MetroFocus

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MetroFocus: July 7, 2020

The fight for justice by the LGBTQ community and the Black community have been intertwined from the beginning. But, at no point have black trans people shared fully in the gains of racial justice or LGBTQ activism, despite suffering disproportionately from the racism, homophobia and transphobia these movements exist to combat.

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>>> THIS IS "METROFOCUS."

WITH RAFAEL, JACK FORD AND JENNA

FLANAGAN.

MADE POSSIBLE BY SUE AND EDGAR,

AND PROGRAMMING ENDOWMENT TO

FIGHT ANTI-SEMITISM, JODY AND

JOHN, BERNARD AND DENISE

SCHWARTZ, JUDY AND JOSH WESTON,

DR. ROBERT AND TEINA STONE

FOUNDATION.

>>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME.

I'M JENNA FLANAGAN.

NO QUESTION THAT THE BLACK LIVES

MATTER MOVEMENT HAS RAISED

AWARENESS AROUND MATTERS OF

RACIAL INJUSTICE, BUT UNTIL

RECENTLY, THERE HAS BEEN A KEY

VOICE MEETING, THAT OF BLACK

TRANSGENDER PEOPLE, A COMMUNITY

ESPECIALLY VULNERABLE TO

DISCRIMINATION AND VIOLENCE.

A RECENT STRING OF KILLINGS OF

BLACK PEOPLE OF COLOR HAVE AT

THAT DEMANDED THEIR PEOPLE BE

HEARD, TOO, AND THERE HAS BEEN A

CRY FOR BLACK TRANS LIVES

MATTER.

WITH THE RACIAL INJUSTICE AND

LGBTQ, THEY HAVE NOT SHARED

EQUALLY IN THE MOVEMENT.

SO TALKING WITH ME NOW IS A

TRANSGENDER RIGHTS ACTIVIST,

CO-FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE BLACK

LIVES MEMBER NETWORK AND THE

FOUNDING DIRECTOR OF THE MARSHA

P. JOHNSON INSTITUTE.

WELCOME.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> FIRST I WANT TO START OFF

WITH THE ROLE OF BLACK TRANS

WOMEN.

WHAT IS THE ROLE THEY HAVE

PLAYED IN NOT ONLY THE PRIDE

MOVEMENT BUT ALSO IN BLACK LIVES

MATTER?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THERE HAS BEEN NO MOVEMENT THAT

BLACK TRANSGENDER WOMEN HAVEN'T

BEEN A PART OF.

WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THAT

WHETHER THAT'S POLICE BRUTALITY,

VIOLENCE.

WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN MORE

IMPACTED THAN THE MAJORITY OF

MOST PEOPLE.

THAT ALWAYS GIVES US A REASON TO

RESIST.

I THINK FOR ME I CAME INTO THE

MOVEMENT AS SOMEONE THAT

RECOGNIZED I WAS VERY VULNERABLE

IN THE WORLD.

IN ORDER TO NOT HAVE THOSE

EXIST, I KNEW THAT I HAD TO

ORGANIZE.

I THINK VERY MUCH SO THAT WAS

THE REALITY IN 1969 WHEN MARSHA

P. JOHNSON AND OTHER NOTABLE

BLACK TRANS PEOPLE WERE

TARGETED.

NOT JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE TRANS

AND CLEAR, BUT SEGREGATION WAS A

REALITY IN 1969.

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A MOVEMENT

WHERE YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO

SEPARATE RACE, CLASS AND GENDER

AND NO GROUP HAS EXPERIENCED IT

AT DISPROPORTIONATE LEVEL AS

BLACK TRANSGENDER WOMEN.

>> CAN YOU DESCRIBE TO ME A

LITTLE BIT OF YOUR UNDERSTANDING

OF THE NATURE OF

INTERSECTIONALITY AND WHY BLACK

TRANSGENDER WOMEN FIND

THEMSELVES IN SUCH A VULNERABLE

PERSON.

>> IT IS BROUGHT BY KIMBERLY

CRENSHAW.

WE ATTRIBUTE HER BRILLIANT

THINKING TO THE POPULARITY OF

THE WORLD.

AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT EXISTS AS

A WAY TO PROVIDE ANALYSIS AROUND

DIFFERENT INTERSECTING FACTORS

SUCH AS CLASS AND GENDER AND HOW

THOSE CREATE CERTAIN

CIRCUMSTANCES IN THE WORLD.

