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MetroFocus: December 6, 2017

Time Magazine picks a movement of many as person of the year. “The Silence Breakers,” brave women and men who said “enough” to sexual harassment are honored. Gretchen Carlson is known for being fierce when dealing with harassment. She shares her story. Mario Cuomo, A new exploration on the life of a leading liberal voice. Jamie Foxx and director Rory Kennedy on the digital divide in education.

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>>> TONIGHT ON "METROFOCUS" --

"TIME" MAGAZINE PICKS A MOVEMENT

OF MANY AS PERSON OF THE YEAR.

THE SILENCE BREAKERS, THE WOMEN

AND MEN, WHO COME FORWARD AND

SAID ENOUGH TO SEXUAL HARASSMENT

IN THE WORKPLACE ARE TIME'S

CHOICE.

WE HAVE THE BACK STORY.

>>> THEN GRETCHEN CARLSON THE

WOMAN WHO FOR MANY HAS BECOME

THE FACE OF THE POWERFUL

MOVEMENT SHARES HER STORY.

>>> MARIO CUOMO TALKED TO AROUND

AUTHOR WHO LOOKS AT THE LIFE AND

LEGACY OF ONE OF AMERICA'S

LIBERAL VOICES.

>>> AND DIRECTOR RORY KENNEDY

AND JAMIE FOXX TEAM UP TO TAKE

ON AMERICA'S EDUCATION SYSTEM.

ALL THAT AND MORE AS

"METROFOCUS" STARTS RIGHT NOW.

♪♪

>> THIS IS "METROFOCUS."

WITH RAFAEL PI ROMAN, JACK FORD

AND JENNA FLANAGAN.

FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM WAS

PROVIDED BY --

CORPORATE FUNDING FOR

"METROFOCUS" WAS PROVIDED BY

MUTUAL OF AMERICA.

YOUR RETIREMENT COMPANY.

AND BY PSE & G, STRENGTHENING

THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND

INVESTING IN THE FUTURE.

>> GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO "METROFOCUS."

I'M RAFAEL PI ROMAN.

ON THE "TODAY" SHOW, "TIME"

MAGAZINE ANNOUNCED THE SILENCE

BREAKERS AS THE 2017 PERSON OF

THE YEAR.

WOMEN FEATURED IN THE ARTICLE

RANGE FROM SENATORS TO

HOUSEKEEPERS TO ACTRESSES TO

UBER ENGINEERS AND SOME THE MORE

PROMINENT FACES ARE TAYLOR SWIFT

AND ASHLEY JUDD.

WITH ME HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS

YEAR'S SECTION, SOME OF THE

RUNNER-UPS AND THE TIME'S

TRADITION THAT GOES BACK TO 1927

IS ONE OF THE WRITERS OF THE

STORY.

STEPHANIE, THANKS FOR TALKING

WITH US TODAY.

>> MY PLEASURE.

>> TALK ABOUT THE SILENCE

BREAKERS AND THE PROCESS BY

WHICH THEY BECAME THE 2017

"TIME'S PERSON OF THE YEAR."

>> THE PERSON OF THE YEAR IS NOT

NECESSARILY A ROLE MODEL.

IT IS GENERALLY THE PERSON OR

PERSONS WHO HAVE HAD THE MOST

INFLUENCE IN THE DULL THURSDAY

AND THE WORLD AND THIS YEAR I

THINK THEY'RE ROLE MODELS.

THEY'RE WOMEN WHO HAVE SPOKEN

OUT AGAINST SEXUAL HARASSMENT IN

THE WORKPLACE.

AND IT'S THIS MOVEMENT THAT

HAS -- IT SEEMS TO HAVE COME OUT

OF NOWHERE BUT ACTUALLY WE KIND

OF TRACE SOME OF THE ROOTS OF IT

AND THE THING THAT WAS MOST

IMPRESSIVE ABOUT IT WAS HOW

QUICKLY IT KIND OF -- IT SPRUNG

UP.

AND HOW QUICKLY IT GATHERED

STEAM.

AND AS THE EDITORS HERE WERE

DISCUSSING WHO SHOULD BE THE

PERSON OF THE YEAR, IT JUST KIND

OF EMERGED AS THE FRONT-RUNNER

VERY QUICKLY.

>> STEPHANIE, I WONDER IF WE CAN

GO BACK FOR A SECOND AND

ELABORATE ON THE KEY CRITERIA

YOU USED TO DETERMINE THE PERSON

OF THE YEAR.

>> IT BASICALLY HAS TO DO WITH

INFLUENCE.

FOR INSTANCE, LAST YEAR OUR

PERSON OF THE YEAR WAS DONALD

TRUMP.

BECAUSE HE -- HE DIDN'T COME OUT

OF NOWHERE AS WE KNOW, BUT HE --

HE CHANGED THE WORLD LIKE

OVERNIGHT.

