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MetroFocus: December 5, 2017

Billions of tax dollars may be a stake, and a haphazard count may threaten your voice in Congress. Actor Alec Baldwin and satirist Kurt Andersen offer a political satire of President Trump’s first year in office in their New York Times best-selling parody memoir. Located in Midtown Manhattan, Grand Central Terminal is a historic, world-famous landmark.

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>>>

U.S. CENSUS AND YOUR WALLET.

FIND OUT WHY BILLIONS OF YOUR

TAX DOLLARS MAY BE AT STAKE AND

HOW A HAPHAZARD COUNT CAN

THREATEN YOUR VOICE IN CONGRESS.

LIVE FROM NEW YORK, IT'S THE

TRUMP PARODY MEMOIR THAT'S JUST

MADE THE NEW YORK TIMES

BEST-SELLER LIST.

ACTOR ALEC BALDWIN AND KURT

ANDERSON TAKE A HILARIOUS LOOK

AT THE PRESIDENT'S PSYCHE AND

GRAND CENTRAL TERMINAL FOR MORE

THAN 100 YEARS IT'S BEEN

MIDTOWN'S MONUMENT TO THE

MASSES.

IN A MOMENT, AN INSIDE LOOK AT

THE TRAIN STATION THAT CHANGED

THE NATION.

ALL OF THAT AND MORE AS

"METROFOCUS" STARTS RIGHT NOW.

>> THIS IS METROFOCUS WITH

RAFAEL PI-ROMAN, JACK FORD AND

JENA FLANNIGAN.

FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM WAS

PROVIDED BY --

>>> FOR NEW YORK E, TENSE OF

BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND

CONGRESSIONAL SEATS ARE ON THE

LINE AS 2020 LOOMS.

THE 2010 CENSUS WHICH ULTIMATELY

COST NEW YORK UP TO TWO

CONGRESSIONAL SEATS AND PERHAPS

AS MUCH AS $18 BILLION.

THIS HIGH-STAKES COUNT IS FACING

GREATER COMPLICATIONS THAN IT

EVER HAS BEFORE AS IT MOVES

ONLINE, DESPITE THE DIGITAL

DIVIDE THAT AFFECTS THE NATION.

ASSEMBLY MAN MARCOS CRESSPO AIMS

TO BRING AK RAS TOE THE SENSE US

COUNT THIS TIME AROUND.

THE BILL PROPOSES TO CREATE THE

NEW YORK STATE 2020 COMPLETE

COUNT COMMISSION.

THAT BILL IS IN THE STATE SENATE

HANDS NOW, BUT WILL IT PASS?

ASSEMBLY MAN CRESSPO IS HERE

ONCE AGAIN TO ANSWER THAT

QUESTION.

ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> GREAT TO BE BACK.

>> FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T

UNDERSTAND IT EXPLAIN THE LINK

BETWEEN THE CENSUS COUNT AND THE

CONGRESSIONAL SEAT.

>> BASED ON THOSE NUMBERS THE

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DETERMINES

HOW MANY DISTRICTS A STATE

SHOULD HAVE.

THEY'VE REDRAWN LINE, THEY DO

THIS EVERY TEN YEARS IN WHICH

NEW YORK STATE LOST TWO

CONGRESSIONAL SEATS ALREADY.

WITH THAT COMES RESOURCES FOR

THAT OFFICE, RESOURCES FOR THOSE

DISTRICTS AND, YOU KNOW, ON

AVERAGE, WE'RE LOSING $3,000 PER

FAMILY IN NEW YORK STATE BECAUSE

OF THE UNDERCOUNT AND YOU

MENTIONED THE NUMBER EARLIER AND

$1.8 BILLION A YEAR AND THESE

ARE FEDERAL PROGRAMS AND 75 OF

THEM IN TOTAL BASED ON FEDERAL

FUNDS THAT WE GET SHORT CHANGED

BECAUSE OF THE COUNT.

>> SO THOSE DOLLARS ARE DIRECTLY

RELATED TO THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE

IN THE CENSUS?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S HOW THE FORMULA WORKS AND

THAT'S HOW THE FEDERAL

GOVERNMENT DETERMINES HOW

THEY'LL SPEND FOR A PARTICULAR

PROGRAM AND THE LOWER OF THE

NUMBER, THE LESS WE GET AND IT'S

HAVING A TREMENDOUS IMPACT

ESPECIALLY AS WE SEE IT ON THE

CROSSHAIRS AND HEALTH CARE CUTS

THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED AND NEW

YORK STATE PLANS TO LOSE

BILLIONS IN FEDERAL RESOURCES

THAT CAN ONLY EXACERBATE THE

PROBLEM IF WE CONTINUE TO LOSE

AND BE UNDERCOUNTED AND LOSE

REPRESENTATION AND LOSE THE

FEDERAL DOLLARS THAT WE'RE OWED.

