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MetroFocus: February 12, 2020

“American Oligarchs” investigates the rise of the Trump and Kushner families to the pinnacle of wealth and power. We’ll show you “The New York Nobody Knows” with a man who has walked nearly every block of the city’s 6,000 miles.

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>>> TONIGHT ON "METROFOCUS."

THE STORY OF TWO DYNASTIES AS

HAS NEVER BEEN TOLD BEFORE.

THE NEW BOOK, AMERICAN OLIGARCHS

INVESTIGATES THE RISE OF THE

TRUMP AND KUSHNER FAMILIES TO

WEALTH AND POWER.

WHAT DOES THEIR PAST TELL US

ABOUT AMERICA'S FUTURE?

THEN WE TAKE A STROLL ACROSS NEW

0 LE'S

THOSE STORIES AND MORE AS

"METROFOCUS" STARTS RIGHT NOW.

>> THIS IS "METROFOCUS" WITH

RAFAEL PI ROMAN, JACK FORD, AND

JENNA FLANAGAN.

>> "METROFOCUS" IS MADE POSSIBLE

BY

JAMES AND MERRYL TISCH,

SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM III,SYT

ANTI-SEMITISM.

BERNARD AND IRENE SCHWARTZ,

ROSALIND P. WALTER,

BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG,

AND BY --

>>> GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO "METROFOCUS."

THE TRUMPS, THE KUSHNERS, AND

THE RISE OF TWO POWER HUNGRY

AMERICAN DYNASTIES.

THAT'S THE SUBJEF

FASCINATING NEW BOOK, AMERICAN

OLIGARCHS.

THE KUSHNERS, THE TRUMPS AND THE

MARRIAGE OF MONEY AND POWER.

UNCOVERS HOW BOTH FAMILIES ROSE

FROM HUMBLE IMMIGRANT

TH OF POWER AND

IMMIGRANTS.

HOW THEY HARNESSED NEW YORK

POLITICS AND BUILT WLTER PROGRA

HELP THE MIDDLE CLASS, OFTEN TO

THE EXCLUSION OF BLACKS AND

OTHER MINORITIES.

AND IT BRINGS AGE WHEN THE TWO S

NOW JOINED BY MARRIAGE WOULD

BRING THOSE SAME PRACTICES TO

CONSOLIDATE THEIR POWER ON A

GLOBAL SCALE.

JOINING US NOW IS AWARD WINNING

INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, ANDREA

BERNSTEIN WHO FOR DECADES HAS

BEEN COVERING THE CONFLUENCE OF

MONEY, POWER AND CORRUPTION IN

THE WORLD OF BUSINESS OF

POLITICS.

ANDREA, WELCOME TO "METROFOCUS."

>> IT IS REALLY GREAT TO BE HERE

WITH YOU.

>> SO GREAT.

THIS BOOK IS INTENSE, TO PUT IT

MILDLY.

SO FIRST I WANT TO START.

THIS SEEMS TO BE THE

ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS SPAWN AD

MILLION BOOKS.

SO WHAT WAS IT ABOUT THIS

PARTICULAR NARRATIVE THAT YOU

FOUND TO BE THE MOST UNIQUE?

>> WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS TO

HE JTO

WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW AND WHAT

IS HAPPENING IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

BUT TO TELL THE WHOLE

MULTIGENERATIONAL SAGA OF THESE

TWO FAPS AND HOW THEY CAPE

TOGETHER.

IT IS ALSO A STORY ABOUT OUR

DEMOCRACY AND THE CHOICES WE

HAVE MADE AS A NATION OR NOT

MADE THAT HAVE LED TO AN

INCREASED INFLUENCE OF WEALTH IN

OUR MODERN POLITICS.

MUCH MORE, EVERY DAY, WE SEE

MOREHA D

DAY BEFORE.

AND EVEN FOR ME, I MEAN, I'VE

COVERED CORRUPTION, PARTICULARLY

IN NEW YORK AND NEW JERSEY FOR A

QUARTER CENTURY.ANHAVE NEVER SE

LIKE WHAT IS GOING ON NOW.

SO WHAT I WANTED TO TELL WAS

THESE THREE STRANDS BRAIDEDERTH

OUR DEMOCRACY AND THE CHOICES

WE'VE MADE AND PERHAPS DIFFERENT

CHOICES THAT WE CAN MAKE IN THE

FUTURE TO CORRECT FOR SOME OF

THESE TRENDS.

>> WELL, I WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE

USE OF THE WORD OLIGARCHS.

