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8/21: Ticks, Money Talking, Holocaust Memoir, AFROPUNK

Albany Public TV reporter Jenna Flanagan updates the findings of scientists in the Hudson Valley on how ticks transport diseases. WNYC brings its financial news segment, Money Talking, to television. Allan Chernoff talks to host Rafael Pi Roman about his new book The Tailors of Tomaszow.And AFROPUNK is back for its 10th anniversary. Reporter Rick Karr has a preview of what’s in store this year.

AIRED: August 19, 2014 | 0:26:46
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>>> FROM THE WORLD'S LEADING

CENTER FOR FINANCE, THE ARTS

PUBLISHING, SCIENCE, RESEARCH,

MEDIA, INNOVATION AND MUCH MORE,

THIS IS "METROFOCUS" WITH RAFAEL

PI ROMAN

AND TONIGHT, WITH JACK FORD.

>>> TONIGHT, WHAT WE KNOW AN

WHAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT

PARTICULARS.

>> PEOPLE ARE REPORTING TICK

BITES FURTHER AND FURTHER NORTH.

>> THE MONEY TALKING TEAM TAKE

ON RETIREMENT PLANNING

>> I THINK ABOUT IT EVERY DAY.

I'M 62 AND, NO, I DO NOT EXPEC

TO BE ABLE TO RETIRE

>> A STORY FROM THE HOLOCAUS

WITH A MESSAGE FOR TODAY

>> THE LESSONS TO BE LEARNED

HERE APPLY TO ALL OF US AS HUMAN

BEINGS

>> AND A FESTIVAL OF ALTERNATIVE

MUSIC AND MORE IS BACK ON STAG

IN BROOKLYN THIS WEEKEND

>> YOUCAN FEEL THE ENERGY IN

THE AIR.

>> FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM IS

MADE POSSIBLE BY THE FOR

FOUNDATION

WORKING WITH VISIONARIES ON TH

FRONT LINES OF SOCIAL CHANGE

WORLDWIDE.

CORPORATE FUNDING FOR METROFOCUS

IS PROVIDED BY MUTUAL OF

AMERICA.

YOUR RETIREMENT COMPANY.

AND BY THE FOLLOWING

>>> DEER TICKS CARRY LYM

DISEASE.

IF LEFT UNTREATED, IT CAN LEAD

TO CHRONIC ILLNESS

THIS SPRING, JENNA FLANAGAN TOOK

TO THE WOODS AND THE TRAILS TO

FIND OUT WHAT SCIENTISTS ARE

LEARNING ABOUT HOW TICKS

TRANSPORT DISEASES AND HOW YOU

CAN PROTECT YOURSELF

>> THERE WE GO

>> SUITED UP

>> WHY AM I SUITED UP IN WHITE

COVERALLS?

I'M HEADED TO SEARCH FOR DEE

TICKS.

>> WE WILL TAKE A WALK INTO TH

WOODS WHICH IS TICK HABITAT.

>> TO FIND THEM, WE DROP A WHITE

CLOTH AND SURE ENOUGH, WE FIND

TWO ADULT FEMALES.

>> THIS IS THE BIGGEST YET AND

THAT'S AS FAST AS IT MOTOR

>> WHAT USUALLY PUTS PEOPLE IN

DANGER IS NOT THE ADULT TICKS.

>> IT IS MUCH SMALLER, ABOUT A

QUARTER OF THE SIZE OF THOSE

ADULTS

SO THEY'RE REALLY HARD TO FEEL

AND REALLY HARD TO SEE WHE

THEY'RE CRAWLING ON YOU.

AND THEY ARE MUCH BETTER ABLE TO

TAKE A THREE OR FOUR BLOOD MEA

FROM US.

>> HE'S BEEN PRACTICING INTERNAL

MEDICINE FOR 20 YEARS.

IN THAT TIME, THE DOCTOR FOUND

HIMSELF AT THE FOREFRONT OF WHAT

HE DESCRIBES AS A MEDICA

EPIDEMIC

>> PEOPLE DON'T COME IN JUST

COMPLAINING OF A JOINT PAIN OR

FATIGUE.

THEY USUALLY COME IN WIT

MULTIPLE SYMPTOMS.