NOT NECESSARILY IN A POSITIVE

WAY.

SO THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF

FACTORS THAT GO INTO THAT

DECISION AND THERE ARE ALWAYS

RUNNERS-UP AND PEOPLE WHO COULD

HAVE MADE THAT LIST.

>> I HAVE READ SINCE THIS

MORNING'S ANNOUNCEMENT ARTICLES

THAT SAY, WELL, LISTEN, IF THE

CRITERIA IS THAT THE -- THE

PRINCIPAL CRITERIA IS SOMEONE

WHO TRANSFORMED THE WORLD, THEN

DONALD TRUMP BY ALL ACCOUNTS

SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN IT THIS YEAR

AS WELL.

HE'S TURNED SO MANY UPSIDE DOWN

FROM THE COUNTRY'S POSSESSION ON

CLIMATE CHANGE, TO IMMIGRATION,

TO REFUGEES, TO HEALTH CARE.

PLUS, TURNING THE CULTURE AROUND

FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE.

WHY -- HE CAME IN SECOND.

WHY ONLY SECOND?

SOMEBODY SAID YOU DIDN'T WANT TO

GIVE IT TO HIM.

>> HE FEATURES VERY PROMINENTLY

IN OUR STORY BECAUSE WHEN WE

STARTED TO TRACE BACK HOW DID

THIS MOVEMENT BEGIN, WHEN DID

WOMEN START TO BECOME REALLY

ANGRY, WE LOOKED AT THE "ACCESS

HOLLYWOOD" TAPE.

WHICH WAS REVEALED VERY SHORTLY

BEFORE THE ELECTION AND IT MADE

A LOT OF WOMEN ANGRY AT THE

TIME.

AND THEN HE WON THE ELECTION.

WE REALIZED THAT THIS MAN WHO

HAD TALKED ABOUT WOMEN IN A WAY

THAT WAS NOT JUST DISRESPECTFUL,

BUT WAS JUST COMPLETELY

DISMISSIVE AND CRUDE -- I MEAN,

HE USED LANGUAGE I CANNOT REPEAT

TO YOU ON TELEVISION.

WOMEN WERE REALLY, REALLY ANGRY

SO THEY GATHERED AND THEY

MARCHED THE DAY AFTER THE

INAUGURATION.

AND THEN WHEN THE HARVEY

WEINSTEIN SCANDAL BROKE A FEW

MONTHS AGO, IT WAS -- THAT WAS A

FLASH POINT BUT THE KINDLING HAD

ALREADY BEEN LIGHTED.

>> SO WHO ARE SOME OF THE OTHER

RUNNERS-UP FOR THIS YEAR'S --

>> ASIDE FROM THE -- THE

AFOREMENTIONED, COLIN KAEPERNICK

WHO OBVIOUSLY IS VERY

SIGNIFICANT THIS YEAR FOR -- FOR

HAVING TAKEN A STAND THAT IS

VERY UNPOPULAR.

BUT I MEAN, I JUST DON'T THINK

YOU CAN DENY THAT'S A REALLY --

YOU KNOW, HIS POSITION AND HIS

BRAVERY AND HIS -- YOU KNOW,

STICKING TO WHAT -- YOU KNOW, TO

WHAT HE BELIEVES IN IS

INCREDIBLY INSPIRING.

THE CHINESE PRESIDENT OF COURSE.

>> THE D.R.E.A.M.ers.

RIGHT?

>> WELL, D.R.E.A.M.ers THEY

WEREN'T RUNNER-UPS BUT I'M SURE

THAT THEY CAME UP -- I KNOW THEY

CAME UP IN EARLY CONVERSATIONS.

>> SURE.

ALL RIGHT.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE

TRADITION.

I SAID IN THE INTRODUCTION IT'S

90 YEARS OLD.

WHERE DID THIS SPRING FROM, WHAT

WAS THE ORIGINAL GOAL?

WHAT IS THE GOAL TODAY?

>> WELL, SINCE THE FIRST TIME

PERSON OF THE YEAR WAS IN 1927,

WE KNOW THAT THE CULTURE AND THE

WORLD HAS CHANGED A GREAT DEAL

SINCE THEN.

AND I THINK PROBABLY THE CONCEPT

HAS EVOLVED TO I THINK AT THE

BEGINNING IT PROBABLY WAS

SOMEONE WHO WAS LIKE REALLY

ADMIRABLE.

SOMEONE THAT YOU WANTED TO --

YOU KNOW, KIND OF PUT IN A

POSITIVE LIGHT.

AND NOW -- YOU KNOW, AS WE

DISCUSSED EARLIER IT'S A LITTLE

BIT DIFFERENT.