>> LET'S LOOK BACK TO 2010.

WHAT DO YOU THINK WERE SOME OF

THE PROBLEMS THAT RESULTED IN

THE UNDERCOUNT?

>> SEVERAL THINGS.

THERE WERE A LOT OF CREDIBILITY

ISSUES WITH THE CENSUS AS A

WHOLE AND HOW THEY OPERATE, AND

PARTICULARLY IN IMMIGRANT

COMMUNITIES ARE AFRAID TO

PARTICIPATE, THREATENED THAT IF

THEY DO THAT IT WILL COME BACK

TO HAUNT THEM.

>> IN WHAT SENSE?

>> THERE'S TREMENDOUS FEAR IF

YOU ARE A RESIDENT, BUT NOT A

CITIZEN.

IF YOU ARE HOUSING SOMEBODY OUT

OF NECESSITY IN YOUR HOME AND

THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE

AND YOU DON'T WANT THAT EXPOSED.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SCENARIOS

AND REAL-LIFE SCENARIOS THAT

PEOPLE GO THROUGH THAT WOULD

MAKE THEM HESITATE.

WHAT THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS

THERE'S NO OTHER CRITERIA BUT TO

GET A COUNT OF HOW THEY RESIDE

AND TO MAKE SURE THAT

REPRESENTATION THAT THE

RESOURCES ARE REACHING THE

POPULATION AND AN ACTUAL NUMBER

IS CRUCIAL.

>> THE BILL THAT YOU PUT

TOGETHER AND PASSED THE ONE

LEVEL AND PENDING IN THE OTHER.

WHAT'S THE PURPOSE BEHIND THAT

AND WHAT WOULD THE FUNCTION BE?

>> I THINK WE NEED TO DO MORE ON

OUR END AND NOT JUST RELY ON

FEDERAL WORKERS AND THE CENSUS

BUREAU'S WORK ON ITS OWN.

SO I THINK THE GOAL HERE IS TO

CREATE A COMMISSION USING STATE

PARTNERS IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR

AND PRIVATE SECTOR AS WELL AS

NON-PROFIT COMMUNITIES THAT

THESE FOLKS HAVE AN OUTREACH AND

THEY HAVE THE CREDIBILITY WITH

THEM AND THE IDEA IS TO CREATE A

COMMISSION AND INVOLVE THE

PARTNERS AND USE THOSE RESOURCES

AND USE AGENCY OUTREACH

RESOURCES AND USE PROMOTIONAL

MATERIALS AND THE -- HOW WELL

KNOWN THEY ARE IN THESE

NEIGHBORHOODS IN ORDER TO REACH

THOSE FAMILIES AND ENCOURAGE

THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN THE

COUNTY, SPECIALLY NOW AS YOU

MENTIONED THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

WANTS TO GO TO AN ONLINE SYSTEM

AND THEY WANT TO RELY ON

INFORMATION.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?

>> WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT

EXECUTION BECAUSE FAMILIES THAT

ARE DENIED THAT BECAUSE OF THE

DIGITAL DIVIDE OR THEY DON'T

HAVE ACCESS TO COMPUTERS AT HOME

OR THEY'RE NOT TRUST WORTHY TO

GIVE INFORMATION ONLINE AND

PERSONAL INFORMATION AND

DESCRIPTIVE INFORMATION AND

EVERY DAY YOU SEE HACKING AND

DATA GETTING INTO THE WRONG

HANDS.

WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS A COUPLE OF

THINGS.

WE SHOULDN'T TAKE ONE OVER THE

OTHER AND WE SHOULD HAVE

MULTIPLE POINTS FOR FAMILIES TO

BE ABLE TO CONNECT.

WHETHER IT'S SOMEONE KNOCKING ON

THE DOOR WE SHOULDN'T UNDERMINE

THAT WHICH THE FEDS KNOW AND

ARE, AND THEY FEEL MORE

COMFORTABLE DOING IT ONLINE AND

NOT DENY BOTH AVENUES IN ORDER

TO GET A BETTER COUNT.

WE HAVE BEEN SEVERELY

UNDERSERVED IN NEW YORK STATE.

WE'VE LOST CONGRESSIONAL SEATS

AND WE'RE PROJECTED TO LOSE AT

LEAST ONE MORE ASK WE KNOW THAT

THOSE NUMBERS DON'T MATCH UP AS

STATED.