I THINK SHE DEFINES HER WORD

BEST SO I NEVER TRY TO DEFINE IT

OR REDEFINE IT.

THERE IS ENOUGH REFERENCE IN THE

WORLD TO GET AN ACCURATE

DEPICTION OF WHAT SHE MEANT WHEN

SHE SAID INTERSECTIONALITY.

HOWEVER, AS A WOMAN WHO HAS

ORGANIZED WITH BLACK TRANSGENDER

PEOPLE FOR YEARS, I KNOW THERE

ARE CULTURAL NORMS THAT

ENCOURAGE CERTAIN CULTURAL AND

POLITICAL BELIEFS THAT CERTAINLY

DISCARD BLACK TRANS PEOPLE FROM

NOT ONLY HAVING ACCESS TO

OPPORTUNITY, BUT ACCESS TO OUR

OWN HUMANITY AND BEING ABLE TO

DEFINE FOR OURSELVES WHAT WE

NEED TO SURVIVE.

WHETHER THAT'S WORK OR FAMILY OR

COMMUNITY.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE

DIFFICULT TO FIND BASED ON WHAT

THE UNDERSTANDING IN SOCIETY IS

BASED ON WHAT'S NORMAL, WHO IS

NORMAL, WHO IS PURE.

BLACK TRANSGENDER PEOPLE ARE

NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IN THE SAME

WAY AS OTHER PEOPLE ARE, WHETHER

THOSE ARE MEN, WHITE WOMEN.

THE REALITY FOR BLACK TRANS

PEOPLE IS THAT WE ARE ALWAYS ON

THE OUTSIDE AND ALWAYS CREATING

OUR OWN SPACE FOR OUR OWNSELVES.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK IS

SO IMPORTANT FOR ANY PARTICULAR

MOVEMENT IS TO BE ABLE TO

CLEARLY BE ABLE TO NAME EXACTLY

WHAT IT IS THEY ARE HOPING TO

CHANGE.

I AM WONDERING IF AS YOU TALK

ABOUT CERTAIN CULTURAL NORMS OR

EXPECTATIONS, COULD YOU EXPAND

AND EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE

TALKING ABOUT?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN

ABSOLUTIONIST MOVEMENT.

MEANING THAT BLACK SUPREMACY ARE

STRUCTURED THAT ARE NOT ONLY

BEING INTERRUPTED, BUT

ABOLISHED.

WE ARE SEEING CALLS FOR A DEFUND

OF POLICE TO HAPPEN.

THAT IS AN ABLSOLUTIONIST DEMAN

WHICH IS ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO BE

TR

CONTROLLED WITHOUT RESOURCES TO

BE SAFE.

SO INSTEAD OF INVESTING $640

MILLION INTO A POLICE FORCE, WE

CAN INVEST $640 INTO A COMMUNITY

TO HELP BETTER AND SUSTAIN

LIVES.

THE AVERAGE AGE OF A BLACK TRANS

WOMAN WILL LIVE TO BE 35 YEARS

OF AGE.

THOSE ARE STATISTICS THAT SHOULD

NOT ONLY MAKE EVERY ONE FALL OUT

OF THEIR SEAT AND BURN

SOMETHING, BUT THOSE ARE

STATISTICS THAT WHAT ARE THE

CLTURAL IMPLICATIONS OF HOW

THESE NUMBERS SHOW UP IN OUR OWN

LIVES AND OUR ABILITY TO TAKE

ACTION AND BE ABLE TO TRUST

OURSELVES TO TAKE ACTION AND BE

SURE WE ARE BUILDING A WORLD

THAT IS BIGGER THAN JUST FOR US

BUT FOR EVERYBODY.

I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE

REASONS WHY UNDERSTANDING WHAT

IS HAPPENING AROUND THIS

RESISTANCE IS ESSENTIAL.

PEOPLE ARE NOT ONLY ANGRY AND

FULL OF RAGE, BUT THEY HAVE

SOLUTIONS.

SO PEOPLE HAVE TO INVEST OUR

BELIEF IN THE SOLUTIONS SO THEY

CAN BECOME REALITY FOR ALL OF

THE PEOPLE BEING IMPACTED THE

MOST.

>> BEING ONE OF THE FOUNDERS AND

CO-DIRECTORS OF THE MARSHA P.