IT'S JUST SOMEONE WHO IS

INCREDIBLY INFLUENTIAL SO --

>> AND QUICKLY, STEPHANIE, WHERE

DID MAN OF THE YEAR BECOME

PERSON OF THE YEAR?

>> MORE RECENTLY THAN YOU MIGHT

THINK.

IT WAS SOME TIME IN THE EARLY TO

MID 1990s.

>> REALLY?

>> I BELIEVE.

>> WOW.

SO THE PERSON OF THE YEAR HAS

COME A LONG WAY.

>> YES.

>> STEPHANIE, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>>> FORMER FOX NEWS ANCHOR

GRETCHEN CARLSON IS CONSIDERED

TO HAVE BEEN THE WOMAN WHO

REAWAKENED THE MOVEMENT TO STOP

SEXUAL HARASSMENT IN THE

WORKPLACE WHEN SHE CAME FORWARD

WITH ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HER

FORMER BOSS, THE LATE ROGER

AILES AT THE TIME THE POWERFUL

CEO OF FOX NEWS.

SHE HAS SINCE BECOME A VOICE FOR

EMPOWERMENT OF THOSE OF SEXUAL

HARASSMENT AND THE SUBJECT OF

HER NEW BOOK.

MY COLLEAGUE JACK FORD HAD A

CHANCE TO TALK WITH CARLSON.

AND HE BEGAN THE CONVERSATION BY

ASKING HER IF SHE EVER IMAGINED

SHE'D BECOME THE FACE OF THE

POWERFUL MOVEMENT.

>> NEVER.

I MEAN, EVERY DAY HAS BEEN A

SURREAL EXPERIENCE FOR ME

BECAUSE WHEN I MADE THAT BIGGEST

DECISION IN MY LIFE ON JULY 6,

2016 I HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS

GOING TO BE IN FRONT OF ME.

AND SO EVERY DAY HAS BEEN

SOMETHING NEW.

AND I HAVE TO SAY EVEN LISTENING

TO YOUR INTRODUCTION THERE IT'S

LIKE WOW, I MEAN, SOMETIMES IT

FEELS LIKE AN OUT OF BODY

EXPERIENCE.

IS THAT ME THEY'RE TALKING

ABOUT?

>> OFTENTIMES IN OUR LIVES WE

FOUND OURSELVES THRUST TONE THE

POSITION THAT WE NEVER

ANTICIPATED AND WE CAN EITHER

EMBRACE IT OR WE CAN REJECT IT.

YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO EMBRACE IT.

WHY?

>> I MEAN, I GET ASKED THAT A

LOT.

WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST GO HOME AND

CONCENTRATE ON BEING MOM TO YOUR

TWO KIDS?

WHILE I STILL LOVE DOING THAT, I

HAVE APPROACHED CHALLENGES WITH

A MISSION, YOU KNOW, LIKE I NEED

TO MAKE SURE I PUT ALL MY EFFORT

INTO IT.

IT WAS MAINLY ALL THE WOMEN WHO

STARTED TO REACH OUT THE ME.

AND ALL THEIR STORIES WERE SUCH

A CROSS-SECTION OF SO MANY

DIFFERENT PROFESSIONS.

THE ISSUE IS PERSUASIVE FROM

WAITRESSES TO FLIGHT ATTENDANTS,

TO TEACHERS TO OIL RIG

OPERATORS.

IT'S EVERYWHERE.

AND I FELT A SENSE OF DUTY TO BE

A VOICE FOR THEM.

BECAUSE IN SO MANY CASES, THEY

HAD NEVER EVEN TOLD THEIR

HUSBANDS THEIR OWN PERSONAL

STORIES.

AND I FELT THIS SENSE OF DUTY TO

TRY AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO PUT

THIS ISSUE OUT IN THE FOREFRONT

TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.

BECAUSE WOMEN ARE SO FEARFUL TO

DO THAT.

>> I WAS STRUCK BY AND READING

THROUGH THIS THE VAST ARRAY OF

PROFESSIONS AND YOU MENTIONED --

YOU HEARD FROM SO MANY PEOPLE.

I THINK ON THE SURFACE

OFTENTIMES WE THINK WELL, THERE

ARE CERTAIN PROFESSIONS THAT

HAVE BEEN LABELED IN ALL THE

WORST SENSES OF THE TERMS BOYS

CLUBS TYPE OF THINGS WHERE THERE

ARE STORIES FOR DECADES ABOUT

JUST INAPPROPRIATE -- MUCH MORE

THAN BOORISH, BUT HARMFUL AND

DESTRUCTIVE TREATMENT OF WOMEN.

WHY DO YOU THINK IT'S SUCH AN

EXPANSE OF PROFESSIONS, THAT

IT'S NOT LIMITED JUST TO THE FEW

THAT PEOPLE WOULD SUSPECT?

>> BECAUSE I THINK THAT CULTURAL

SHIFTS TAKE TIME TO CHANGE.