WE NEED TO PUT OUR EFFORTS IN

AND THE GOAL HERE IS FOR NEW

YORK STATE TO HAVE A THOROUGH

PLAN TO START NOW WITH PLANNING

AND NOT WAIT UNTIL 2019 TO

FIGURE OUT WHAT DO WE DO NOW.

WE SHOULD PUT THOSE RESOURCES IN

PLACE AND WE SHOULD USE THE

AVENUES IN THE AGENCIES AND THE

NON-PROFIT SECTOR TO DO THAT AND

WE SHOULD DEVELOP A PLAN THAT

MIGHT REKQUIRE SOME STATE

INVESTMENT AND WE HAVE A

SIGNIFICANT MOVING OF THE

NEEDLE.

>> LEADING UP TO THE COUNT.

>> ARE YOU OPTIMISTIC THAT THE

BILL THAT WE TALKED ABOUT

THROUGH THE ASSEMBLY, AND ARE WE

OPTIMISTIC THAT IT WILL COME OUT

AND BECOME LAW?

>> TRADITIONALLY, THERE'S BEEN

CONCERN PARTICULARLY FROM OUR

COLLEAGUES THAT THEY REPRESENT

MORE RURAL AREAS AND THEY'VE

SEEN THE LARGEST LOSS OF

POPULATION MORE SO THAN THE CITY

OF NEW YORK.

THERE'S CONCERN THAT DEMOCRATIC

COMMUNITIES HAVE A GREATER

POPULATION GROWTH THAN SOME OF

THE DISTRICTS, BUT AT THE END OF

THE DAY, IF WE BELIEVE IN A NEW

YORK THAT CAN DO BETTER, IF WE

BELIEVE THAT NEW YORK STATE

NEEDS THE RESOURCES AND WE SEE

EVERY SINGLE DAY THAT WE'RE

GETTING THREATENED MORE AND MORE

BY FEDERAL POLICIES THEN WE NEED

THIS COUNT MORE THAN EVER AND

NEW YORK STATE NEEDS IT MORE

THAN EVER AND EVERY COMMUNITY.

WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR

FARMERS AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO

GET THE AGRICULTURE DOLLARS THAT

WE NEED.

THERE'S SO MUCH TO THIS AND THAT

IS IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US AND I

CERTAINLY HOPE THEY UNDERSTAND

THAT AND IMPROVE THE BILL.

>> LAST QUESTION FOR YOU, WHEN

YOU TALK ABOUT HOW SIGNIFICANT

IT IS FOR ALL OF THE CITIZENS

AND REGARDLESS OF PARTY

AFFILIATIONS.

WHAT WOULD YOU BE SUGGESTING TO

THOSE CITIZENS AND SO THAT THE

STATE DOESN'T GET SHORT COUNTED

AND LOSE CONGRESSIONAL SEATS.

>> WE WANT OUR DISTRICTS TO BE

THE BEST REPRESENTED AND GET OUR

RESOURCES.

WE SHOULD BE LEARNING ABOUT THE

SENSE US.

WE SHOULD BE PROMOTING THE RIGHT

FACTS AND THE RIGHT INFORMATION

ABOUT IT.

WE SHOULD BE MAKING PEOPLE FEEL

COMFORTABLE AND WE SHOULDN'T

LEAVE ANYONE OUT.

EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT, NO MATTER

WHO YOU ARE, NO MATTER WHERE YOU

CAME FROM AND HOW YOU GOT THERE.

YOU RESIDE IN THAT COMMUNITY AND

YOU ARE A PART OF THAT COMMUNITY

AND YOU SHOULD BE COUNTED TO

MAKE SURE THAT COMMUNITY ISN'T

SHORT CHANGED AND WE NEED

EVERYBODY TO BE A PART OF THE

ADVOCACY AND ENCOURAGING OTHERS

TO PARTICIPATE AND NOT BE AFRAID

TO COME FORWARD AND IF THERE IS

AN ONLINE OPTION AND HEY,

FACILITATE, LEND YOUR COMPUTER

AND WE NEED THE LIBRARIES TO

OPEN THEIR DOORS AND WE NEED

EVERYONE TO MAKE IT EASY AND

ACCESSIBLE FOR EVERYONE TO BE

COUNTED.

>> IT'S A KWOCHL TIGZ THAT HAS

SIGNIFICANT CONSEQUENCES.

>> ASSEMBLYMAN MARCOS CRESSPO,

THANKS FOR SPENDING TIME WITH

US.

>> THANK YOU.

YOU TAKE CARE.

>> SATIRE, IT HAS BEEN A PART OF

AMERICAN CULTURE SINCE THE GREAT

REPUBLIC WAS FOUNDED.

