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METROFOCUS: April 19, 2021

From Derek Chauvin who chose to plead the 5th as the defense delivered a mounting case against George Floyd to ex-officer Kim Potter who stands charged with second-degree manslaughter in the death of Daunte Wright. Conservative Color Coalition Chair Joseph Pinion, Former Federal Prosecutor Jennifer Rodgers, and “The Santita Jackson Show” host Santita Jackson deliberate.

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>>> THIS IS "METROFOCUS" WITH

RAFAEL P. ROMAN, JACK FORD AND

JENNA FLANAGAN.

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>>> GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO THE "METROFOCUS."

FRONT PAGE FORECAST.

I'M JENNA FLANAGAN.

OUR WEEKLY LOOK AHEAD AT THE

NATIONAL AND LOCAL HEADLINES AND

THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE

TRI-STATE.

AS WE BEGIN IN MINNESOTA, WHERE

ALL EYES ARE ON THE COURTROOM.

CLOSING ARGUMENTS WERE TODAY IN

THE MURDER TRIAL OF DEREK

CHAUVIN, THE FORMER POLICE

OFFICER WHO WAS ACCUSED OF

KILLING GEORGE FLOYD.

AND NOW A JURY WILL DECIDE HIS

FATE.

AS THE CAOUNTRY AWAITS WORD ON

THE FATE OF ANOTHER MINNESOTA

POLICE OFFICER, KIM POTTER,

ACCUSED IN THE SHOOTING DEATH OF

20-YEAR-OLD DAUNTE WRIGHT DURING

A TRAFFIC STOP.

TONIGHT WE EXAMINE THESE TWO

CASES OF POLICE FORCE THAT

TURNED DEADLY, BOTH OF WHICH

HAVE SPARKED NATIONAL PROTESTS

AND HERE LOCALLY.

WE HAVE THE JOSEPH PINION.

WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW.

>> THANKS SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

>> WE'RE ALSO JOINED BY JENNIFER

RODGERS.

JENNIFER IS A FORMER FEDERAL

PROSECUTOR AND ADJUNCT PROFESSOR

OF LAW.

>> GOOD TO BE HERE.

>> OF COURSE, WE HAVE SANTITA

JACKSON.

SHE'S THE MORNING DRIVE HOST AND

PRODUCER OF THE SYNDICATED

SANTITA JACKSON SHOW, WHICH AIRS

ON THE LARGEST PROGRESS TALK

RADIO STATION IN MINNESOTA.

WELCOME BACK TO "METROFOCUS."

>> WONDERFUL TO BE HERE.

>> FIRST OFF, JENNIFER, I WANT

TO START WITH YOU, BECAUSE I

WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE

IS CLEAR ON WHAT THE CHARGES ARE

THAT THE MINNESOTA JURY IS GOING

TO BE WEIGHING HERE AND HOW THAT

MIGHT DIFFER FROM NEW YORK

STATE.

BECAUSE OF COURSE AS WE KNOW,

LAWS DIFFERENT FROM STATE TO

STATE.

SO WHAT MIGHT BE A CLEAR CHARGE

IN NEW YORK STATE DOESN'T

NECESSARILY HOLD IN MINNESOTA.

>> SO DEREK CHAUVIN IS

CHARACTERED BY MINNESOTA

PROSECUTORS WITH THREE DIFFERENT

COUNTS, TWO MURDER COUNTS AND A

MANSLAUGHTER COUNT.

MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE

REQUIRES PROSECUTORS TO PROVE

THAT DEREK CHAUVIN COMMITTED A

FELONY AND A DEATH RESULTS.

THE FELONY IN THIS CASE IS

ASSAULT.

IF DEREK CHAUVIN COMMITTED AN

INTENS

INTENTIONAL ASSAULT THAT

RESULTED IN DEATH, HE WILL BE

GUILTY OF MURDER TWO.

FINALLY, HE'S CHARGED WITH

SECOND DEGREE MANSLAUGHTER WHICH

IS CULPABLE NEGLIGENCE IN

MINNESOTA.

IT REQUIRES A SHOWING OF GROSS

NEGLIGENCE ON THE PART OF DEREK

CHAUVIN, COMBINED WITH A KNOWN

DISREGARD OF A SERIOUS RISK OF

HARM OR DEATH.

THOSE ARE THE THREE CHARGES IN

THE DEREK CHAUVIN TRIAL.