IF WE LOOK AT RACE RELATIONS IN

OUR COUNTRY IT'S NOT SOMETHING

YOU SWITCH ON A LIGHT AND IT'S

SUDDENLY FIXED.

IT'S VERY SIMILAR IN NATURE, BUT

WHAT I HAVE UNCOVERED IN MY

RESEARCH FOR "BE FIERCE" IS THAT

WOMEN SEEM TO BE THE LAST GROUP

THAT IT'S STILL OKAY TO MAYBE

MAKE FUN OF OR YOU KNOW TO MAKE

JOKES ABOUT.

WE WOULDN'T DO THAT WITH OTHER

GROUPS OF PEOPLE.

SO --

>> WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?

>> YOU KNOW, I REALLY --

>> I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER, BUT

I'M CURIOUS --

>> IT'S WHAT I DISCOVERED NOW

AND IT'S CHANGED THE WAY I SPEAK

TO MY CHILDREN AT HOME.

I'LL SAY TO MYSELF, LIKE, WOW, I

SHOULDN'T I SAY HEY GUYS TO MY

DAUGHTER.

SHE'S 14.

SHE'S LIKE WHY DO YOU CALL ME A

GUY?

I CALL EVERYONE A GUY.

MAYBE THAT'S SMALL LITTLE THING.

WHY IT'S SO PERVASIVE I THINK IT

WILL TAKE AN ENTIRE CULTURAL

SHIFT.

THAT'S WHAT ME DOING WHAT I DID

AND STARTING THE NATIONAL

DIALOGUE.

WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT IF WE

HAVE ANY HOPE OF FIXING IT.

>> I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT AN

OBSERVATION THAT PEOPLE WOULD

PROBABLY GENERALLY THINK OKAY,

WELL THE HR DEPARTMENT -- HUMAN

RESOURCES THEY'RE MY FRIEND AND

MY ALLY BUT THAT'S NOT ALWAYS IF

CASE.

WHY DO YOU THINK?

>> I THINK THERE'S GREAT PEOPLE

WHO WORK IN HUMAN RESOURCES

DEPARTMENTS.

THEY ARE THE PLACE WHERE YOU GO

TO -- IN MANY CASES TO FILE

THESE KINDS OF COMPLAINTS BUT I

ADVOCATE FOR A NEW APPROACH.

THAT WE MAY HAVE AN OMBUDSMAN

THAT WOULD BE IMPARTIAL AND NOT

RECEIVING A PAYCHECK DIRECTLY

FROM A COMPANY WHERE THIS

ACTIVITY MAY BE GOING ON.

ALSO I'D LIKE TO CHANGE IN THE

WAY WE'RE DOING SEXUAL

HARASSMENT TRAINING IN COMPANIES

AND PUT MORE EFFORT ON THE

BYSTANDER APPROACH.

HOW DO WE EMPOWER THE PEOPLE WHO

WITNESS THIS BEHAVIOR NOT TO

FALL INTO THE CATEGORY OF BEING

AN ENABLER, BUT FALL INTO THE

CATEGORY OF BEING THE COURAGEOUS

BYSTANDER WHO DEFENDS THE PERSON

THAT IT'S HAPPENING TO.

I MEAN, IF WE COULD JUST DO

THOSE TWO LITTLE TWEAKS I THINK

THAT WE WOULD HAVE TREMENDOUS,

TREMENDOUS SUCCESS IN TRYING TO

STOP THIS PROBLEM.

>> LAST QUESTION FOR YOU.

HAVING GONE THROUGH WHAT YOU

WENT THROUGH AND DOING WHAT

YOU'RE DOING NOW, ARE YOU

OPTIMISTIC?

DO YOU -- HAVE YOU SEEN ANY

SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS OR MIGHT

THERE BE SOME SIGNIFICANT

PROGRESS ON THE HORIZON DO YOU

THINK?

>> I'M A REALLY OPTIMISTIC

PERSON.

MY LIFE MOTTO IS CARPE DIEM AND

I FINANCIALLY EMPOWER THE

ORGANIZATIONS TO EMPOWER WOMEN

AND GIRLS.

I'M PROUD TO ANNOUNCE THE

GRETCHEN CARLSON LEADERSHIP

INITIATIVE WHICH IS A NINE CITY

TOUR KICKING OFF THIS NOVEMBER

TO HELP UNDERSERVED WOMEN.

SO YES, I'M OPTIMISTIC.

BECAUSE I'M ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE

A DIFFERENCE FOR ALL OF THE

WOMEN WHO REACHED OUT TO ME AND

ALL OF THE WOMEN AND MEN WHO

WANT TO FEEL EMPOWERED IN ANY

ASPECT OF THEIR LIFE WHERE

THEY'RE BEING PUT DOWN.