JOHNSON INSTA ITUTE, COULD YOU

TELL ANYONE WHO MAY NOT KNOW,

WHO WAS MARSHA P. JOHNSON, NOT

ONLY WHO SHE WAS BUT HOW WAS SHE

RECEIVED BY THE PRIDE MOVEMENT.

AGAIN LATE '60s AND EARLY '70s.

WHO WERE SOME OF THE TRANS WOMEN

OF COLOR WHO WERE WITH HER.

A NAME T--

>> SHE WAS AN ORGANIZER AND

BRILLIANT STRATEGIST AND

TRANSPARENT AROUND HER DESIRES

FOR EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL DAY

PEOPLE.

SHE IS SOMEONE WHO IDENTIFIED

OFTEN AS SOMEONE WHO WAS A

TRANSSEXUAL, A DRAG QUEEN, A GAY

MAN, SHE USED ALL OF THIS

LANGUAGE TO ENCAPSULATE WHAT THE

FULL EXPERIENCE OF HER LIFE HAD

BEEN.

THAT'S WHY SHE IS SUCH A

FORMIDABLE FIGURE IN OUR

HISTORY.

SHE WAS OFFERING ALL OF THESE

EXPERIENCES AT A PIVOTAL TIME

WHEN HISTORY WAS SHAPING ITSELF

AND REIMAGINING HOW WE WANTED

SOCIETY TO BE.

SHE WAS ON THE FRONT LINE AND

VERY UNAPOLOGETIC ABOUT HER

DEMANDS.

WE CONSIDER HER DEMANDS NORMAL.

THEY WERE DEMANDS AROUND HUMAN

RIGHTS FOR EVERYONE, BUT

ESPECIALLY FOR THE MISFITS.

MARSHA WAS JOINED BY RIVERA AND

MANY OTHER NAMES WE DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S PART OF THE TRAGEDY OF

OUR HISTORY OF BLACK TRANS

PEOPLE, A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE

DIDN'T GET TO LIVE TO TODAY TO

TELL THOSE STORIES.

SO PART OF OUR GOAL OF THIS

ORGANIZATION IS TO BE ABLE TO

TELL THOSE STORIES IN OUR OWN

WAY WITHOUT FITTING UNDER THE

UMBRELLA OF SOMEONE ELSE'S.

THIS WAS ONE OF THE FIRST

ORGANIZATIONS FOR TRANSGENDER

PEOPLE, S.T.A.R.

SO ALL OF THE ORGANIZING IS

REFLECTIVE OF THAT LEGACY, A LOT

OF US INCLUDING AT THE MARSHA P.

JOHNSON INSTEITUTE ARE JUST

CARRYING ON.

>> IS IT NOT JUST CREATING A

SPACE FOR BLACK TRANS PEOPLE OF

COLOR NOW OR IS IT ALSO ABOUT

TEACHING THE HISTORY?

WHILE WE KNOW NOW THAT MARSHA P.

JOHNSON WAS ACTIVE IN THE PRIDE

MOVEMENT, WAS THERE AT

STONEWALL, ET CETERA.

IT SEEMED AS IF HER NARRATIVE

HAD BEEN, AT LEAST TEMPORARILY,

LOST TO TIME.

IS THAT PART OF THE PURPOSE OF

THE INSTITUTE?

>> YES.

NOT ONLY ARE WE AN ORGANIZATION

THAT EXISTS TO SUPPORT MOVEMENT,

BUT WE ARE A HISTORY

ORGANIZATION.

WE HAVE BEEN CHRONICLING THE

CONTRIBUTIONS FOR ME AND MANY

OTHERS.

FOR US WE ARE A HISTORY

ORGANIZATION, BUT ALSO AN

ORGANIZATION THAT IS REALLY

ENCOURAGING OUR MEMBERS AND

COMMUNITIES TO REALLY THINK

BIGGER AROUND THE WORLD WE WANT

TO BE IN.

SO THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IS

ONE OF THE GREAT STRENGTHS ABOUT

COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS IS THEY

FILL IN THE GAPS WHERE OUR

POLITICIANS FAIL AND MAYBE WHERE

OUR CHURCHES FAIL.

COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS CREATE A

SPACE TO NOT ONLY TELL OUR

HISTORY AND BE IN COMMUNITY WITH

EACH OTHER, BUT IMAGINE A NEW

WAY IN THE WORLD WHERE WE DON'T

HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING ERASED

FROM MOVEMENTS THAT WE STARTED

OR TRYING TO FIT INTO MOVEMENTS

THAT ARE POPULAR BECAUSE WE HAVE

OUR OWN AND WE ARE VERY PROUD TO

BE ABLE TO SUPPORT PEOPLE WHO

ARE AFTER THEIR OWN, BUT ALSO

UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF

BEING IN COLLABORATION WITH EACH

OTHER.

>>> I'M SPEAKING WITH EL, THE

FOU

FOUNDER AND EXECUTIVE DIRECT FOR

OF THE MARSHA P. JOHNSON

INSTITUTE.

I WANT TO BRING UP A DISTURBING

S

STATISTIC YOU BROUGHT UP

EARLIER.

THAT THE AVERAGE AGE OF A

TRANSGENDER BLACK WOMAN IS 35,

IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES, THESE STATISTICS ARE OUT

THERE.

THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE SURVEYS

THAT HAVE SUGGESTED SPECIFIC

INFORMATION AND DATA AROUND THE

BLACK TRANS COMMUNITY OVER THE

LAST FEW YEARS INCLUDING THE

HORRIFIC INTENSITY IN THE

MURDERS.

A REPORT WAS PUT OUT CALLED

ERASED THAT CHRONICLES ALL OF

THE DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT

CONTRIBUTED TO THE MURDERS SINCE

2010.

THOSE ARE SOME REPORTS THAT WE

REFERENCE IN OUR WORK, BUT WE

DON'T HAVE TO REFERENCE BECAUSE

WE HAVE BEEN DIRECTLY ORGANIZING

AROUND THEM SO WE KNOW WHAT THE

REALITY IS.

UNFORTUNATELY, AMONGST THE AGE

OF THOSE KILLED AND MURDERED,

MOST RECENTLY A 17-YEAR-OLD IN

LITTLE ROCK, ARKANSAS WAS

MURDERED.

WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT OUR

SOCIETY WHEN A 17-YEAR-OLD IS

MURDERED BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK

AND TRANS.

>>> IN THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT

IT'S EASY TO POINT OUT THE

DICHOTOMY OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

YOU HAVE BLACK LIVES, YOU HAVE

POLICE OFFICERS, A LOT OF

ACCUSATIONS THAT POLICE OFFICERS

ARE NOT TREATING BLACK LIVES IN

AMERICA FAIRLY, JUSTLY OR GIVING

THEM EQUAL TREATMENT UNDER THE

LAW.

BUT IS THAT THE SAME THING WITH

BLACK TRANSPEOPLE, PARTICULARLY

BLACK TRANS WOMEN OF COLOR?

OR IS IT MORE COMPLICATED AND

NUANCED?

>> MORE NUANCED, NOT

COMPLICATED.

THE SAME SYSTEMS THAT ARE

KILLING BLACK PEOPLE AT THE THE

HANDS OF THE POLICE ARE THE SAME

SYSTEM ENCOURAGING THE MURDER OF

BLACK TRANS WOMEN.

SO THERE IS NO REALITY OF WHAT

IT MEANS TO BE A POOR BLACK

PERSON IN THIS COUNTRY.

THE PEOPLE AFFECTED BY PLUS

BRUTALITY ARE NOT

MULTIMILLIONAIRES, NOT PEOPLE

HEAVILY RESOURCED TO MAYBE HAVE

A DIFFERENT REALITY, AND EVEN IF

THEY ARE, BLACK PEOPLE ARE STILL

BEING MURDERED, SO WHETHER AT

THE HANDS OF THE POLICE OR

COMMUNITY.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S

IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IS THESE

MURDERS ARE HAPPENING DURING A

TIME WHEN WE ARE FACING A

PANDEMIC.

THE REALITY IS THAT THE BLACK

COMMUNITY HAS EXPERIENCED MANY

EPIDEMICS, WHETHER THE MURDER OF

BLACK TRANS WOMEN, AIDS,

SEGREGATION, SO THE IDEA THAT

BLACK STRUGGLE IS HAPPENING

OUTSIDE OF THE SYSTEM IS NOT

TRUE.