IN THE CURRENT CLIMATE THE

POLARITY IS EVER PRESENT.

PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS SUPPORTERS

AND DETRACTORS THAT ARE BOTH

EQUALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT HIM AND

HIS ADMINISTRATION, A MAN WHO IS

QUITE POSSIBLY THE

LONGEST-RUNNING TRUMP SAT IRIST

IS KURT ANDERSON.

HE'S TEAMED UP WITH ALEC BALDWIN

TO WRITE THE BOOK "YOU CAN'T

SPELL AMERICA WITHOUT ME" AND

THE PERSPECTIVE OF PRESIDENT

TRUMP, AND WITH THE

STAMPED-EMBOSSED COVERS ON

CURRENT EVENT, FAKE NEWS, THE

MEDIA, HIS TIES TO PUTIN AND

SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER

AND WE ARE DELIGHTED TO HAVE

KURT ANDERSON JOINING US NOW

WITH BOTH A SATIRICAL AND

SERIOUS LOOK ON OUR TIMES.

>> HAPPY TO BE HERE.

>> WE MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE

BEEN INVOLVED IN SATIRE AND

PARODY WITH REGARD TO DONALD

TRUMP FOR MUCH LONGER THAN MOST

PEOPLE.

YOU GO BACK TO THE '80s.

>> RIGHT.

>> WAS WHAT THE ORIGINAL

ATTRACTION THAT YOU HAD TO HIM?

>> WELL N 1986 MY PARTNER AND I

WERE STARTING A MAGAZINE CALLED

SPY MAGAZINE.

>> ONE OF THE GREATEST, BY THE

WAY.

>> THANK YOU.

AND DONALD TRUMP WAS NOT VERY

WELL KNOWN THEN.

HE WAS GETTING WELL KNOWN IN NEW

YORK CITY, AND SPY WAS

INVEST

INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM AND

MAKING FUN OF HIM AS MUCH AS WE

COULD.

>> WHICH YOU DID TO EVERYBODY.

>> EVERYBODY WHO DESERVED IT, I

WOULD SAY.

>> KIND OF MEANS EVERYBODY.

>> AND HE WAS JUST THIS

EXTRAORDINARY CHARACTER.

HE WAS THEN WHAT HE IS NOW,

EXCEPT HE WASN'T PRESIDENT.

HE WAS JUST THIS LITTLE GUY,

40-YEAR-OLD GUY TRYING TO MAKE

BUILDINGS, BUILD BUILDINGS IN

NEW YORK, BUT A BRAG AGART, A LR

AND A BULLY AND ALL OF THE

THINGS WE'VE COME TO KNOW AND

NOT LOVE.

HE WAS A REGULAR OCCURRING

CHARACTER IN "SPY" AND AS WITH

MANY OF OUR RECURRING CHARACTERS

WE CREATED AN EPITHET TO HIM

THAT WE WOULD ALWAYS TRY TO

REFER TO HIM AS SHORT-FINGERED

VULGARIAN DONALD TRUMP.

WE'D ALSO HAD THOSE KINDS OF

PHRASES ATTACHED TO PEOPLE.

SHORT-

SHORT-FINGERED VULGARIAN DONALD

TRUMP AND IT'S AN OBSERVATION

AND THE SHORT FINGERS THAT

WEIRDLY CAME BACK INTO PLAY WHEN

HE WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT

WHICH WAS ASTOUNDING.

>> AMONG THE ASTOUNDING THINGS

WHEN HE WAS RUNNING FOR

PRESIDENT THE LENGTH OF HIS

FINGERS BECAME A DEBATE POINT ON

NATIONAL TELEVISION.

>> IF I'D HAD MY MOUTH FULL OF

COFFEE I WOULD HAVE DONE A SPIT

TAKE.

WOULD YOU HAVE CHRONICLED HIM

FOR DECADES.

>> I STOPPED FOR 15 OR 20 YEARS,

AND THEN YOU GOT BACK INTO IT.

>> EACH THOUGH HE MENTIONED AND

HE WOULD TOSS OUT THE IDEA OF

RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

WOULD YOU EVER, DURING THAT TIME

ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT HE WOULD

RUN?

>> NO, OF COURSE, NOT.

IT WAS A RIDICULOUS IDEA THAT

THIS GUY WOULD EVER BE ABLE TO

JUMP THROUGH THE VARIOUS HOOPS

AND GETS TO PORT AND GET A

NOMINATION AND BECOME PRESIDENT.

NO, THAT WAS RIDICULOUS.

>> AND GET 60-SOME MILLION

PEOPLE IT ON VOTE FOR HIM.

>> RIGHT.