>> HE'S HAD PATIENTS WHO HAV

STRUGGLED FOR YEARS WITH

LYME-LIKE SYMPTOMS

ARTHRITIC JOINT PAIN, HEADACHES,

LIGHT SENSITIVITY, SOUND

SENSITIVITY, PROBLEMS WITH

MEMORY, CONCENTRATION AN

ENINSOMNIA

THE PROBLEM IS GETTING PATIENT

PROPERLY TREATED

HE CALLS LYME DISEASE THE GREA

IMITATE TORE

AS DIFFERENT STRANDS CAN EASIL

BE MISDIAGNOSED.TORE

AS DIFFERENT STRANDS CAN EASIL

BE MISDIAGNOSED.

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYIN

CONFUSED BECAUSE THEY SAY IT

DOESN'T PERSIST PAST 30 DAYS

I'M FINDING THE MAJORITY O

PEOPLE WHO COME TO SEE ME DON'

JUST HAVE LYME, THEY HAV

ASSOCIATED CO-INFECTIONS

>> SO ONE TICK BITE CAN LEAD T

MUCH MORE THAN A

TRADITIONALBIOTIC TREATMENTS

WITH ADDRESS

BACK AT THE KERRY INSTITUTE,

ECOLOGISTS ARE WORKING TO FIGURE

OUT THE OORIGIN.

>> WE HE KNOW THE MICE ARE B

FAR THE MOST PROFICIENT HOSTS AT

TRANSMITTING THE PATHOGENS T

TICKS.

SO ABOUT 90% OF THE MIKE IN TH

MICE IN THE WOODS ARE INFECTED

THAT MEANS TICKS FEEDING ON

MOUSE HAVE A VERY HIGH

PROBABILITY OF ACQUIRING

INFECTION.

>> JENNA, WELCOME TO YOU

SO LET ME ASK YOU TO START OFF

AN UPDATE ON THE WORK THAT THE

HAVE BEEN DOING THERE SINCE LAST

SPRING

>> WHAT THEY FOUND IS THAT WHILE

LYME DISEASE IS USUALLY FOUN

ALONG COASTAL AREAS, PEOPLE AR

NOW REPORTING TICK BITES FURTHER

AND FURTHER NORTH INTO THE

CAPITAL REGION AND EVEN SOME

PEOPLE IN THE ADIRONDACKS.

>> AND HOW ABOUT VARIOUS TYPES

OF TICKS

THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT I SAW SOME

OF THE WORK THAT YOU DID, THER

IS A NEW TICK OUT THERE THAT

THEY HAVE DISCOVERED

SOUNDS ODD, BUT --

>> NOT QUITE A NEW TICK, BUT YOU

NEW TO THIS AREA

IT'S CALLED THE LONE STAR TICK

IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY FROM THE

LONE STAR STATE, BUT IT IS FRO

THE SOUTHWEST AND MIDWEST.

AND THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THA

THERE COULD BE A TICK-BORN

VIRUS THAT YOU COULD GET

>> ONE THING THAT I THINK YO

LEARNED IS THAT THERE IS A

PARTICULAR WAY FOR YOU TO REMOVE

TICKS IF YOU FIND ONE ON

YOURSELF AND IT WILL HELP OUT IN

THE TESTING PROCESS.

HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO DO IT?

>> WHAT YOU WANT TO DO I

CAREFULLY REMOVE THE ENTIRE TICK

FROM YOUR BODY INCLUDING THE

HEAD AND THE MOUTH

>> BECAUSE YOUR FIRST INSTINCT

IS, OH, MY GOD, LET'S ME KIL

IT

>> EVEN THE STATE HEALTH

DEPARTMENT SAYS OLD WIFE'S TALE,

THINGS LIKE USING VASELINE

DON'T BURN IT WITH A

CIGARETTE --

>> YEAH, DON'T DO THAT

>> DIDN'T DO THAT.