ANTI-BLACK SHOWS UP IN LGBTQ

PLACES, SHOWS UP IN THE WHITE

COMMUNITY, IN ALL OF US.

IT'S IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY AS

YOU THINK ABOUT STATE VIOLENCE,

WHAT THE ROLE OF THE STATE IS

POSED TO BE VERSUS WHAT IT

ACTUALLY IS.

THE STATE HAS NEVER KEPT ANY OF

US SAFE.

THE STATE HAS ONLY RESPONDED TO

UNSAFE CONDITIONS IN THE

COMMUNITIES THAT ARE RAVAGED BY

POVERTY AND ALSO BY A LACK OF

KNOWLEDGE AROUND WHAT IS

ANTI-BLACK AND WHAT IS

TRANSPHOBIA AND HOW DOES THAT

CHANGE THE WORLD OF

POSSIBILITIES.

>> AS SOMEONE WHO IS ALSO A

CO-FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE BLACK

LIVES MEMBER NETWORK, WHAT WOULD

YOU SAY TO THE ARGUMENT THAT,

WELL, BLACK TRANS PEOPLE ARE

BLACK PEOPLE, TOO, SO A RISING

TIDE LIFTS ALL SHIPS.

IF WE FIGHT FOR RIGHTS OF ALL

BLACK PEOPLE, WOULDN'T THAT HELP

THE BLACK PEOPLE WHO ARE TRANS?

>> THE REALITY IS THAT WE ARE

ALWAYS FIGHTING FOR BLACK

PEOPLE.

WHEREVER YOUR SPACE IS IN THE

MOVEMENT, WE ARE ALWAYS FIGHTING

FOR BLACK PEOPLE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT IS

MOST IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND.

WE ALL HAVE A DIFFERENT CROSS TO

BEAR AS IT RELATES TO WHAT IS

HAPPENING IN OUR WORLD.

THERE ARE NECESSARY SHIFTS AND

THERE IS NECESSARY ACTION THAT

WE ALL MUST TAKE, AND IT'S

IMPORTANT FOR BLACK TRANS PEOPLE

IN PARTICULAR TO UNDERSTAND THE

POWER WE HAVE WITH EACH OTHER

WHICH IS WHY THE MARSHA P.

JOHNSON INSTITUTE EXISTS SO WE

DON'T HAVE TO FIT INTO ANYBODY

ELSE'S MOVEMENT.

WE HAVE OUR OWN.

>>> WHAT DO YOU SEE IN TERMS OF

THE UNDERSTANDING -- I MEAN YOU

SPOKE ABOUT MARSHA P. JOHNSON

AND THE LANGUAGE USED TO

DESCRIBE HERSELF BECAUSE

LANGUAGE AROUND WHAT IT MEANT TO

BE A TRANSGENDER INDIVIDUAL WAS

STILL EVOLVING.

WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE PUBLIC

CONSCIOUSNESS EVOLVING AROUND

ISSUES OF NOT JUST BEING

TRANSGENDER, BUT ALSO BEING IN

THAT INTERSECTION OF BEING BLACK

AND TRANSGENDER?

>> I THINK PEOPLE ARE BECOMING

MORE AWARE OF WHAT IS DEFINED AN

ISSUE IN SOCIETY.

HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK THAT

PEOPLE REALLY HAVE AN

UNDERSTANDING AROUND THE JOY AND

BRILLIANCE OF THE COMMUNITY.

SO I THINK CULTURALLY WE ONLY

UNDERSTAND THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE

DOWN ON THEIR LUCK.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN BE IN

COMMUNITY IS BEING IN SERVICE TO

THEM AS OPPOSED TO THIS IS A

COMMUNITY THAT CAN SERVE ITSELF

AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO

PRACTICE TEACHING OUR MEMBERS

AROUND COLLABORATIVE SOLIDARITY

WHICH INVITES MEMBERS INTO A

LIFELONG DCOLLABORATION AS

OPPOSED TO MAYBE DOING ONE OR

TWO GOOD THINGS AND MOVE ON TO A

DIFFERENT SOCIAL CAUSE.

THE REALITY IS THAT

COLLABORATIVE SOLIDARITY IS

NEEDED NOW MORE THAN EVER.

EVERYONE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO

INVEST IN THAT.

A REAL WAY THAT EXTENDS ITSELF

BEYOND -- AND THAT LITERALLY

BECOMES A WAY OF LIFE AND

PRACTICE IN OUR EVERYDAY

CIRCUMSTANCES.