WHEN "SPY" WAS AROUND IN THE

LATE '80s AND HE WOULD FLIRT

WITH THAT IDEA AND WE ENCOURAGED

IT AND WE DID A NATIONAL POLL,

NO, LOOK, 4% OF THE PEOPLE WANT

YOU TO RUN.

IT WAS NOTHING, BUT GREAT

MATERIAL.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BOOK.

"YOU CAN'T SPELL AMERICA WITHOUT

ME" AND MY FIRST YEAR AS

PRESIDENT, DONALD J. TRUMP.

>> LAST OCTOBER RIGHT AT THE END

OF THE CAMPAIGN, STARTED PLAYING

DONALD TRUMP ON "SATURDAY NIGHT

LIVE" WAS PLANNING TO DO SO

THREE TIMES AND THEN HE'D BE

DONE WITH THAT BECAUSE, OF

COURSE, HE WASN'T BE ELECTED

PRESIDENT.

THEN HE WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT

AND THEN PEOPLE RESPONDED TO HIS

CARICATURE FOR THE

PRESIDENT-ELECT AND A TRUMP

WORD.

WE'D BEEN ACQUAINTANCES AND

FRIENDS AND HE CAME TO ME THE

BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR AND HE

SAID DO YOU THINK THIS IS A GOOD

IDEA.

I MENTIONED THIS IDEA AND HE

SAID TO SOME BOOK SELLERS OF

DOING A TRUMP MEMOIR AND THEY

ALL APPLAUDED, LIKE, IS THIS A

GOOD IDEA, AND I THOUGHT ABOUT

HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO IT

AND I THOUGHT IT'S A GOOD IDEA

AND HE THOUGHT, WILL YOU DO IT

WITH ME?

>> THE HUMOR IN THIS, AND PEOPLE

NEED TO REALIZE, THIS IS SATIRE

AND HUMOR.

IT'S APPARENT FROM THE

BEGINNING.

INSIDE THE COVER, IN YOUR BIOS

ON THE BACK ALEC BALDWIN SAYS IT

WAS A GREAT IDEA AND I WENT TO

KURT AND SAID THIS IS A WAY FOR

ME TO DO 5% OF THE WORK AND GET

50% OF THE CREDIT.

>> AND HE'S BEEN GRACIOUSLY

HONEST ABOUT HOW THIS

COLLABORATION HAPPENED, BUT HE

WAS A GREAT COLLABORATOR AND I

WOULD WRITE AND SEND HIM THINGS

AND HE SAID YEAH, AND HOW ABOUT

THIS?

AND THEN HE CAN SAY THIS.

THERE'S DEFINITELY, ALEC BALDWIN

LINES APLENTY IN HERE, BUT YES,

I'M THE NOVELIST AND I DID MOST

OF THE WRITING.

>> YOU HAVE.

FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE, I THINK

THERE ARE SUPPORTERS OF DONALD

TRUMP WHO COULD READ THIS AND

LAUGH ABOUT IT AND SEE IT AS

HUMOR, BUT YOU HAVE CAPTURED --

YOU CAPTURED HIS VOICE.

HOW DID YOU DO THAT?

>> AGAIN, I HAVE BEEN A STUDENT

OF HIS AND FOR THE LAST COUPLE

OF YEARS, LISTENING TO AND

READING HIS STATEMENTS, AND THEN

I REALLY SPENT SOME WEEKS, A

COUPLE OF WEEKS IMMERSING MYSELF

IN INTERVIEWS AND HE HAS A

PARTICULAR DIALECT.

I CONSTRUCTED A KIND OF A PHRASE

BOOK AND LEXICON FOR MYSELF OF

HERE'S THE ADVERBS AND HERE IS

THE WEIRD DIGRESSIONS HE DOES.

LI

L

LEARNED THE LANGUAGE WHICH IN A

CERTAIN WAY BECAUSE HE IS SO

TRANSPARENT WHEN HE'S GIVING

INTERVIEWS AND HE SUDDENLY

DIGRESSED TO SAY IN A COMPLETELY

DIFFERENT DIRECTION TO

ESSENTIALLY PROMOTE HIMSELF OR

SAY HOW GREAT HE IS OR SAY HOW

BAD OTHER PEOPLE ARE, ONE STARTS

HAPPENEDING THE RHYTHMS OF HIS

LANGUAGE AND THROUGH THAT,

REALLY, I THINK, UNDERSTANDING

WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE THAT

MIND.

>> THE NOTION AS WE MENTIONED

BEFORE, POLITICAL SATIRE, EVEN

IMPERSONATION HAS BEEN A PART OF

OUR PRESIDENTIAL LANDSCAPE.