IN ISN'T JUST ABOUT SEXUAL

HARASSMENT.

IT'S ABOUT BULLYING IN SCHOOLS.

ABOUT NOT BEING PAID FAIRLY OR

NOT GETTING THE PROMOTION YOU

NIGHT DESERVE.

IT'S REALLY ABOUT FINDING THAT

COURAGE INSIDE YOUR SOUL TO STEP

UP, TO STAND UP AND TO SPEAK UP.

>> I THANK YOU YOU HAD DEDICATED

THIS BOOK TO YOUR CHILDREN.

>> YES.

>> AND I'M SURE IF THEY DON'T

KNOW, THERE WILL BE A TIME WHEN

THEY'LL SIT BACK AND LOOK AT

THIS AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, MOM

WAS A CHAMPION.

>> I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

I HAVE TO TELL YOU THEY WERE THE

MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IN MAKING

THE BIGGEST DECISION OF MY LIFE.

I'M PROUD TO SAY 15 MONTHS LATER

THAT MY CHILDREN HAVE LEARNED

WHAT IT MEANS TO BE BRAVE.

>> WELL, WE LEARN THROUGH

EXAMPLES AND YOU'RE CERTAINLY AN

EXAMPLE FOR YOUR CHILDREN.

GRETCHEN, THIS IS A DELIGHT

TALKING WITH YOU.

YOU BE WELL.

TAKE CARE.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>>> MARIO CUOMO, HE WAS THE

LONGEST SERVING DEMOCRATIC

GOVERNOR IN HISTORY.

HE WAS ONE OF THE MOST ELOQUENT

AND HIGH PROFILE POLITICIANS IN

NOT ONLY NEW YORK BUT IN THE

COUNTRY.

HE WAS KNOWN FOR HIS INDECISION

OVER WHETHER OR NOT TO RUN FOR

PRESIDENT, HIS GREATEST LEGACY

WAS HIS ROLE IN KEEPING THE

EMBERS OF PROGRESSIVE POLITICS

ALIVE IN THE AGE OF RONALD

REAGAN.

THE NEW BOOK TITLED "AMERICAN

CICERO, MARIO CUOMO AND THE

DEFENSE OF LIBERALISM" TRACES

HIS RISE IN POLITICS TO THE

FINAL DAY OF ALBANY WHEN HE WAS

VOTED OUT AS PART OF A

NATIONWIDE REPUBLICAN WAVE.

I'M JOINED BY THE AUTHOR OF THAT

BOOK, PROFESSOR, THANKS FOR JOIN

US.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> YOU AS AN ACADEMIC HAVE BEEN

INVOLVED IN -- DEEPLY IN THE

NOTION OF GOVERNORS AND THEIR

ROLES AND THEIR BACKGROUNDS AND

THEIR CHARACTERS.

WHAT BROUGHT YOUR ATTENTION THEN

TO MARIO CUOMO?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, MY FIRST BOOK

WAS ABOUT THE PROGRESSIVE

TRADITION IN NEW YORK AND NEW

JERSEY AND HOW THAT BRAND OF

PROGRESSIVISM REALLY HELPED

CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF THE

COUNTRY IN FIRST HALF OF THE

20th CENTURY AND IT OCCURRED TO

ME THERE TO BE A LOOK OF A

GOVERNOR WHO WAS PART OF

TRADITION AND GROWING UP IN NEW

YORK CITY IT WAS A NO-BRAINER

FOR ME TO BE DRAWN TO THE LEGACY

OF MARIO CUOMO TO SEE HOW HE FIT

WITHIN THAT HUDSON PROGRESSIVE

TRADITION OF MOVING POLITICS IN

THE LIBERAL SORT OF WAY AND IT

WAS INTRIGUING TO SEE HIM

ATTEMPT THIS AT THE HEIGHT OF

REAGAN'S POPULARITY.

>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TITLE OF

YOUR BOOK "AMERICAN CICERO" AND

PEOPLE WILL RECOGNIZE THE GREAT

ROMAN ORATOR AND I'M SURE THERE

ARE SOME FOLKS WHO ARE LISTENING

TO OUR CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW

AND THEY MIGHT NOT REMEMBER IT.

THEY MIGHT BE TOO YOUNG.

HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THEN

HIS -- THAT ELOQUENCE, THAT

SPEAKING STYLE OF MARIO CUOMO?

>> WOW, IN MANY WAYS IT'S LIKE

NO OTHER.

YOU KNOW, HE WAS TRAINED AS A

LAWYER.

HE ALSO WAS A REAL STUDENT OF

THEOLOGY AND HE BROUGHT THAT

LAWYERLY PHILOSOPHICAL ELAN TO

HIS SPEAKING STYLE.