ONE INTERESTING THING ABOUT

MINNESOTA IS IT DOESN'T HAVE A

NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE STATUTE.

THAT WOULD BE THE LOWEST

POSSIBLE WAY TO S

SHOW MANSLAUGHTER.

NEW YORK HAS THAT KIND OF A

STATUTE AND MANY STATES DO, BUT

MINNESOTA DOES NOT.

THE SECOND DEGREE MANSLAUGHTER

THAT DEREK CHAUVIN IS FACING IS

REALLY THE LEAST CULPABLE LEVEL

OF HOMICIDE THAT ANYONE CAN FACE

IN MINNESOTA.

>> DO WE HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING

OF AT LEAST WHAT THE RECOMMENDED

SENTENCING WOULD BE FOR THESE

THREE DIFFERENT CHARGES?

>> WELL, THEY CARRY DIFFERENT

MAXIMUM POSSIBLE SENTENCES.

THE MANSLAUGHTER IS A TEN-YEAR

MAX.

MURDER THREE IS A 20-YEAR MAX,

AND I BELIEVE MURDER TWO IS A

40-YEAR MAX, BUT IT MIGHT BE 30

YEARS.

THE JUDGE HAS DISCRETION TO

SENTENCE AND WILL TAKE INTO

ACCOUNT ALL OF THE FACTORS

INCLUDING THE CRIME ITSELF AND

THE DEFENDANT.

THE SENTENCE WON'T NECESSARILY

BE THAT HIGH, BUT THAT'S WHAT

THE DEFENDANT COULD POSSIBLY

FACE.

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY

UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE PLAYING

GROUND IS IN MINNESOTA.

SANTITA, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU

COULD GIVE A SENSE OF WHERE THE

COMMUNITY TENSION LIES AROUND

ALL OF THAT INFORMATION THAT

JENNIFER JUST LAID OUT.

>> IT'S ALL AROUND, WHICH IS

WHAT'S STRIKING TO ME.

I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, BEING

THE MORNING DRIVE HOST OF THE

LARGEST TALK RADIO STATION IN

THE MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL IN THE

STATE.

WHEN WE HEAR PRINCE AND TERRY

LEWIS AND JIMMY JAM, IT'S

BECAUSE OF HIM BECAUSE HE WOULD

HOST THE TALENT SHOWS.

THAT'S WHERE JIMMY JAM AND TERRY

LEWIS MET.

THERE'S A SENSE OF DESPAIR AND

HOPELESSNESS ON THE GROUND.

THAT'S BEEN STRIKING.

IT'S STRIKING TO SEE THIS

MINNESOTA SMILE THAT WE ARE SO

ACCUSTOMED TO, THIS WONDERFUL

WIDE-OPEN, MIDWESTERN COMMUNITY

IS THE FOURTH WORST PLACE FOR

BLACK PEOPLE TO LIVE ACCORDING

TO THIS STUDY.

THE MEDIAN WHITE INCOME IS MORE

THAN $80,000 A YEAR.

BLACK POVERTY IS FOUR TIMES THAT

OF WHITE RESIDENTS OF MINNESOTA.

AND FOR INDIGENOUS PEOPLE IT'S

WORSE.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT A

POLICE OFFICER HAS BEEN INDICTED

FOR ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN THE

HISTORY OF THE STATE.

DEREK CHAUVIN, EVEN THOUGH WE

DID NOT HEAR THIS DURING THE

CASE, IT WAS KNOWN THROUGHOUT

THE CITY THAT HE HAD A REALLY

AWFUL RECORD WHEN IT CAME TO

WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY.

THERE WERE AT LEAST SIX

INSTANCES IN WHICH HE HAD CHOKED

SOMEONE THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO

THE TRIAL.

I GET IT, THEY WERE TRYING TO

NARROW THE SCOPE.

OUR LEGAL EAGLE HERE CAN REALLY

EXPLAIN THAT BETTER THAN I.

BUT THAT'S THE LEGAL SIDE.

I'M SPEAKING ABOUT GOING THROUGH

THE SUITES AND INTO THE STREETS.

WHEN YOU TALK TO PEOPLE, THERE'S

A LOT OF PAIN OUT THERE.

ONE GETS THE SENSE THAT NO

MATTER WHAT THE VERDICT, THERE

IS PAIN THAT IS THERE.