I GO BACK TO THE DAYS OF JFK.

>> YEAH.

>> AND ON METER.

>> ON METER.

>> YOU'RE AS OLD AS I AM.

>> UNFORTUNATELY, CUT SHORT BY

THE TRAGIC DEATH OF PRESIDENT

KENNEDY AND HIGH WAS ON THE ED

SULLIVAN SHOW AND IF YOU

REMEMBER COMEDY ALBUMS.

>> AND THEY WERE HUGE HITS.

>> RICHARD NEXTION MADE FUN OF

HIMSELF APPEARING ON "LAUGH IN,"

A GREAT ROGER AILES PIECE OF

ADVICE, GO ON "LAUGH IN," MR.

PRESIDENT AND YOU WILL HUMANIZE

YOURSELF BY MAKING FUN OF

WROURZ.

>> CERTAINLY BILL CLINTON AND

THE IMPERSONATORS SO LIT'S PART

OF THE POLITICAL TRADITION.

WHAT BEING SAID, WHAT SORT OF

REACTION ARE YOU SEEING, HEARING

OR GETTING FROM THE TRUMP FOLKS?

DO THEY RECOGNIZE THIS AS PART

OF THAT?

>> OTHER THAN ONE DAY WHEN ALEC

AND I WERE PROMOTING THE BOOK

AND HE SAID THAT HE'D HEARD AS

HE HAS FROM SOMEBODY WHO WORKED

IN THE WHITE HOUSE CLOSELY WITH

THE PRESIDENT UNTIL FAIRLY

RECENT THEY THAT THE FIRST LADY

THAT MELANIA TRUMP WAS A BIG FAN

OF ALEC'S IMPERSONATION ON

"SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE," THIS IS

THE REACTION WHERE THEY CAME OUT

AND SAID NO, THIS IS TOTALLY

UNTRUE AND CERTAINLY NOT.

SO THAT'S THE REACTION WE HAD TO

THAT.

OTHERWISE, IF ANY OF THEM HAD

READ IT I THINK YOU WILL SEE

THAT THIS COMES PERHAPS

TERRIFYINGLY CLOSE TO HOW THE

PRESIDENT TALKS AND THINKS.

>> THE LAST FEW DAYS AND THE

LAST WEEK OF STILL NUTTIER, MORE

UNHINGED TWEETS, I THINK, I'VE

HAD THE SENSE OF THE BOOK GETS

PRETTY DARK AND STRANGE IN THE

LAST FEW WEEKS OF HIS TWEETS

HAVE BEEN SORT OF SHOCKINGLY

CLOSE TO THINGS I'VE -- WE

IMAGINED IN THE FICTIONAL

DEPICTION.

>> LIFE IMITATING ART IN MANY

WAYS.

>> TERRIFYINGLY, YES.

>> YOU TOLD ME YOU WERE ABLE TO

PUT THIS TOGETHER IN TWO AND A

HALF MONTHS.

ARE THERE MORE VOLUMES IN THE

TRUMP ADMINISTRATION?

>> MY BELIEF REMAINS THAT HE'LL

BE PRESIDENT UNTIL JANUARY OF

2021.

SO CERTAINLY, WE'LL SEE HOW

TH

THINGS DEVELOP AND WHAT VERSIONS

OF TRUMP IN ANOTHER BOOK OR IN

OTHER MEDIA WE CAN MAKE HAPPEN.

>> ONCE AGAIN, OOH CALLED "YOU

CAN'T SPELL AMERICA WITHOUT ME,"

THE TREMENDOUS INSIGHT STORY OF

MY FANTASTIC FIRST YEAR AS

PRESIDENT, DONALD J. TRUMP.

KURT, A PLEASURE.

>> YOU TAKE

>>> THE FAMOUS 1959 ALFRED

HITCHCOCK MOVIE "NORTH BY

NORTHWEST" CARY GRANT'S

CHARACTER GOES TO NEW YORK'S

GRAND CENTRAL TERMINAL TO ESCAPE

CAPTURE FOR A MURDER HE DID NOT

COMMIT AND A PLACE WHERE HE CAN

BLEND EASILY WITH THE CROWD AND

THE CROWDS ARE STILL THERE, MORE

THAN 750,000 PEOPLE A DAY PASS

THROUGH MAKES IT ONE OF THE

BUSIEST TRAIN STATIONS IN THE

WORLD.

IT WAS SAVED FROM THE WRECKING

BALL IN 1975 BY COALITION LED BY

FORMER FIRST LADY JACQUELINE

KENN

KENNEDY ONASSIS, AND URBAN

AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT SAM

ROBERTS.