THAT TENDS TO MAKE MOST PEOPLE

THINK OF RUSSIA AND SOME OF THE

POLITICAL CORRUPTION THAT WE SEE

THERE.

WHY CHOOSE THAT WORD IN THE

TITLE FOR YOUR BOOK?Y CAME ONE

WASN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT ALL

THE RUSSIAN AND UKRAINIAN

OLIGARCHS THAT WE WOULD LEARN

ABOUT SUBSEQUENTLY THROUGH THE

MUELLER REPORT, THROUGH UKRAINE

INVESTIGATION.

WHAT I DID UNDERSTAND

FUNDAMENTALLY IS THAT IN OUR OWN

SOCIETY, THERE IS SUCH A GREATER

INFLUENCE BY WE THINKY PEOPLE ON

GOVERNMENT.

SO LET ME BACKTRACK A LITTLE

BIT.

I THINK ONE OF THE AHA MOMENTS

FOR ME, DURING PAUL MANAFORT'S

TRIAL, AND THERE WAS A WITNESS

THAT WAS PUT ON THE STAND WHO

WAS A CONSULTANT THAT WORKED

WITH PAUL MANAFORT IN SUPPORT OF

THE CORRUPT UKRAINIAN STRONG MAN

PRESIDENT.

AND THEY KEPT HIM IN POWER FOR

TEN YEARS.

AND THIS WITNESS WAS ASKED, DO

YOU KNOW WHO PAID YOU?

AND HE SAID OH, YES, VERY RICH

PEOPLE.

THEY CALL THEM OLIGARCHS.

TO ME, THIS WAS SUCH AN AHA

MOMENT.

I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, THERE IS NO

SUPER PAC, THERE IS NO CAMPAIGN

FINANCE COMMITTEE, THE OLIGARCHS

JUST PAY FOR THE CONSULTANTS TO

GET THE CANDIDATES THEY WANT

WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT

THOSE THE CANDIDATES WILL THEN

ENABLE THEM TO KEEP GETTING

RICHER AND RICHER AND IT BECOMES

A SPIRAL.

SO THEY GET RICHER, THEY CAN

SUPPORT THE CANDIDATE THEY LIKE

MORE, AND THAT'S WHAT IS

HAPPENING IN UKRAINE.

WE'RE NOT THERE YET.

WE STILL HAVE A SYSTEM OF

DISCLOSURES, WE STILL HAVE

DEMOCRACY.

BUT WE ARE MOVING TOWARD THAT.

AND ONE OF THE BIG REASONS WE'RE

MOVING TOWARD THAT IS DONALD

TRUMP.

BOTH BECAUSE OF THE WAYS HE

BEHAVED AS A BUSINESSMAN AND THE

WAY HE BEHAVED AS HAS BEEN

BEHAVING AS PRESIDENT.

SO AS A BUSINESSMAN IN NEW YORK,

AND I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THIS

WHEN I STARTED WRITING.

HE REALLY I ARKIC WAY.

HE GAVE SO MUCH MONEY TO LOCAL

ELECTED OFFICIALS AND EXPECTED

SOMETHING IN RETURN.

SO I CALLED MANY, MANY PUBLIC

OFFICIALS OVER THE YEARS.

AND I SAID DO YOU KNOW WHY SO

AND SO GAVE YOU A DON'T

DESTINATION WELL, TUPPORT

MY POLITICS.

WITH DONALD TRUMP, WHEN I WOULD

CALL PEOPLE, WHEN THEY WERE

BEING HONEST, I WOULD SAY DO YOU

KNOW WHY DONALD TRUMP GAVE THIS

TO YOU?

OH, YES, BTO

ME.

HE CALLED ME UP SCREAMING AT ME.

I GAVE YOU A $20,000

CONTRIBUTION.

WHERE'S MY PERMIT?

WHERE'S MY VARIANCE?

WHERE'S MY TAX BREAK, ET

HD EXTREMELY

TRANSACTIONAL VIEW OF POLITICS

EVEN IN A WORLD WHERE EVERYBODY

IN THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY

UNDERSTANDS YOU NEED TO

CONTRIBUTE TO PEOPLE BECAUSE

THEY CONTROL YOUR BUSINESS.

DONALD TRUMP AND HIS FATHER

BEFORE HIM WERE OURS.HEHAD THIS

OF BEING WEALTHY PEOPLE HAD A

WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO GOVERNMENT

THAT'S THE, WOULD GET BENEFITS

IN RETURN.