HE COULD RELATE TO NOT BEING AN

ELITE, NOT BEING ALLOWED TO

PRACTICE LAW IN THE MORE ELITE

LAW FIRMS IN NEW YORK CITY IN

THE '50s AND '60s BECAUSE HE WAS

AN ITALIAN AMERICAN SO HE HAD

THE OUTSIDER WORKING CLASS

ATTITUDE, COUPLED WITH THE VERY

PHILOSOPHICAL BENT.

I THINK IT ALLOWED HIM TO CONVEY

COMPLEX IDEAS AN GET AT PEOPLE'S

HEARTS.

HE WAS NO ADLAI STEPHENSON WHO

WAS VERY SOPHISTICATED AND WHO

FAILED IN MANY WAYS.

FRANKLY AS PROGRESSIVES HAVE

OFTEN DONE IN THE PAST TO REACH

SORT OF THE MASSES.

CUOMO COULD REACH PEOPLE'S HEART

AS WELL AS THEIR MIND.

I THINK THAT MADE HIM

PARTICULARLY EFFECTIVE AS A

SPEAKER.

>> THAT QUESTION WHETHER HE

WOULD IN FACT RUN FOR PRESIDENT,

HAMLET LIKE.

YOU KNOW, SHOULD I RUN, SHOULD I

NOT RUN?

TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT

HE WAS WRESTLING WITH AND THEN

WHY ULTIMATELY HE DECIDED NO TO

A RUN.

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMEONE

LIKE CUOMO I THINK THE TIMING

EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ALWAYS AN

ISSUE FOR HIM NEVER COULD BE

QUITE RIGHT AND I THINK IN PART

BECAUSE THERE WAS A CERTAIN

APPREHENSION HE HAD TOWARDS

POLITICAL POWER.

TOWARDS AMBITION.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT FAMOUS

LINE IN THE FEDERALIST PAPERS

ABOUT AMBITION NEEDS TO

COUNTERACT AMBITION AND WE NEED

THAT IN GOVERNMENT.

I THINK HE COUNTERACTED HIS OWN

AMBITION, THE PREP SCHOOL AND

THE LAW SCHOOL TRAINED HIM TO BE

SKEPTICAL ABOUT THE DESIRE FOR

POWER.

I THINK HIS FATHER'S OWN LIFE AS

SOMEONE WHO WAS WORKING

ESSENTIALLY A 24 HOUR LIFE, YOU

KNOW, CAUTIONED HIM AGAINST

DOING MORE THAN WHAT WAS

NECESSARY FOR YOUR FAMILY AND

FOR YOUR OWN WELL-BEING.

THE -- THERE WAS A KIND OF FEAR

I THINK HE HAD TOWARDS POLITICAL

POWER.

AND AMBITION.

WHAT HE CALLED CEREMONY, POMP

AND CIRCUMSTANCE.

AND I THINK YET HE DESIRED IT

AND KNOWING THAT HE DESIRED IT

IN SOME WAYS MADE HIM EVEN MORE

SKEPTICAL OF IT.

SO I THINK IT WAS A COMPLICATED

VISION HE HAD FOR WHERE HE STOOD

IN LIFE.

AND GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK I THINK

WAS THE POSITION THAT BEST

REPRESENTED HIS OWN KIND OF BEST

SELF-IMAGE TO WANT OR DESIRE

MORE THAN THAT.

I HAVE COME TO FEEL IN MY

RESEARCH WAS SOMETHING THAT MADE

HIM DEEPLY UNCOMFORTABLE.

>> LAST QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU

HERE.

HOW WOULD MARIO CUOMO HIS BRAND

OF POLITICS AND HIS BRAND OF

BEING A POLITICIAN PLAY TODAY DO

YOU THINK?

>> WELL, I THINK IT WOULD PLAY

WELL.

I THINK FRANKLY PART OF MY

DESIRE IN WRITING THE BOOK WAS

TO ENCOURAGE DEMOCRATS TO SEEK

WHAT MARIO CUOMO HAD WHICH WAS

YES, THE BERNIE SANDERS AND

ELIZABETH WARREN STYLE BRAND OF

LIBERALISM AND SOMEONE WHO COULD

GET INTO THE STREETS AND TALK TO

AFRICAN-AMERICANS, TALK TO

LATINOS, TALK TO WORKING CLASS

PEOPLE IN WAYS THAT SPOKE TO

THEIR STRUGGLE.

CUOMO IS NOT -- DID NOT ABANDON

THE IDENTITY OF THE IDENTITY

POLITICS.