>> I THINK COLLABORATIVE

SOLIDARITY IS A GREAT WAY TO

LEAD INTO MY OTHER POINT.

THE BEST WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO

EXPR

EXP

EXPRESS ALLISHIP.

>> WE ARE SEEING A MOVEMENT

WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WEREN'T

PART OF BLACK LIVES MATTER

MOVEMENT OR PERHAPS WEREN'T PART

OF THE TRANS LIVES MATTER

MOVEMENT ARE NOW WANTING TO JOIN

AND SHOW ALLYSHIP.

WHERE ARE THE RESOURCES THAT

PEOPLE CAN GO TO?

>> THERE ARE SO MANY.

ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT AROUND

THE MARSHA P. JOHNSON INSTITUTE

IS DONATE.

WE ARE AN ORGANIZATION THAT

DEPENDS ON THE SUPPORT OF OUR

COMMUNITY TO STAY SUSTAINABLE

AND STAY IN ACTION.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS YOU

CAN SUPPORT OUR WORK.

YOU CAN CERTAINLY SUPPORT

ENSURING THAT YOUR FAMILIES AND

FRIENDS ARE ALSO SUPPORTING BY

DONATING AND GIVING THEIR TIME

BY VOLUNTEERING TO SUPPORT

CAUSES THAT MAYBE YOU NEVER

SUPPORTED BEFORE.

NOW IT'S TIME TO DO SOMETHING

YOU HAVE NEVER DONE BEFORE.

WE ARE WALKING AROUND WITH MAPS

TRYING TO SAVE OUR LIVES.

THAT'S NOT THE ONLY ACT THAT IS

POSSIBLE THIS TIME AROUND, DOING

LIFE-SAVING WORK.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS KEY FOR

PEOPLE DURING THIS TIME IS TO

REALLY EDUCATE YOURSELF.

EDUCATE YOURSELF AROUND THE

ISSUES YOU CONSIDER ISSUES.

I DON'T CONSIDER LIFE-SAVING

WORK IN PEOPLE'S SURVIVAL AS AN

ISSUE.

I FEEL LIKE THOSE ARE

NECESSITIES AND THINGS WE SHOULD

CARE ABOUT AS HUMAN BEINGS.

BUT I KNOW EVERYONE DOESN'T FEEL

THAT WAY.

IF YOU THINK THIS IS A POLITICAL

ISSUE, YOU SHOULD EDUCATE

YOURSELF, WHY IS CAPITALISM

SOMETHING BLACK TRANS PEOPLE

CAN'T ACCESS HEESPECIALLY WHEN U

HAVE THE MEANS TO DONATE.

DONATE, VOLUNTEER AND EDUCATE.

AND MAYBE EVEN ADD IN SOME

POLITICAL PIECES.

MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE

SUPPORTING THE DEMANDS OF

COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE

CALLING FOR NOT ONLY THE FIRES

OF OFFICERS, BUT ALSO THE

DEFUNDING AND ABOLISHING OF THE

POLICE.

THOSE ARE COMMUNITY DEMANDS THAT

PEOPLE CAN LEND THEIR VOICES TO

BY CALLING THEIR LOCAL AND STATE

POLITICIANS AND ALSO SIGNING

PETITIONS AND ALSO SHOWING UP AT

RALLIES AND ALL OF THE DIFFERENT

ACTIVITIES THAT PEOPLE ARE

ORGANIZING DURING THIS TIME TO

NOT ONLY ENCOURAGE OUR MOVEMENT

TO BE BIGGER AND BRIGHTER THAN

IT EVER HAS BEEN, BUT TO KEEP

ENCOURAGING IT TO CONTINUE

BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY AS STRONG AS

THE EFFORTS 20, 30 DAYS FROM

NOW, 60, 90 DAYS FROM NOW.

IT'S BEAUTIFUL TO SEE ALL OF THE

ACTIVITY IN THE STREETS, BUT WE

HAVE TO KEEP IT GOING AND ALIGN

OURSELVES SO WE DO NOT LEAVE

ROOM FOR ANY INTERRUPTIONS INTO

THE AGENDA OF LIBERATION FOR ALL

PEOPLE, BUT ESPECIALLY BLACK

TRANS PEOPLE.

