 TWOOR.

THEY'LL BE LAST LEFT, AND THEY

DON'T HAVE A HIGH RATE OF

INFECTION OR TRANSMISSION AND

WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT, SO I

THINK SOON CHILDREN WILL BE --

THERE WILL BE VACCINATIONS IN

HIGH SCHOOLS AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS

AND WE'LL START SEEING THAT VERY

SOON.

>> LAST QUESTION, AND I WANT TO

COME BACK AND HAVE YOU ELABORATE

ON SOMETHING YOU SAID BEFORE.

WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT FOR

PEOPLE TO GET THEIR SECOND SHOT.

>> I LEARNED A LOT WHEN I DID

REPORTING ON THE STUDY AND SOME

OF THE PEKS PERTS WERE SORT OF

NEUTRAL.

WE SEE SO PROTECTION ABOUT THE

PFIZER AND MODERNA DOSE.

WE'VE, AND INHE SAID THE SECOND

SHOT YOU MIGHT GET THIS 80%

PROTECTION FROM THE FIRST SHOT,

BUT THE SECOND SHOT GIVES YOU

TEN TIMES THE NEUTRALIZING

ANTIBODIES AND THE T-CELL

PROTECTION AND BACKUP

PROTECTION.

SO THERE IS A LOT OF BENEFIT

FROM YOUR SECOND SHOT SO DON'T

SKIP IT.

IT SOLIDIFIES YOUR PROTECTION

AND GUARDS YOU AGAINST

CONTRACTING COVID-19.

>> I WILL SAY, I DON'T THINK THE

PUBLIC HAS LEARNED THAT, AND

THAT'S WHY I AM SO GLAD THAT

YOU'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT FOR

OUR AUDIENCE, BUT THAT TO ME, IS

NOT INFORMATION THAT'S GOTTEN

OUT THERE.

SO AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THE

REASONS WHY WE ARE ALWAYS

TLITLI

DELIGHTED, CARE A FOR THE

RESEARCH YOU'RE DOING AND THE

ROOTING IT'S IT WAS -- SO YOU

STAY SIFE AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD

TO TALKING TO YOU THIS

AFTERNOON.

THAT IS CORRECT.

IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TALKING

TO YOU.

THANK A LOT.

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