THE TITLE "GRAND CENTRAL: HOW A

TERMINAL TRANSFORMED AMERICA."

HE JOINS US ABOUT THE ICONIC

CATHEDRAL FOR THE COMMON MAN IN

MIDTOWN.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, A

PLEASURE.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE

BEGINNING OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S

WHEN YOU LEARN THE DETAILS ABOUT

ITS HISTORY AND IT IS SO

FASCINATING AND THE BOOK AND THE

PHOTOS YOU HAVE AND ESSENTIALLY

THERE WAS A TRAIN STATION THERE

BEFORE, BUT WHAT WAS IT?

WHAT WAS THE EVENT THAT

ESSENTIALLY WAS THE CATALYST FOR

THE CREATION OF GRAND CENTRAL

TERMINAL?

>> THERE WAS A DEE POE THERE

BEFORE AND THE TRAIN STATION

THERE BEFORE AND ONE OF THE FUN

THINGS ABOUT WRITING THE BOOK

AND I'VE BEEN COVERING NEW YORK

FOR THE DAILY NEWS FOR THE TIMES

FOR OVER 50 YEARS AND I LEARNED

SO MUCH ABOUT THE CITY BY WRITE

STHG.

GRAND CENTRAL STARTED IN EFFECT,

BY ACCIDENT BY ANNEX IN 1902,

TWO TRAINS SLAMMED TOGETHER.

ABOUT 15 PEOPLE KILLED

IMMEDIATELY AND IT WAS BECAUSE

THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH A DARK,

SMOKY TUNNEL UNDER WHAT BECAME

PARK AVENUE AND THE OWNERS OF

THE STATION AND THE OWNERS OF

THE NEW YORK CENTRAL RAILROAD

REALIZED THIS JUST WASN'T SAFE.

THEY WERE GOING TO BE HELD

LIABLE AT SOME POINT AND THEY

REALIZED THEY HAD TO DO

SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND AN

ENGINEER NAMED WILLIAM WILLGIS

CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF

ELECTRIFYING THE RAILROAD AND

THERE WERE NO MORE CINDERS AND

NO MORE SPARKS AND THEY COULD

DECK OVER PARK AVENUE.

SO BEFORE, PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE

THERE WAS THIS GAPING TRENCH.

>> AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE ARE

GREAT PHOTOGRAPHS HERE, BUT WE

KNOW PARK AVENUE WITH THE STRIP

WITH THE TREES AND THE HOLIDAY

SEASON, BUT IT WAS A TRENCH.

>> IT WAS JUST A TRENCH AND A

DIRTY TRENCH AND HARD TO GET

ACROSS.

IF YOU THINK IT'S DIFFICULT

GETTING ACROSS NOW, AND GETTING

ACROSS WITH THE TRENCH IN THE

MIDDLE WAS REALLY TOUGH.

WHEN I WORKED ON THIS BOOK WE

CAME UP WITH THE SUB TITLE HOW A

TRAN STATION TRANSFORMED

AMERICA, AND I LEFT THE

PUBLISHER'S OFFICE, AND I SAID

THAT'S AUDACIOUS, SN IT?

I DECIDED HOW MANY THINGS IT HAD

AN IMPACT ON AND THE LANDMARK

LAW, AS YOU SAID, AND IT SHIFTED

THE CENTER OF GRAVITY OF

MANHATTAN FROM DOWNTOWN TO ITS

VERY DOORSTEP.

>> BY THE WAY, VERY QUICK.

WE REFER TO IT AS GRAND CENTRAL

STATION.

>> IT IS NOT.

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?

>> MY TRAIN STOPPED AT GRAND

CENTRAL TERMINAL, AND THE ANSWER

TO THAT IS IT'S BETTER BECAUSE

THAT'S WHERE THE TRACKS END.

THE TERMINAL IS THE END OF THE

LINE, THE STATION TRAINS GO

THROUGH.

THE TERMINAL IS THE RIGHT TERM.

>> THE TRAIN STATION IS A

TERMINAL.

>> SO WHEN IT'S COMPLETED AND

HOW LONG DID IT TAKE?

THE BUILDING PROCESS?

>> WELL, THEY STARTED ABOUT 1904

AND 1905 AND THEY FINISHED IN

1913.

SO WE JUST FAIRLY RECENTLY

CELEBRATED THE 100th ANNIVERSARY

AND THAT'S WHY IF YOU LOOK AT

THE LOGO AND THE CLOCKS THAT SAY

7:13 ON THEM ON THE 24-HOUR

CLOCK THAT IS 1913.

YOU CAN TRICK YOUR FRIENDS WITH

THAT.

>> THAT'S A GREAT ONE.