>> PEOPLE ARE HEARING ALL OF

THIS AND READING BOOKS.

WHAT DOES THERE LOOK LIKE WHEN

WE FINALLY GET THERE AS A

COUNTRY?

>> IT'S AN AUTONOMOUS SPACE FOR

INDIVIDUALS TO BE ABLE TO DEFINE

THEMSELVES FOR THEMSELVES.

TO HAVE ACCESS TO MAKING CHOICES

AS RELATES TO THEIR BODIES IN

THE COMMUNITIES WITHOUT THE

POLICE AND GOVERNMENT BEING THE

FINAL SAY.

SO I THINK WHEN YOU HEAR THE

WORD LIBERATION YOU SHOULD THINK

ABOUT THE POLICE NOT BEING ABLE

TO KILL PEOPLE, BUT ALSO NOT

HAVING THE RESOURCES TO CONTINUE

TO BUILD AN ARMY OF POWER

AGAINST INNOCENT AND PEOPLE WHO

MIGHT NOT BE INNOCENT.

WE HAVE TO RETHINK WHAT IT MEANS

TO BE ALIVE AND TO THINK ABOUT

WHAT WE REQUIRE IN REGARDS TO

THOSE WHO SHOULD BE PUNISHED.

DEATH SHOULD NEVER BE AN END ALL

OPTION FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO WE

MIGHT CONSIDER TO BE DANGEROUS

IN SOCIETY.

BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY

THAT IS THE REGIME OF A

GOVERNMENT THAT CERTAINLY DOES

NOT WANT TO SEE BLACK PEOPLE

EXIST.

THAT IS SOMETHING WE REALLY HAVE

TO UNDERSTAND AROUND WHAT IS

GOING ON.

>> EL, WE ARE COMING UP ON THE

END OF OUR TIME, BUT I WOULD BE

REMISS IF I DIDN'T ASK YOU ABOUT

THE RECENT SUPREME COURT

DECISION IN REGARDS TO THE

RIGHTS OF NOT ONLY LGBTQ PEOPLE,

BUT HOW YOU SEE THAT IMPACTING

THE COMMUNITY NOW THAT THE

SUPREME COURT HAS WEIGHED IN.

>> IT'S LONG OVERDUE.

THE REALITY THAT THE GOVERNMENT

AND STATE HAS HAD THE ABILITY TO

MAKE DECISIONS AROUND PEOPLE'S

LIVELIHOOD FOR THIS LONG SAYS SO

MUCH ABOUT WHY A LIBERATION

MOVEMENT IS TAKING PLACE.

BECAUSE THESE THINGS EXIST

DEEPLY IN OUR WORKPLACES, IN OUR

HOME AND ALSO IN OUR MIND.

THIS IS LONG OVERDUE AND THERE

ARE SO MANY MORE DECISIONS THAT

NEED TO BE MADE, NOT ONLY AT THE

HANDS OF THE SUPREME COURT, BUT

ULTIMATELY BY THE PEOPLE.

>> ALL RIGHT.

I WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

TAKING TIME TO JOIN ME.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, FOR TALKING TO

US A LITTLE MORE ABOUT, AGAIN,

THE INTERSECTION OF BEING A

BLACK TRANS PERSON AND MORE

IMPORTANTLY, A BLACK TRANS WOMAN

AND WHY THAT IS SO IMPORTANT FOR

YOUR WORK TO SUPPORT THAT

PARTICULAR GROUP.

I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR

JOINING US AND TELLING US MORE

ABOUT MARSHA P. JOHNSON, A

PIVOTAL CHARACTER OR PERSON IN

THE FIGHT FOR LGBTQ RIGHTS.

THANK YOU.

>> YES, ABSOLUTELY.

AN HISTORIC PERSON IN OUR

MOVEMENT HISTORY THAT WE ALL

SHOULD KNOW AFTER THIS DAY,

MOVING FORWARD.

>> I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING WITH

ELLE HEARNE, A CO-FOUNDING

MEMBER OF THE BLACK LIVES

MATTER, AND THE FOUNDER OF THE

MARSHA P. JOHNSON FUND.

>>> MADE POSSIBLE BY A

PROGRAMMING ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT

ANTI-SEMITISM, JODY AND JOHN

AR

ARNHOLD, DR. ROBERT C. AND TINA

STONE FOUNDATION.