ONE OF THE TAX BREAKS HE GOT FOR

HIS EARLIEST BUSINESS DEALS, I

JUST WENTHECKHE

NEW YORK DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE.

IT WAS WORTH $400 MILLION IN

TOTAL ON.

IT WAS $400 MILLION.

HE SOLD THE PROPERTY.

THIS WAS WHAT IS NOW THE GRAND

HYATT HOTEL.

HE NO LONGER OWNS IT.

BUT HE NEGOTIATED A DEAL FOR A

40-YEAR TAX BREAK THAT THE CITY

IS STILL.

HCTICED THIS SESSION OF

GIVING A LOT OF MONEY TO THE

POLITICIANS, EXPECTING TO GET

SOMETHING BACK AND THEN GIVING

THEM MORE.

AND THAT IS THE OLIGARCHIC MODEL

THAT HE HAS BROUGHT WITH HIM TO

THE WHITE HOUSE. W HE HAS

TELEGRAPHED TO VERY WEALTHY

PEOPLE.

I AM GOING TO TREAT YOU THE WAY

I EXPECTED TO BE TREATED AS A

BUSINESSMAN.

HE DOES IT EVERY DAY.

HE DOES IT OPENLY.

PEOPLE WHO PATRONIZE HIS HOTELS,

HIS GOLF COURSES, NOT TOG OLD-F

GIVING TO HIS CAMPAIGN.

GET PREFERENCE TREATMENT.

WE SEE IT, WE HEAR IT, THERE ARE

TAPES, HE TWEETS IT OUT.

IF HE DOESN'T LIKE YOU, HE WILL

SAY THAT YOU SHOULD BE

INVESTIGATED BY THE JUSTICE

DEPARTMENT.

,S OLIGARCHIC

BEHAVIOR.

SO THE TITLE EVEN MORE THAN I

KNEW WHEN I CHOSE IT, WHEN I

STARTED THIS BOOK PROJECT TWO

YEARS AGO, HAS UNFORTUNATELY

MORE NOW.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I

THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING WAS THAT

YOUR BOOK, NOT ONLY D I ANY PUN.

IT DOESN'T RAE LET ANYONE OFF

THE HOOK OF WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT

ASSOCIATE WITH THE PRESIDENT, HE

IS PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE.

THE WHOLE TIME HE WAS DONATING

AND EXPECTING THESE FAVORS FROM

BOTH PARTIES.

>> RIGHT, AND AS A MATTER OF

FACT, HE STARTED HIS CAREER BY

ESSENTIALLY CONTROLLING THE

BROOKLYN DEMOCRATIC ES O OF EORS

THE TRUMP FAMILY REAL ESTATE

BUSINESS WAS BUILT.

WAS BY GETTING THE ABATEMENTS,

THE FAVORS, THE FEDERAL LOAN

PACKAGES WHICH WERE OFTEN

CONTROLLED BY PEOPLE CONTROLLED

BY THE PARTY.

SO FOR HIM, IT WAS NOT ONLY, IT

WASOTNLEP

ACTUALLY DEMOCRAT.

FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

AND IT IS CERTAINLY THIS SORT OF

OVERALL PATTERN OF

CONTRIBUTIONS, AS SOMETHING THAT

THIS COUNTRY IS DEALING WITH THE

TROUBLING CONSEQUENC PASSED THE

ANNIVERSARY OF THE CITIZENS

UNITED COURT DECISION.

THAT WAS THE DECISION THAT

ALLOWED UNLIMITED BAL

CORPORATE CONTRIBUTIONS INTO

CAMPAIGNS.

AND WE'RE LOOKING WITH THE

EFFECTS OF THAT.

AND DONALD TRUMP BENEFITTED FROM

THAT WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT,

THAT COURT DECISION WAS VERY

CONSCIOUSLY FUNDED BY THE COURT

CAER W FAMILIES IN

AMERICA.

THE FAMILY, THE PRINCE

FAMILY, RELATED TO BETSY DeVOS

OF THE THEY WANTED TO GET RID OF

CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION AND THEY

SUPPORTED THE LAWSUIT AND THEY

WON OF THEY BROKE THE SYSTEM

ALONG THE WAY.

ONE OF THE SCENES IN THE BOOK, I

TALK ABOUT BEING IN OHIO IN

2010.

RIGHT AFTER THE COURT DECISION.