THERE IS A LIVED EXPERIENCE THAT

COMPELLED A YOUNG DARNELLA

FRAZIER TO PULL OUT HER PHONE,

SEND HER 9-YEAR-OLD COUSIN INTO

THE CUP FOODS TO GET HER OUT OF

THE WAY, BECAUSE SHE SENSED SOME

IMPENDING DOOM.

SHE'S THE FIRST PERSON WHO PULL

OUT HER PHONE AND TURN IT INTO A

CAMERA AND RECORD THE WHOLE

INCIDENT, AT LEAST MORE THAN

EIGHT MINUTES OF IT.

NOW WE FIND OUT IT'S 9 MINUTES,

29 SECONDS.

I HAVE TO PAINT THE PICTURE

BECAUSE IT'S TALKING TO THE

PEOPLE IN MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL,

LISTENING ALSO TO SOME PEOPLE

HOLDING OUT HOPE FOR REASONABLE

DOUBT, WHICH IS VERY

INTERESTING, PEOPLE WHO ARE

UNWILLING TO BELIEVE THEIR EYES,

THEY WANT TO BELIEVE WHAT WE

HEAR.

WHAT WE SAW ON THE TAPE FROM A

LOT OF DIFFERENT ANGLES,

PAINFULLY, WAS GEORGE FLOYD.

FOR MANY PEOPLE WHAT WE SAW WAS

AT LEAST DEREK CHAUVIN WAS

RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS DEATH.

OTHER PEOPLE I'M HEARING ON THE

RADIO ARE SAYING, WELL, MAYBE

NOT.

THEN THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE

GOING ON.

THE "NEW YORK TIMES" PUBLISHED

AN ARTICLE IN WHICH THEY DID A

STUDY IN WHICH THEY FOUND FROM

MARCH 29th UNTIL AT LEAST

SATURDAY THE 17th, ON AVERAGE

THREE PERSONS A DAY HAVE DIED AT

THE HANDS OF POLICE.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE

CULPABILITY IS, BUT WE DO KNOW

THERE'S A PROBLEM.

I'M NOT SOMEONE PERSONALLY WHO'S

ANTI-POLICE, BECAUSE I HAVE

ENORMOUS RESPECT AND

APPRECIATION FOR PEOPLE WHO RUN

TOWARD TROUBLE AND NOT AWAY FROM

TROUBLE.

BUT EVEN REVEREND PAT ROBERTSON

HAS SAID THEY'RE LOSING

CREDIBILITY IF THEY DO NOT

HANDLE THEIR POWER RESPONSIBLY.

YOU RULE BY CONSENSUS TO GOVERN.

AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IN

THE UNITED STATES.

SO WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN

THIS TRIAL AND WITH THE VERDICT

IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALL

WONDERING.

BUT THE PEOPLE IN

MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL AND

BROOKLYN CENTER WHERE DAUNTE

WRIGHT WAS KILLED AND THERE'S A

LOT OF MISTRUST.

THAT'S WHAT'S UNSETTLING.

>> I SORT OF WANT TO BUILD ON

THAT QUESTION OF MISTRUST.

JOSEPH, I'LL DIRECT THIS

QUESTION TO YOU.

NOW, OF COURSE, UNFORTUNATELY,

THE MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD OR

THE DEATH OF GEORGE FLOYD, I

SHOULD SAY UNTIL IT IS

OFFICIALLY DETERMINED TO BE

MURDER, WAS FILMED.

SO EVERYONE GOT TO SEE WHAT A

LOT OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS WERE

TALKING ABOUT WHEN IT CAME TO

TWO SEPARATE AMERICAS, TWO

SEPARATE INTERACTIONS WITH THE

POLICE.

AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN IT COMES

TO THE JUSTICE SYSTEM, THERE CAN

ALSO BE A SENSE THAT THERE'S TWO

DIFFERENT JUSTICE SYSTEMS.

AND THAT WAS SORT OF HIGHLIGHTS

IN EVEN A RECENT SNL SKETCH

WHERE BLACK PEOPLE WERE TALKING

ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY JUST

DON'T TRUST THIS WILL RESULT IN

A GUILTY VERDICT.

I'M WONDERING IF YOU CAN SPEAK

TO THE FACT THAT THERE IS SUCH A

DEEP MISTRUST OF THE JUSTICE

SYSTEM HOLDING A WHITE POLICE

OFFICER ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE

DEATH OF THE BLACK MAN.

>> WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE

BIT LAST WEEK, BUT I THINK WITH

EACH PASSING WEEK I FEEL IT'S

STRONGER, FIRMER THAT IN MANY

WAYS, WHILE THE RACIAL COMPONENT

OF THIS IS SO DEVASTATING,

BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THAT LIVED

EXPERIENCE FOR SO MANY PEOPLE OF

COLOR IN THIS NATION, I THINK

IT'S ALSO THE MORE IMPORTANT FOR

US TO JUST TRY TO FOCUS ON THE

FACTS PATTERN.

I THINK THAT THE HARD TRUTH IS

THAT WHEN YOU'RE LISTENING TO

SOMEBODY LIKE PAT ROBERTSON

SITTING THERE TALKING ABOUT THE

FACT, HOW IN THE WORLD CAN

SOMEBODY MISTAKE A TASER FOR A

GLOCK, SOMEBODY WHO HAS HAD THAT

LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE?

ON SOME BASIC LEVEL, IT SHOULD

NOT MATTER WHERETHER THE FEPOLI

OFFICER WAS A WHITE FEMALE.

SOMEONE WE'VE SPENT UMPTEEN

AMOUNTS OF DALOLLARS ON COULD ME

THE CATASTROPHIC RESULT FOR THAT

YOUNG MAN.

HIS FAMILY IS NEVER GOING TO BE

ABLE TO ENJOY THE SMILE, THE

MEMORIES.

WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN HAS BEEN

ENDED.

IN MANY WAYS, WHEN YOU MAKE THE

COMPARISON TO WHAT HAPPENED TO

GEORGE FLOYD, WE KNOW HOW SHAKEN

MANY PEOPLE ARE WATCHING THAT

TAPE, HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO

EVEN ATTEMPT TO WATCH THAT TAPE

BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED TO GEORGE

FLOYD SHOULD NOT HAPPEN TO

ANYONE, ANYWHERE AT THE HANDS OF

ANYONE, MUCH LESS SOMEBODY WHO

IS ENDOWED WITH THE AUTHORITY OF

LAW ENFORCEMENT.

LOOK, WE KNOW CONCRETELY AS THEY

GO BACK AND WE SAW IN THE DAYS

OF MEMPHIS, THAT YES, MORE

ATTENTION GETS PAID TO THE

BROKEN GLASS AND MEN STANDING

AROUND WITH PLAQCARDS SAYING I M

A MAN.

PEOPLE WILL DENIGRATE THE DEAD

BEFORE THEY HOLD THOSE

RESPONSIBLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE

WRONG THEY HAVE DONE.

IF WE CAN GET TO THE POINT WHERE

WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT DEREK

CHAUVIN DID AND SAY THAT WAS A

DEPRAVED INDIFFERENCE, THAT THAT

WAS SOMEHOW SOMEBODY WHO ACTED

IN A MANNER THAT WAS CALLOUS,

THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY CRIMINAL.

IF WE CAN'T JUST SAY THAT NO

PERSON WITH A BADGE SHOULD EVER

BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT, MUCH LESS

ANYBODY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO

THAT, IF WE CAN'T ESTABLISH THAT

BASELINE, THEN IT REALLY SPEAKS

TO A GREATER BROKENNESS IN THE

HUMAN SPIRIT OF THIS NATION.

SO I THINK IN MANY WAYS PEOPLE

ARE SO MAD BECAUSE OF THE LEGACY

OF RACISM THAT WE'VE HAD IN THIS

COUNTRY, BECAUSE OF THE

CONTINUING AND ONGOING STRUGGLES

WE'VE HAD TRYING TO GET THE

MARGINALIZED PEOPLE THE RESPECT

AND DIGNITY THAT THEY DESERVE.

I THINK IN THIS INSTANCE, IT IS

AN OPPORTUNITY TO FOCUS ON

DECENCY, HUMANITY AND SAY THAT

IN THIS INSTANCE IF YOU STILL

WANT TO EXCUSE THE INEXCUSABLE,

IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT

DEREK CHAUVIN DID, IF YOU WANT

TO LOOK AT SOMEBODY WHO PULLED

OUT A GUN INSTEAD OF A TASER AND

SAY THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF GOOD

POLICE WORK, THAT THIS IS THE

TYPE OF MISTAKE WE ARE WILLING

TO ACCEPT FROM PEOPLE WE'VE

ENDOWED WITH A GREAT AMOUNT OF

TRUST BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW

DIFFICULT THE JOB IS TO DO, THEN

AGAIN, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, WE

ARE LOST AND THERE IS NO LAW AND

ORDER.