HE SPOKE FORTHRIGHTLY TO WHITES

AND AFRICAN-AMERICANS ABOUT THE

NEED FOR SOCIAL AND RACIAL

JUSTICE AND HE DID IT IN A WAY

THAT SPOKE TO NOT THE FEARS, BUT

THE DEEPEST PASSIONS AND

ASPIRATIONS OF THE WHITE WORKING

CLASS AND OTHERS AND IT WAS THAT

MIXTURE OF THIS WORKING CLASS

SENSIBILITY, OLD CATHOLIC STYLE,

VI SENTION STYLE OF SOCIAL

JUSTICE THAT GOES BACK TO THE

SOCIAL GOSPEL MOVEMENT AND ALL

OF THOSE THINGS GAVE HIM HEART

AND BRAIN POWER TO SPEAK TO

TODAY'S ISSUES.

I THINK DEMOCRATS ARE STILL IN

MANY WAYS SEARCHING FOR THAT

KIND OF COMBINATION.

>> WELL, AMERICAN CICERO,

INDEED, A COMPELLING LOOK AT A

COMPELLING FIGURE AS WE SAID IN

THE BEGINNING.

A NATIONAL FIGURE.

PROFESSOR, THANK YOU FOR

SPENDING SOME TIME AND TALKING

WITH US.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> BEEN A PLEASURE.

THANK YOU.

>>> WITHOUT A NET THE DIGITAL

DIVIDE IN AMERICA IS A NEW

DOCUMENTARY NARRATED BY ACADEMY

AWARD WINNER JAMIE FOXX.

IT CASTS TO A LIGHT ON THE

PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM AND WHAT

KEEPS THE UNDERPRIVILEGED

CHILDREN IN DIGITAL DARKNESS.

CAUSING A STRAIN ON THE YOUTH.

LET'S TAKE A LOOK.

>> THE WAY THAT IT WORKS WE HAVE

CODE ON OUR LAPTOPS THAT WE CAN

THEN DOWNLOAD ON TO THE BRAIN OF

THE ROBOT HERE.

TODAY IN SCHOOL I DON'T THINK

I'LL USE A COMPUTER AT ALL.

OUR HOPES FOR THE FUTURE ARE

VERY TECHNOLOGY DEPENDENT.

>> NOT HAVING INTERNET HAS BEEN

DIFFICULT BECAUSE MOST

EVERYTHING IS INTERNET BASED.

SO THERE'S A LOT MORE STRESS ON

THE STUDENTS TO FIND A WAY TO

ACTUALLY DO THEIR HOMEWORK.

>> IT'S JUST EXCITING KNOWING

THAT I'M GOING TO GO TO COLLEGE

LIKE MY DREAM IS COMING TRUE.

>> WE DREW UP LIVING POOR.

WE WANT TO SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE TO

HAVE A CHANCE.

>> I'M JOINED NOW BY THE FILM'S

DIRECTOR, ACADEMY AWARD

NOMINATED RORY KENNEDY.

ALWAYS NICE TO SEE YOU.

>> GREAT TO BE HERE.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> YOUR FATHER THE LATE ROBERT

KENNEDY WAS SO FOCUSED ON THE

NOTION OF EDUCATION AND EQUALITY

WITHIN EDUCATION.

WHAT DREW YOU TO THIS SUBJECT

FOR THIS FILM?

>> WELL, THANK YOU.

I THINK THAT MY FAMILY HISTORY

PROBABLY HAD SOMETHING TO DO

WITH IT FOR SURE.

AND MY FAMILY'S COMMITMENT TO

SOCIAL EQUALITY AND PARTICULARLY

AROUND ISSUES CONNECTED TO

EDUCATION.

SO I THINK IT WAS FOR ME A GREAT

OPPORTUNITY TO SHED LIGHT NOT

JUST ON THE DIGITAL DIVIDE IN

AMERICA, BUT KIND OF THE LARGER

ISSUES THAT IT SPEAKS TO AND THE

INEQUALITIES THAT CHILDREN,

PARTICULARLY CHILDREN FROM POOR

ECONOMIC BACKGROUNDS FACE.

>> BUT ALSO IN THE FILM YOU LOOK

AT HOW WE ARE STACKING UP IF YOU

WILL.

AND HOW WE'RE APPROACHING THE

DIGITAL EDUCATION WORLD IN OUR

COUNTRY COMPARED TO OTHER

COUNTRIES.

>> SO THESE KIDS ARE BEING LEFT

BEHIND AND WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS

THAT IT NOT ONLY AFFECTS THOSE

INDIVIDUAL CHILDREN AND LEAVES

THEM IN THE DARK, AND MAKES THEM

ILL EQUIPPED TO BECOME PART OF

THE JOB CYCLE WHEN THEY

GRADUATE, BUT IT'S ALSO LEAVING

OUR COUNTRY BEHIND.

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ISSUE,

PEOPLE MIGHT BE TEMPTED TO TAKE

A FAIRLY SIMPLISTIC APPROACH TO

IT AND IN TERMS OF THE SOLUTION.

OKAY, ALL WE HAVE TO DO THEN IS

GET COMPUTERS IN EVERY SCHOOL.