ANDRE ANDTHE ADS SAY THINGS LIK

HAVE PICTURES OF PRISON BARS,

PICTURES OF BAGS OF CASHY

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A NOTICEABLY BIG BOOST IN

TELEVISION AIR TIME FROM

PREVIOUSAM H

IF YOU'RE A RATIONAL PERSON AND

YOU LIVE IN A SWING STATE AND

ALL YOU HEAR ALL THE TIME IS THE

GOVERNMENT IS STEALING FROM YOU,

AND THEN DONALD TRUMP COMES IN

AND SAYS, THE GOVERNMENT IS

'MOIO

FIX IT.

THAT WAS AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT

HE MADE VERY GOOD USE OF.

NOW, OF COURSE, HE DIDN'T FIX

IT.

HE BROKE IT BEYOND RECOGNITION.

BUT HE WAS ABLE TO PLAY UPON THE

SYSTEM THAT HAD BEEN BROKEN BYO

HIM.

>> OF COURSE.

AND WITHOUT GETTING TOO MUCH

FURTHER INTO, THAT I DO WANT TO

TALK ABOUT THE STORIES OF BOTH

THESE MEN.

THESE ARE TWO IMMIGRANT FAMILIES

WHICH JUXTAPOSED TO SOME OF THE

POLICIES FROM THE ADMINISTRATION

MAKES IT INCREDIBLY IRONIC.

BUT LET'S START WITH THE TRUMPS

AND THEN OF COURSE, THE

KUSHNERS, AN INCREDIBLY

HARROWING STORY.

>> DONALD TRUMP'S GRANDFATHER,

FREDERICK TRUMP, IMMIGRATED IN

1885.

A TIME LIKE OUR OWN.

THE GUILDED AGE.

BIG DISPARITIES IN WEALTH.

IT WASN'T JUST THAT PEOPLE WERE

WEALTHY.

THEY WANTED EVERYONE TO KNOW IT.

THERE WAS A RESTAURANT IN

MANHATTAN, DELMONS

ARTIFICIAL LAKE AND

SWANS SWIMMING AROUND AND PEOPLE

HAD ACTUAL GOLD TOILETS IN THEIR

HOMES.

THE BIG MANSIONS BUILT UP AND

DOWN THE HUDSON VALLEY.

PEOPLE WERE WEALTHY .

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT TIME

AND OUR OWN TIME WAS THAT YOU

COULD STILL CHANGE YOUR SOCIAL

CLASS.

RRIVED IN NEW YORK.

HE WORKED AS A BARBER AND THEN

HE GOES WEST.

HE ZBEETS THE LOSS THAT I

RETALIATED BUSINESS.

FIRST IN SEATTLE, THEN IN THE

UCONN.

AND DURING THE LAST NORTH

AMERICAN GOAD RUSHERING BUILD A

YUKON CATERING TO THE APPETITES

OF THE PROSPECTORS FOR FOOD AND

LIQUOR AND ACCESS TO SEX.

AND HE SITUATES HIS RESTAURANTS

WHERE THERE WILL BE A LOT OF

FOOT TRAFFIC, PEOPLE WILL BE

COMING THROUGH.

HE MAKES MONEY.

HE KOCOMES BACK TO NEW YORK ANDE

INVESTS IN RESTAURANTS IN QUEENS

RIGHT AT THE TIME GOVERNMENT IS

GETTING READY TO BUILD A BRIDGE

TO. HAD BEEN CUT OFF

FROM MANHATTAN.

IT HAS BECOME MUCH MORE

ACCESSIBLE WHICH MEANS LAND WILL

BECOME MUCH MORE VALUABLE.

THAT REALLY BECOMES

FOR THE TRUMP FAMILY BUSINESS.

THEY UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS NOT

JUST THE LAND.

IT IS THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT

WILL DO THINGS TO ENHANCE THE

VALUE OF THE LAND THAT IS

IMPORTANT.

AND THEN THEY BEGIN THE CYCLE,

FIRST MOSTLY WITH DONALD TRUMP'S

FATHER FRED TRUMP

NAP.

DONATIONS AND TAX BENEFITS.

AND ONE OF THE STORIES I TELL IN

THE BOOK IS ABOUT HOW TRUMP

TOWER ON, WHICH WAS, SO THERE IS

A TERM MANY REAL ESTATE CALLEDTN

THE CITY.

SO TRUMP TOW WEOCATION OF TIFFA.

AND YET, DONALD TRUMP WAS ABLE

TO ARGUE A COURT CASE THAT HE

WAS ENTITLED TO TENS OF MILLIONS

OF DOLLARS IN TAX BREAKS THAT

WERE DESIGNED FOR AFFORDABLE

HOUSING.T TRUMP FAMILY

BUSINESS MODEL.