WE JUST HAVE LAWLESSNESS AND

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO START TAKING

LAW AND ORDER INTO THEIR OWN

HANDS.

IF THAT'S TERRIFYING TO PEOPLE,

IT SHOULD BE.

>> THAT IS INDEED WHAT WE'RE

SEEING.

THE PROBLEM FOR ME IS AND I

CERTAINLY AGREE WITH YOU TO THAT

EXTENT.

THE MISSION STATEMENT OF THE

SOUTHERN LEADERSHIP MISSION

COUNCIL WAS TO SAVE THE SOUL OF

AMERICA.

DIDN'T SAY THE BLACK SOUL, THE

SOULS OF BLACK FOLKS, DIDN'T SAY

THE SOULS OF WHITE FOLKS AND

BUSINESS PEOPLE ET CETERA, ET

AL.

IT IS TO SAVE THE SOUL OF

AMERICA.

I WISH WE COULD DERACIALIZE, BUT

WE'RE NOT THAT MATURE.

THE FACT IS CLASSISM IN AMERICA

HAS BEEN RACIALIZED IN PART.

IF YOU'RE MYANMAR, YOU DON'T SEE

THAT.

IF YOU'RE NORTHERN IRELAND, YOU

DON'T SEE THAT.

BUT IN THE UNITED STATES

CLASSISM HAS A RACIALIZED

COMPONENT.

LET'S DEAL WITH THE

MISMANAGEMENT OF POWER.

ABSOLUTE POWER WAS CORRUPT

ABSOLUTELY.

THE LOVE STAYS WHEN YOU DON'T

ABUSE ME.

THE LOVE GOES WHEN YOU DO.

THE TRUST STAYS WHEN YOU TREAT

ME WELL.

THE TRUST GOES WHEN YOU MISTREAT

ME.

AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING.

SO I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE ARE AT AN INFLECTION POINT.

WE ARE IN A CRISIS.

THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT,

BUT WE'VE GOT TO KEEP RACE --

MORE THAN THAT, RACE IS NOT THE

PROBLEM.

RACISM IS THE PROBLEM AND PEOPLE

ARE FEELING THE RACISM.

WE'RE ALL BEAUTIFUL HERE AND

WE'RE ALL COMPOSED OF A LOT OF

DIFFERENT RACES IF YOU JUST STEP

BACK AND LOOK AT THE SCREEN.

THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM.

I'M NOT A MISTAKE, YOU'RE NOT A

MISTAKE.

WHITENESS, BLACKNESS AND EVERY

COLOR IN BETWEEN SHOULD NOT BE

APOLOGIZED FOR.

RACISM MUST BE FOUGHT, IT MUST

BE ACKNOWLEDGED IN ORDER TO HAVE

IT BE FOUGHT.

>> JENNIFER, I WANT TO GO BACK

TO YOU AND JUST GET A SENSE

OF -- BECAUSE BASED ON WHAT

WE'VE JUST HEARD FROM SANTITA

AND JOSEPH, IT'S INCREDIBLE

POWERFUL.

BUT WHAT WERE YOU HEARING IN THE

CLOSING ARGUMENTS, WHICH AS OF

THIS TAPING ARE STILL

CONTINUING, BUT WHAT ARE YOU

HEARING THAT STOOD OUT TO YOU

ABOUT HOW BOTH SIDES ARE

ATTEMPTING TO REST THEIR CASE

AND LEAVE IT WITH THE JURY?

>> I CERTAINLY WASN'T HEARING

ANYTHING ABOUT RACIAL INJUSTICE,

RIGHT?

WHICH IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE IN

COURT BECAUSE ANY DECISION GOING

ON BASED ON RACISM AND POLITICS

WOULD CERTAINLY RESULT IN A

MISTRIAL RIGHT AWAY.

WE COULD TALK ON ANOTHER SHOW

ABOUT SYSTEMIC RACISM WITHIN THE

CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, BUT IN

TERMS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE

COURTROOM HERE FOR THIS VERDICT

TO STAND UP IN THE EVENT OF A

CONVICTION, ALL OF THAT HAS TO

BE PUT TO THE SIDE, RIGHT?

WHAT I'M HEARING IS A VERY, VERY

STRONG CASE SET FORTH BY THE

PROSECUTORS HERE.

THEY'VE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB

THROUGHOUT.