BUT YOU SEE A PHOTO OF THIS

MAJESTIC BUILDING AND IT'S

ESSENTIALLY SITTING THERE BY

ITSELF.

HOW WAS IT THEN THAT THAT WAS

SUCH OPEN TERRITORY TO BUILD

THERE AND HOW LONG DID IT TAKE

BEFORE IT BECAME ENCIRCLED BY

WHAT WE KNOW NOW IN TERMS OF

HIGH-RISES AND OFFICE BUILDING.

IT CREATED THAT CITY.

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SOMETHING

CALLED TERMINAL CITY AND THERE

WAS VERY LITTLE THERE, AND

YOU'RE RIGHT, IT WAS A

WAISTLAND.

>> THAT WAS ONLY A HUNDRED YEARS

AGO.

>> THE CENTER OF THE CITY WAS

14, AND MAYBE 23rd STREET AND

WHAT THIS BUILDING OF GRAND

CENTRAL DID WAS SHIFT THAT

CULTURAL CENTER OF GRAVITY FROM

DOWNTOWN TO 42nd STREET AND 42nd

STREET DEVELOPED BECAUSE OF IT.

>> THERE ARE A COUPLE OF GREAT

FACTS AND MARVELOUS, CURIOUS

FACTS IN HERE.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM AND ONE

HAS TO DO WITH IF YOU WALK

THROUGH THE TERMINAL NOW AND

THERE ARE ALWAYS SO MANY

TOURISTS WAND ERDING THROUGH.

ONE OF THE THINGS THEY LIKE TO

DO IS LOOK UP TO THE CELESTIAL

SCENERY UP TOP.

WE TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT

THAT'S NOT ENTIRELY ACCURATE.

>> NO.

IT'S A 25,000 SQUARE-FOOT

CELES

CELESTIAL CEILING AND DON'T TRY

TO NAVIGATE IT.

THE CEILING WAS BACKWARD WHEN

THEY PAINTED IT.

ORIGINALLY THE RAILROAD SAID IT

WOULD BE GREAT TO EDUCATE

SCHOOLCHILDREN AND IT TURNS UP

THEY WERE HOLDING UP A CHART

LIKE THIS SO THEY PAINTED IT

BACKWARD INSTEAD OF THE ACTUAL

WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AND

ONE COMMUTER ABOUT TWO OR THREE

DAYS AFTER THE TERM

OPENED NOTICED IT AND IT'S

BECOME A FIXTURE.

>> YEAH.

WE MENTIONED HOW AND AGAIN, WE

TALK ABOUT THE TITLE HOW A TRAIN

STATION TRANSFORMED AMERICA.

>> SO YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT

ABOUT NEW YORK.

HOPEFULLY, IT SHIFTED THE CENTER

OF GRAVITY IN NEW YORK.

HOW ABOUT THE IMPACT ON AMERICA.

>> THERE WERE THINGS THAT

HAPPENED FIRST THERE AND THAT'S

WHAT I FOUND SO FASCINATING IN

RESEARCHING THE BOOK, STANDARD

TIME BEGAN AT GRAND CENTRAL.

BEFORE THAT IN THE 1880s, THERE

WERE HELP OF DIFFERENT TIME

ZONES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

THEY DECIDED TO CREATE STANDARD

TIME PRIMARILY FOR THE

GOVERNMENT AND THE RAILROADS DID

THAT AND IT STARTED MOST IN

GRAND CENTRAL.

A. PHILIP RANDOLPH BEGAN IN

GRAND CENTRAL WHICH WAS THE

START OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS

MOVEMENT.

THE LANDMARK'S LAW AS YOU

MENTIONED EARLIER, LANDMARKING

THAT WENT ALL OF THE WAY UP TO

THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT

BEGAN IN GRAND CENTRAL AND IT

SHOULD HAVE BECOME A GREATLY

VALUED, MONETIZED COMMODITY AND

IT WAS PARK AVENUE AND GRAND

CENTRAL.

SO THERE ARE ALL OF THESE THINGS

THAT YOU JUST DON'T THINK OF

THAT WE TAKE FOR GRANTED AND WE

START RIGHT THERE.

>> IT IS CALLED GRAND CENTRAL.

HOW A TRAIN STATION TRANSFORMED

AMERICA.

IT IS A MARVELOUS WINDOW INTO A

PERIOD OF TIME AND AS YOU SAID,

SOMETHING THAT HAS EFFECTED SUCH

SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.

>> GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE.

FOLKS, IF YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST

AT ALL, GO OUT AND GET THIS BOOK

BECAUSE YOU WILL LOVE IT.

>> IT'S A PLEASURE.

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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