THAT'S HOW THEIR BUSINESS

DEVELOPED.

NOW, WHEN TRUMP PASSED THE JOBS

ACT, THE TAX CUTS AND JOBS ACT

OF 2017, IT, BECAUSE IT ALLOWED

SO MUCH MORE ACCUMULATION OF

WEALTH BY THE VERY WEALTHY AND

IN PARTICULAR, BY CORPORATIONS,

WHAT IT MEANT WAS THAT THE

SOCIAL ELASTICITY THAT HIS

GRANDFATHER HAD BENEFITED FROM,

FRIEDERICH TRUMP HADFROMO FEWERD

FEWER PEOPLE.

SO IT IS HARDER TO CHALLENGE

YOUR CLASS NOW THAN IT WAS --

>> DURING THE GILDED AGE.

>> RIGHT.

>> TELL ME A LITTLE ABOUT THE

KUSHNERS.

>> SO THEUSAM

IG NEW YORK AT A

DIFFERENT ANAHEIM OUR HISTORY.

THEY, JARED KUSHNER'S

GRANDPARENTS WERE FROM

NORTHEASTERN POLAND.

AN AREA INVADED FIRST BY THE

SOVIET UNION.

THEN BY THE NAZIS.

AND THERE WAS A, ONE OF THE

THINGS THAT'S MOST TRAGIC IN THE

BOOK.

ONE OF THE THINGS I KNOW IS THAT

THERE WERE A SERIES OF

TESTIMONIES LEFT BY THE

SURVIVORS, INCLUDING BY JARED

KUSHNER'S GRANDMOTHER.

AND SHE TELLS THE STORY OF

LIVING IN P

AND THEY HEARD STORIES ABOUT THE

NAZIS COMING IN AND KILLING

PEOPLE IN SOUTHERN POLAND.

THEY JUST DIDN'T BELIEVE IT.

AND THEN THE NAZIS MARCHED INTO

THEIR TOWN AND AT FIRST, IT

SEEMED OKAY.E WE

MURDERED BUT THEY TOLD

THEMSELVES, WELL, MAYBE IT WAS

BECAUSE THEY WERE INSURGENTS OR

THEY WERE DOING SOMETHING WRONG.

THOUSANDS AND THEN TENS OF

THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WERE

MURDERED.

AND THERE WERE ONLY A FEW

HUNDRED OF THEM LEFT.

WHAT THEY DECIDE TO DO IS THEY

TAKE BITS OF WOOD, SPOONS,

ANYTHING THEY CAN SMUGGLE PAST

THE NAZI GUARD AND THEY DIG A

TUNNEL PAST THE BARBED WIRE.

IT TAKES THREE MONTHS.

THEY PUT THE BAGS OF DIRT IN THE

BECAUSE SO THE NAZIS WILL NOT

KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

AND THEN ON A RAINY SEPTEMBER

NIGHT, THEY CRAWL OUT THROUGH A

W

SOME 300 FEET.

MANY OF THEM HE IS CAME TO THE

FOREST WHERE THERE IS A BAND OF

JEWISH PARTISANS AND THEY STAY

THERE THROUGH WAR.

THEY LIVE IN THESE

SEMIUNDERGROUND STRUCTURE TLAUS

BRUTAL POLISH WINTER.

JARED KUSHNER'SNDTHER

NE M W LL S KILLED,

HER BROTHER WAS KILLED.EYACKTH

IT'S A WASTELAND.

THEY WANT TO GET OUT.

THEY'RE NOW OCCUPIED BY THE

SOVIET UNION.

THE SOVIET UNION DOESN'T WANT

THEM TO LEAVE.

THEY POSE AS GREEKS AND THEY

BOARD A TRAIN.

THEY

THAT'S WHERE JARED KUSHNER'S

GRANDMOTHER, RAE KUSHNER, MEETS

UP WITH A YOUNG MAN SHE HAD

KNOWN BEFORE THE WAR AND THEY

MARRY AND THEY CONTINUE THEIR

JOURNEY SOUTH.

THEY SNEAK AROUND BORDER GUARDS.

THEY WALK ACROSS BORDERS

ILLEGALLY.

THEY GET TO A REFUGEE CAMP IN

ITALY.

THEY'RE STATELESS.

THEY HAVE NO DOCUMENTS.

NO ONE WANTS TO TAKE THEM IN.

NOT SOUTH AFRICA, NOT THE U.K.,

NOT THE U.S.

AND WE'VE JUSTSE

ANNIVERSARY OF THE LIBERATION OF

AUSCHWITZ.