THEY'RE RETURNING TO THE THEMES

THEY STARTED BUILDING AT THE

OUTSET OF THE TRIAL, WHICH IS

THIS IS NOT A COMPLICATED CASE,

BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAW ON THE

VIDEOTAPE, BELIEVE YOUR OWN

EYES, DON'T BE DISTRACTED BY THE

ARGUMENTS, DON'T BE DISTRACTED

BY WHAT THE PROSECUTOR THIS

MORNING CALLED THE NONSENSE.

HE DREW A VERY EFFECTIVE ANALOGY

BETWEEN COMMON SENSE AND

NONSENSE.

COMMON SENSE IS WHAT THE JURORS

NEED TO USE.

IT'S A SKILL THEY BRING INTO THE

COURTROOM FROM THEIR DAY TO DAY

LIVES.

WE ALL SAW WHAT HAPPENED TO

GEORGE FLOYD.

USE YOUR COMMON SENSE.

IS IT REALLY FEASIBLE THAT HE

DIED BECAUSE HE HAD SOME

UNDERLYING HEART CONDITION THAT

MAY HAVE KILLED HIM SOME DAY IN

HIS 70s, BUT DID IT KILL HIM

THAT MORNING?

IT DID NOT.

CONTINUING SOME OF THESE THEMES

BETWEEN THE COMMON SENSE OF WHAT

JURORS NEED TO DO BASED ON WHAT

THEY'VE SEEN AND THE NONSENSE

THE DEFENSE LAWYER IS USING TO

TRY TO UNDERCUT THOSE ARGUMENTS

HAS BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE.

>> TO THAT POINT, WE TALK ABOUT

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE

TRIAL.

THE PURPOSE OF THE TRIAL IS NOT

TO GET RACIAL JUSTICE FOR GEORGE

FLOYD.

THE PURPOSE OF THE TRIAL IS TO

GET JUSTICE FOR GEORGE FLOYD.

THE PURPOSE OF THE TRIAL IS FOR

US TO LAY DOWN A MARKER, TO SET

A STANDARD THAT CAN BE

REPLICATED TO SAY THIS TYPE OF

BEHAVIOR IS UNACCEPTABLE.

SO I THINK, TO SANTITA'S POINT,

YES, THE TRUST IS GONE.

IN ORDER TO COMBAT RACISM, TO

DEAL WITH THE SYSTEMIC ISSUES

THAT STILL PLAGUE SOCIETY, WE

HAVE TO BE WILLING TO HAVE THOSE

CONVERSATIONS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE

TO RECOGNIZE THAT THEY ARE TWO

CONVERSATIONS THAT MAY OVERLAP.

BUT THE PATHWAY, THE BLUEPRINT

FOR ACHIEVING THE RACIAL JUSTICE

THAT WE SEEK AND THE PATHWAY FOR

ENSURING THAT WE HAVE A SYSTEM

OF LAWS THAT PROTECTS PEOPLE OF

ALL RACES IN MANY WAYS IS A

CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE TO

UNWIND AND DISENTANGLE TO BE

EFFECTIVE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT

ULTIMATELY WE CAN SIT HERE AND

WE CAN BECOME ANGRY OR WE CAN BE

VINDICTIVE.

I THINK WE START TO LOSE THE

THREAD FOR WHAT IS EFFECTIVE

ADVOCACY TO ENSURE THE FACT THAT

WE CAN RECOGNIZE THAT, YES,

PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DEVALUED BUT

ALSO AT THE SAME POINT TRYING TO

RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT THE

PATHWAY TO ENSURING THAT THE

LEGACY OF DEVALUATION IS ENDED

STARTS WITH US BEING ABLE TO

PAINT A STARK PICTURE FOR PEOPLE

ABOUT WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE AND

WHAT SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED TO

HAPPEN EVER AGAIN.

>> I WANT TO GO BACK, JENNIFER,

BECAUSE SOMETHING YOU SAID I

THOUGHT WAS VERY INTERESTING.

THAT WAS THE PROSECUTOR'S

ASSERTION THAT THIS WAS NOT A

COMPLICATED CASE.

BUT FREQUENTLY WHEN THESE CASES

GET BROUGHT TO TRIAL, IT IS THE

JOB OF ESPECIALLY DEFENSE

LAWYERS TO CREATE REASONABLE

DOUBT, OF COURSE.