MAKE SURE EVERY KID HAS A LAPTOP

AND THAT WILL BE DONE.

BUT YOU TELL AN INTERESTING

STORY ABOUT A SCHOOL WHERE THAT

JUST -- JUST THAT HAPPENED.

TELL US ABOUT THAT STORY.

>> WELL, WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT

IN ORDER TO REALLY ADDRESS THE

ISSUE, WE HAVE TO DO A WHOLISTIC

MANNER.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE HAVE TO

GIVE THE KIDS THE EQUIPMENT, THE

COMPUTERS IN OTHER WORDS SO THAT

THEY CAN WORK AND INTERACT.

BUT YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE

THEY'RE CONNECTED TO THE WI-FI

AND THAT THE WI-FI IS ADEQUATE.

I THINK WE HAVE ALL EXPERIENCED

THE VERY FRUSTRATING MOMENTS YOU

GET ON YOUR COMPUTER AND THE

LITTLE CIRCLE GOES AND THE

COMPUTER WON'T WORK AND YOU WANT

TO THROW IT OUT THE WINDOW.

AND THIS HAPPENS DAY IN AND DAY

OUT IN THESE CLASSROOMS AND YOU

FEEL THIS MESSAGE BEING SENT TO

THESE KIDS WHICH IS, YOU KNOW,

WE'RE NOT INVESTING IN YOU.

WE DON'T CARE ENOUGH FOR YOU TO

BE CONNECTED.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DON'T

HAVE THAT KOEKTSIVETY, THEY

DON'T HAVE THE HARDWARE AND THEN

THE THIRD PIECE OF THE PUZZLE IS

TEACHING THE TEACHERS AND

TRAINING THEM ADEQUATELY TO USE

THE EQUIPMENT.

>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT.

RORY, IF I CAN, BECAUSE I WAS

STRUCK BY A PART OF THIS

NARRATIVE WHERE IT SAID THAT

SOME PERHAPS 60% OF TEACHERS WHO

WERE ASKED SAID THEY DON'T FEEL

LIKE THEY HAVE THE ADEQUATE

TRAINING AND PREPARATION TO JUMP

IN AND HELP THEIR STUDENTS.

WERE YOUR SURPRISED BY THAT?

>> I WAS.

YOU KNOW, IT WAS DISCOURAGING.

AND THAT'S A PART OF THE REASON

WHY WE MADE THIS FILM, IS TO

HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE

OF THE PROBLEM.

THAT'S A BIG ISSUE.

I MEAN, YOU CAN IMAGINE EVEN IF

YOU HAVE A COMPUTER IN THE

CLASSROOM AND EVEN IF YOU HAVE

WI-FI, IF THE TEACHERS WHO MIGHT

BE IN THEIR 50s OR 60s HAVEN'T

BEEN TRAINED IN HOW TO USE THAT,

ONCE YOU TRAIN THEM THERE'S HUGE

OPPORTUNITIES.

>> LAST QUESTION FOR YOU.

IN LOOKING AT THE FILM YOU

CLEARLY AS I SAID BEFORE, YOU

PUT YOUR LENS, YOU FOCUSED ON

THESE PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE HAVING

HERE, SO THE QUESTION THEN

BECOMES, ALL RIGHT WHAT'S THE

SOLUTION?

YOU MENTIONED BEFORE MOVING

FORWARD.

WHAT DO WE NEED TO BE DOING TO

MOVE FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN

SHRINK THIS DIGITAL DIVIDE?

>> WELL, THANK YOU FOR ASKING

THAT.

I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF

THINGS AND WHEN WE DO PROFILE IN

THE FILM IS MODELS THAT ARE

WORKING.

SO THERE'S A RANGE OF SOLUTIONS,

SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, IT'S

INNOVATION ON THE COMMUNITY

LEVEL FROM THE TEACHERS AND THE

PARENTS AND THE SCHOOL BOARD.

SAYING WE'RE GOING TO INVEST IN

IT.

YOU KNOW, IT DOES COME TO MONEY

IN MANY RESPECTS SO GETTING THE

CORPORATIONS

INVOLVED,FOUNDATIONS INVOLVED AT

THE LOCAL LEVEL MAKES A HUGE

DIFFERENCE AND WE NEED OUR

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO SAY IT'S A

PRIORITY.

>> WELL, YOU HAVE CREATED A FILM

THAT'S REVEALING.

IT'S TROUBLING.

IT'S PROVOCATIVE.

ONCE AGAIN IT'S CALLED "WITHOUT

A NET, THE DIGITAL DIVIDE IN

AMERICA."

RORY KENNEDY, THANK YOU SO MUCH

FOR YOUR WORK AND WE'LL TALK TO

YOU SOON.

YOU TAKE CARE.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

GREAT TALKING TO YOU TOO.

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