BY THIS TIME, AMERICANS KNEW THE

EXPERIENCE THAT THE JEWS HAD HAD

IN EUROPE.

THERE WERE STILL IMMIGRA

H ON IDEA THAT

JARED KUSHNER'S GRANDFATHER WILL

POSE AS RAE KUSHNER'S FATHER'S

SON.

HE CHANGES HIS NAME TO JOE

KUSHNER AND THEY GET PAYMENTS OF

THEY'RE ABLE TO IMMIGRATE AND

THEY TAKE A TWO-WEEK BOAT RIDE

AND ARRIVE IN NEW YORK WITH $2

IN THEIR POCKETS.

HE WORKS AS A CARPENTER, HE GETS

JOBS, HE BECOMES A BUILDER.

HE BUYS A PLOT OF LAND AND IT IS

A GREAT TIME TO BE A BUILDER IN

NEW JERSEY.

AFTER THE WAR, ALL THIS FEDERAL

MONEY IS GOING INTO LOAN

PROGRAMS, ARE TO ROADS SO YOU

CAN GET TO SUBURBAN HOUSING.

AND FROM $2 IN HIS POCKET, HE

BECOMES A MILLIONAIRE MANSHE TI

1980s.

>> AND I THINK THAT'S INCREDIBLY

IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT.

A LOT OF THESE FEDERAL PROGRAMS,

AS I SORT OF ALLUDED TO IN THE

INTRO, WERE INTENTIONALLY

EXCLUDING DEFINITELYAFCAERICTH

WELL.

SO THAT WAS SOMETHING, WHETHER

INTENTIONALLY OR NOT, TO HELP

BUILD ON.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I FIND SO

INTERESTING IS THAT AT LEAF NOW

WHEN WE HEAR IMMIGRANT

NARRATIVES, WE OPENED THE HEAR

STORIES OF EITHER COMMUNITIES OR

FAMILIES WANTING TO BRING OTHERS

ALONG AND TO HELP.

AND I'M WONDERING, WHAT FROMHOO

THE VALUES THAER

DOWN?

BASICALLY, HOW DID WE GET TO THE

CHARACTERS WE KNOW TODAY?

>> WELL, IT IS REALLY

COMPLICATEDOLOCST

STORY.

THERE ARE A LOT OF LESSONS TO BE

LEARNED.

I THINK A LESSON PEOPLE WOULD

ASSUME WOULD BE NG AND WELCOMIN

TO REFUGEES SUCH AS YOURSELF,

WE'RE IN AN ADMINISTRATION WHERE

NOT ONLY ARE IMMIGRANTS BEING

KEPT OUT BUT EVEN REFUGEE

RESETTLEMENT IS AT MODERN

HISTORIC LOWS.

BUT THERE IS ANOTHER STRAIN THAT

COMES FROM PEOPLE WHO SURVIVE

THE HOLOCAUST.

A SENSE THAT I MUST PROTECT

MYSELF AND MY FAMILY AT ALL

COSTS.

?

ALSO SOMETHING WE SEE A BO J HI

FATHER CHARLIE KUSHNER, IS THE

SENSE THAT RULES ARE FOR OTHER

PEOPLE.

IF YOU WERE LIVING UNDER THE

NAZIS, YOU WERE CONSTANTLY

HAVING TO DEFY THE AUTHORITIES

JUST TO LIVE.

BUT THAT IS ANOTHER THAT

HAS CAN TRACKED THROUGH THE

GENERATIONS.

NOW, I WANT TO SAY THAT THESE

ARE, I MEAN, JOE AND RAE KUSHNER

HAD FOUR CHILDREN.

THERE WAS A SPLIT IN THE FAMILY

AND SOME OF JARED KUSHNER'S

COUSINS HAVE MADE DIFFERENT

CHOICES IN THEIR LIVES.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO

POINT OUT IN THE BOOK, WHILE

THESE FAMILIES EMBLEMATIC,

THEY'RE NOT TYPICAL.

AND THEY MADE CHOICES.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED

TO DO IN AMERICAN OLIGARCHS CHO

SPECIFIC FAMILIES MADE.

BECAUSE IF ONE THINKS THOSE ARE

NOT THE CORRECT CHOICES, AND I

SHOW WHERE THE CHOICES WERE

MADE, THERE IS A SENSE OF, OKAY,

WELL, THERE IS POWER IN

UNDERSTANDING WHAT HAPPENED

HERE.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR A GREAT

BOOK, FOR A FABULOUS PODCAST,

AND YEAH.