WE'LL BE, OF COURSE, WATCHING TO

SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE OTHER

BROOKLYN CENTER, MINNESOTA,

OFFICER, MS. POTTER TO SEE HOW

THAT TRIAL PLAYS OUT IN TERMS OF

THE DEATH OF DAUNTE WRIGHT.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IF THAT

WASN'T A COMPLICATED CASE, HOW

IS IT THAT THESE CASES SEEM TO

END UP BEING ENTANGLED WITHIN

THE LAW AND FEELING SOMEWHAT

COMPLICATED WHEN SO MANY PEOPLE

FREQUENTLY FEEL GOING IN THIS IS

CLEAR CUT, IT'S SO OBVIOUS?

>> THAT'S WHY 90% OF CRIMINAL

CASES IN THE COUNTRY PLEAD OUT,

BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THAT

COMPLICATED, YOU DON'T NEED TO

GO TO TRIAL.

BUT WHERE YOU HAVE A CASE LIKE

THIS, APPARENTLY DEREK CHAUVIN

AGREED TO PLEAD GUILTY TO A

CHARGE AT THE OUTSET AND

ULTIMATELY THE GOVERNMENT SAID

NO, THAT THEY WANTED TO TAKE HIM

TO TRIAL ON A HIGHER CHARGE.

SO THIS COULD HAVE PLEAD OUT

TOO, BUT WHEN YOU'RE SOMEONE

LIKE DEREK CHAUVIN, YOU'VE BEEN

A POLICE OFFICER YOUR WHOLE

CAREER, IT'S VERY HARD TO AGREE

TO GO TO JAIL FOR A LONG TIME,

SO HE'S ROLLING THE DICE AND

TAKING HIS CHANCES.

WHEN THE MAJOR ISSUE IS

CAUSATION, WHAT ACTUALLY CAUSED

THE DEATH OF GEORGE FLOYD, THEN

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE EXPERT

WITNESSES.

SO THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW,

YOU'VE GOT A THREE-WEEK TRIAL

WITH ALL SORTS OF EXPERTS ON THE

STAND AND IT BECOMES MORE

COMPLICATED THAN IT NEEDS TO BE.

THAT'S WHY PROSECUTORS WANT TO

BRING IT BACK TO THE BASICS.

YOU SAW THE VIDEO, YOU SAW WHAT

HAPPENED HERE, WE ALL KNOW USING

OUR COMMON SENSE WHY GEORGE

FLOYD DIED THAT DAY.

LET'S NOT MAKE IT MORE

COMPLICATED THAN IT NEEDS TO BE.

THE DEFENSE SAYS THE OPPOSITE.

O

LET'S TALK ABOUT REASONABLE

DOUBT.

SO I THINK THE DEFENSE LAWYER IS

DOING HIS JOB.

THAT IS WHAT HE IS TO DO, TO

DEFEND HIS CLIENT WITHIN THE

BOUNDS OF THE LAW.

THE PROSECUTORS HAVE DONE THEIR

JOB.

NOW IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO THE

JURY TO DO THEIR JOB.

IT'S SUCH A STRONG CASE FOR

CONVICTION.

>> SANTITA, I WANT TO GET YOUR

TAKE ON WHAT WILL BE THE CHARGES

BROUGHT AGAINST KIM POTTER, THE

MANSLAUGHTER CHARGE AND HOW THAT

PLAYS OUT.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS IN

THIS TRIAL, CAN THAT HAPPEN IN A

FAIR ENVIRONMENT?

BECAUSE I JUST DON'T SEE HOW

MINNESOTA CAN SO QUICKLY MOVE ON

FROM ONE TRIAL TO ANOTHER AND

HOW THAT DOESN'T FURTHER THE

TENSION THAT YOU WERE TALKING

ABOUT.

>> WELL, THAT PITH VOT WON'T BE

EASY.

PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT FORMER

CAPTAIN POTTER'S HOME AND THEY

SEE A STEEL FENCE.

THEY SEE CONCRETE BARRIERS.

THEY SEE A 24-HOUR POLICE GUARD.

THERE IS A LOT OF UPSET.

SHE'S GETTING MORE PROTECTION

THAN DAUNTE GOT.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

THERE IS NO PIVOT, BECAUSE

PEOPLE SEE THIS IN A CONTINUUM.