I REALLY CANNOT HE SAID IF A

SIZE ENOUGH HOW MANY OF A

FASCINATING READ AND A BETTER

UNDERSTANDING YOU GAVE ME OF

THESE TWO FAMILIES.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

IT'S GREAT TO SPEAK WITH YOU.

>>> IMAGINE WALKING NEARLY EVERY

SINGLE BLOCK IN NEW YORK CITY.

ALL 120,000 OF THEM.

SOUNDS IMPOSSIBLE, RIGHT?

WELL, OUR NEXT GUEST TONIGHT HAS

DONE EXACTLY THAT AND HE'S NOT

JUST STILL STANDING.

HE'SCTUA WALKING.

WILLIAM, A SOCIOLOGY PROFESSOR

AT THE CITY COLLEGE OF NEW YORK,

SPENT FOUR YEARS NAVIGATING THE

FIVE BURROUGHS AND THE ROUGHLY

6,000 MIZE OF PAVEMENT BETWEEN

THEY WILL.

ALONG HIS NEW YORK JOURNEY, HE

WENT THROUGH TEN PAIRS OF SHOES

ISSUES IMPACTING THE CITY,

GENTRIFICATION AND CRIME.

IT HAS SINCE BECOME FOUNDATION

OF HIS BOOK, THE NEW YORK NOBODY

KNOWS.

WALKING 6,000 MILES IN THE CITY.

AND HE JOINS ME NOW TO TALK

ABOUT THAT AND H NEXT

ADVENTURE.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> IT'S A FABULOUS BOOK.

GREAT PHOTOS.

I WAS FASCINATED BY THE GENESIS

OF THIS.

THE IDEA THAT YOU ACQUIRED THIS

YOU AND YOUR DAD USED TO TAKE.

>> SOU SPENT YOUR

CAREER WRITING OTHER BOOKS AND

THEN SUDDENLY THE BOOK THAT YOU

REALLY WANT TO DO COMES TO THE

FORE, SOMEWHAT LATER IN YOU ARE

DOCTOR CAREER.

IT WAS THAT WAY WITH THIS BOOK.

THE IMMEDIATE EMPHASIS, MY CHAIR

SAID YOU'VE BEEN TEACHING AUREW.

WHY DON'T YOU GET OUT THERE AND

WRITE A BOOK ABOUT IT.

WHEN I LOOKED AT MY SYLLABUS, I

SAW THAT NO ONE HAD EVER DONE

ANYTHING LIKE THIS.

NO ONE HAD EVER WALKED.

THE REAL GENESIS FOR DOING THIS

BOOK CAME FROM MY FATHER WHO,

WHEN I GREW UP HERE ON THE WEST

SIDE OF NEW YORK, 105th

AND MY FATHER HAD A GAME,

ENTERTAINMENT FOR US.

WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY SO THIS

SEEMED LIKE GOOD WAY TO DO

SOMETHING.

WE WOULD GO TO THE SUBWAY AND WE

WOULD TRIED SUBWAY TO THEOPTHEN

AROUND.

WHEN I WALKED AROUND, I LEARNED

A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT ABOUT THE

CITY.

>> WHEN YOU DECIDED TO GO OUT

AND DO THIS BOOK, DID YOU HAVE

ANY IDEA THEN AT WHAT THE SCOPE

WAS GOING TO TURN OUT TO BE?

>> YOU KNOW, A GREAT QUESTION.

THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT

IF I HAD THOUGHT THAT I WAS

GOINGAL6,00

KNEW THE CITY WAS THE 6163 MILES

OF STREETS, IF I HAD REALLY,

REALLY A IT

PROBABLY WOULD HAVE CHICKENED

OUT.

I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE NEVER

DOUBLE IT.

I COULD NOT IMAGINE MYSELF

WALKING THOSE BE KIND OF

DISTANCES.

YOU WALK IT LIKE YOU WALK A

MOUNTAIN.

ONE STEP AT A TIME.

30 MIZE A

YEAR, FOUR TIMES 15, 6,000 AND

YOU'RE THERE.

>> DID ANYBODY SAY TO YOU,

YOU'RE AN ACADEMIC.

YOU HAVE THESE MARVELOUS BOOKS

YOU'VE WRITTEN BEFORE HAND.

NOW I SEE YOU ON THE STREET

EVERY DAY WALKING AROUND.

DID ANYBODY SAY TO YOU, IS THIS

KIND OF A CRAZY IDEA THAT YOU'VE

LATCHED ON TO?

>> WELL, SOME PEOPLE SAID TO MEO

BE WILLING TO DO THIS.

THE CRAZY, YOU KNOW, IN A NICE

POSITIVE, FUN SENSE.

I WAS ALWAYS OUT IN THE FIELD.

I DID RESEARCH IN HAITI, I LIVED

IN A HAITIAN VILLAGE FOR A

WHILE.

MY FIRST BOOK WAS ABOUT A BRANCA

I LIVED, WORKED AND TRAVELED

WITH THEM.

SO I HAVE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF

MY CAREER WALKING AROUND,

TALKING TO PEOPLE.

I'M WHAT YOU CALL A QUALITATIVE

RESEARCHER AND I FEEL THAT YOU

REALLY NEED TO GET TO THE

ESSENCE.

IF YOU TAKE THIS BOOK, I WAS

WALKING ONthTR

JAMAICA.

AND I PASSED A HOME WHERE THERE

WERE BEAUTIFUL FLOWERS IN FRONT

OF THE HOME.

AND I HAPPENED TO SEE THE MAN

GOING OUT.

I SAID TO HIM, TELL ME

SOMETHING.

WHERE DID YOU GET THESE GORGEOUS

FLOWERS FROM?

AND HE SAID THESE FLOWERS COME

FROM MY HOME LAND IN GUYANA.

EVERY MORNING WHEN I GO OUT, I

LOOK AT THESE FLOWERS AND I

REMEMBER THE BEAUTIFUL HOME THAT

I HAD THERE.

MY BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY.

AND THAT HELPS ME GET THROUGH

THE DAY.

>> THERE ARE SO MANY GREAT

STORIES LIKE THAT IN THIS BOOK.

AND I THINK EVEN IF YOU DON'T

LIVE IN NEW YORK CITY,IT GATPP

SOMEBODY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT NEW

YORK CITY.

THE LAST THING FOR YOU, THE

SUCCESS OF THIS SGOOK WHAT

YOU'VE DONE HAS LED TO NOW,

ANOTHER PROJECT.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A L

L BURROUGHS.

A WALKING GUIDED TOUR.

THE FIRST IS BROOKLYN?

>> THE BROOKLYYKN URBAN WALKING

PHOTOGRAPHS.

WE GET 58 MILLION TOURIST AS

YEAR.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE

HERE.

THEY'RE NOSTALGIC ABOUT

BROOKLYN.

ALL THESE PEOPLE WILL, WE THINK

INVOLVES THE PERSON, THE AUTHOR

TALKING, HAVING A CONVERSATION

WITH PEOPLE.

IT FOCUSES ON THE THINGS THAT

NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT THESE

NEIGHBORHOODS.

WHEN YOU'REMI

ALL 44 NEIGHBORHOODS OF

BROOKLYN, YOU MUST FIND THE

UNKNOWN THINGS.

GET SIX PAGES PER NEIGHBORHOOD.

I WAS FORTUNATE.

I WAS ABLE TO DO.

THIS I HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THE

FIRST BOOK THAT COVERED ALL FIVE

BURROUGHS AND NOWASEOKE AN INDE.

YOU CAN TAKE THIS BOOK AND HAVE

A HELL OF A GOOD TIME JUST BY

WALKING AROUND AND LOOKING AT

ALL THESE NEW THINGS.

LIKE THE MAN IN BERGEN BEACH WHO

HAD 1140 STUFFED ANIMALS IN A

TREE AND NOBODY COULD UNDERSTAND

HOW HE COULD HAVE SUCH A HOBBY.

WHY DID HE DO IT?

THE HOME IN BERM HILL ON FF

AVENUE COVERED WITH BEES,

MIRRORS, BUTTERFLIES.

>> GREAT STORIES THAT NOBODY

KNOWS.

>> ONCE AGAIN, THIS BOOK CALLED

THE NEW YORK NOBODY KNOWS.

I'LL SURE YOU'LL BE BREAKING OUT

A WHOLE B NEW SHOES.

WE'LL LOOK FORWARD, PROFESSOR.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THE BOOKS AS

THEY COME OUT.

TAKE CARE.

>> OKAY.

>> "METROFOCUS" IS MADE POSSIBLE

BY

JAMES AND MERRYL TISCH,

SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM III,

THE SYLVIA A. AND SIMON B. POYTA

PROGRAMING ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT

ANTI-SEMITISM.

BERNARD AND IRENE SCHWARTZ,

ROSALIND P,KERBERG,

AND BY --


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