THEY SEE DAUNTE AND GEORGE FLOYD

AND SO MANY OTHERS TO WHOM THIS

HAS HAPPENED WHOSE CASE HAS NOT

SEEN THE LIGHT OF DAY, NOT JUST

IN MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL AND

BROOKLYN CENTER, BUT ALL AROUND

THE COUNTRY.

THERE IS A SENSE AS I'VE SPOKEN

WITH DAUNTE WRIGHT'S BROTHER

YESTERDAY ON ANOTHER SHOW, THE

JESSE JACKSON SHOW.

HE SAID WE WANT JUSTICE, BUT

MORE THAN THAT WE WANT

ACCOUNTABILITY.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE

COULD ALL LOOK AT.

I MADE JOSEPH JUMP UP, I MEAN IN

A GOOD WAY.

I SAY THAT LOVINGLY TO JOSEPH

AND TO OUR COUNSELOR HERE.

IT'S ONE THING TO GET JUSTICE.

CAN YOU REALLY GET IT?

THEIR EASTERS, THEIR

THANKSGIVINGS, THEIR CHRISTMASES

WILL NEVER BE THE SAME.

MORE THAN THAT, THEY WANT

SOMEONE TO ANSWER FOR THE DEATH

OF THEIR LOVED ONES.

IN THE CASE OF DAUNT WRE WRIGHTE

WAS A FATHER.

HIS SON DAUNTE JUNIOR WILL NEVER

GO TO A BASEBALL GAME WITH HIM.

HE'LL NEVER SHOOT THE BREEZE

WITH HIM.

HIS PARENTS ARE DEVASTATED.

HIS PARENTS HAVE SAID, JUSTICE,

YEAH, I WANT THAT.

BUT I WANT KIMBERLY POTTER AND

PEOPLE LIKE HER TO BE

ACCOUNTABLE.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE

LOOKING FOR.

JUSTICE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN

SETTLE OUT, YOU CAN GET A

PAYMENT, I GET ALL OF THAT, BUT

PEOPLE WANT ACCOUNTABILITY.

I THINK WHEN THERE'S

ACCOUNTABILITY, WE CAN BEGIN TO

SEE THESE THINGS HAPLPEN LESS AD

LESS.

THERE'S GOT TO BE

ACCOUNTABILITY.

THERE'S GOT TO BE A PATHWAY TO

THAT.

>> WE HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS

LEFT.

JOSEPH, I'LL GIVE YOU THE LAST

WORD ON JUST YOUR CONCERNS OR

HOPES OR FEARS, AGAIN, WITH KIM

POTTER'S INEVITABLE TRIAL.

>> THIS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL

THERE IS ACCOUNTABILITY AND

PEOPLE HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME.

THE MINUTE OFFICERS ARE FEARFUL

THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO SEND THEIR

KIDS TO COLLEGE BECAUSE OF

SOMETHING THEIR COLLEAGUE DID

THAT COMPROMISED THEIR FINANCIAL

WELL-BEING, WE WOULDN'T SEE

THESE ANYMORE, BECAUSE WE KNOW

WHAT DEREK CHAUVIN DID TO GEORGE

FLOYD WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME HE

WAS OUT OF LINE.

WE'VE SEEN IN STUDIES THAT 10%

OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE

RESPONSIBLE FOR UPWARDS OF 98%

OF MANY OF THE BAD APPLES.

WE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO HOLD

THE BAD APPLES ACCOUNTABLE OR

THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IS BANKRUPT

AND DEVOID OF WHAT'S REQUIRED.

>> I WANT TO THANK ALL OF MY

PANEL MEMBERS.

JOSEPH PINION, JENNIFER RODGERS

AND, OF COURSE, SANTITA JACKSON.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE WILL BE WATCHING TO SEE WHAT

COMES NEXT IN THE MURDER TRIAL

OF DEREK CHAUVIN.

SO THANK YOU.

>>"METROFOCUS" IS MADE POSSIBLE

BY --

SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM III,

SYLVIA A. AND SIMON B. POYTA

PROGRAMING ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT

ANTI-SEMITISM.

THE PETER G. PETERSON AND JOAN

GANZ COONEY FUND.

BERNARD AND DENISE SCHWARTZ,

BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG, THE

AMBROSE MONELL FOUNDATION AND

BY --

JANET PRINDLE SEIDLER, JODY AND

JOHN ARNHOLD, CHERYL AND PHILIP

MILSTEIN FAMILY, JUDY AND JOSH

WESTON, AND THE DR. ROBERT C.

AND TINA SOHN FOUNDATION.


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