MAKE SURE THE HEAD AND MOUTH ARE

INCLUDED

NOW, SOME PEOPLE SAY TWEEZERS IF

YOU GENTLY PULL YOU CAN GET IT

OUT, OTHER PEOPLE SAY BECAUS

THE TEETH ARE BARBED, YOU WANT

TO GENTLY TWIST IT

AGAIN, BIOLOGY IS GROSS P BU

ONCE YOU GET IT OUT, IF YOU SEAL

IT IN A PLASTIC BAG AN

SUBPOENAED TO UNIVERSITY O

MASSACHUSETTS,ING THESE BUGS

>> BECAUSE WHEN YOU THINK TICKS,

YOU THINK LYME DISEASE, BU

THERE ARE OTHER PROBLEMS THA

CAN COME FROM TICK BITES

>> YES

AND THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE

NOT A HUGE INCREASE, BUT A

INCREASE IN PEOPLE WHO HAV

FOUND THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAV

SOMETHING LIKE ANAPLASMOSIS OR

SOME OTHER DISEASES THAT YOU CAN

GET FROM A TICK BITE

AND THE PROBLEM IS THAT AS O

RIGHT NOW, THE AVERAGE DOCTOR IF

YOU SAY I'VE BEEN BITTEN BY

TICK, THEY HAVE TEST YOU FOR ONE

SPECIFIC DISEASE

BUT GIVEN THAT THEY'RE CARRYIN

SO MANY DIFFERENT PATHOGENS,

IT'S A POSSIBILITY THEY CAN MISS

YOUR POSITIVE TEST FOR SOME OF

THE OTHER DISEASES

>> SO SO MANY BIG PROBLEMS

COMING FROM SUCH LITTLE TICK

HERE

>> ONE TINY TICK BITE, YEAH.

>> THANKS FOR JOINING US

VERY GOOD INFORMATION.

>>> I'M CHARLIE HERMAN AT WNYC

AND THE HOST OF MONEY TALKING.

JOINING ME TODAY ARE JONAH SARAH

AND RONNA FRUHAP

THE RETIREMENT SYSTEM IS I

SHAMBLES AND FAILING TO PROVID

THE SUPPORT MANY NEED.

NUMBER OF WORKERS WITH A

TRADITIONAL PENSION CONTINUES TO

DWINDLE.

IF YOU'RE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE A

401(K), A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER O

US ARE NOT SAVING ENOUGH FOR

RETIREMENT

SO WHAT IS TO BE DONE, WHAT AR

SOME SOLUTIONS

JOE, YOU ARE APPROACHING

TRADITIONAL RETIREMENT AGE

HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THIS?

ARE YOU EXPECTING THAT YOU'LL BE

ABLE TO RETIRE AT 65

>> I THINK ABOUT IT EVERY DAY.

I'M 62 AND, NO, I DO NOT EXPEC

TO RETIRE.

I'M LUCKY THAT I HAVE A JOB THAT

I CAN DO WELL INTO MY OLD AGE.

BUT I'M A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF

SOMEBODY WHO AT A PARTICULAR AGE

HAS NOT THE SAVED, DOESN'T HAV

ENOUGH IN HIS I.R.A. TO RETIRE

AND I THINK THAT STORY IS TH

STORY OF BABY BOOMERS.

>> IS THIS PART OF THE ISSUE

THAT PEOPLE NEED TO EXPECT THA

THE IDEA OF RETIRING AT 65 I

NOT SOMETHING WE CAN EXPECT?

THAT PLAYER SEMPLOYERS ALSO HAVE

TO LOO

AT THE WORKFORCE DIFFERENTLY

>> WHAT WE'RE HOPING FOR IS TO

DO THAT.

IT CERTAINLY SEEMS THAT PART O

RETHINKING RETIREMENT IS

RETHINKING HOW LONG YOU WORK

AND WHETHER YOU TAKE A FULL-TIME

OR PART-TIME JOB AS YOU GE

OLDER.

AND WHETHER THE RETIREMENT THE

AGE ACTUALLY DOES LIFE-YOU ULIFE

-- YOU

START THINKING ABOUT 67, 68, 69.

>> AND YOU WERE RECENTLY I

CALIFORNIA LOOKING AT SOME O

THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY HAVE OU

THERE.

WHAT DID YOU FIND IS THIS.

>> I WENT TO CALIFORNIA BECAUS

IT REALLY EXEMPLIFIES SOME O

THE BIGTHIS.

>> I WENT TO CALIFORNIA BECAUS

IT REALLY EXEMPLIFIES SOME O

THE BIG IMPORTANT CHANGES COMING

DOWN THE PIKE.

MOST SMALL AND MID-SIZED

COMPANIES DON'T HAVE 401(K)s O

FORMAL RETIREMENT VEHICLES

BUT THAT STATE HAS TAKEN SOM

ACTION

THEY HAVE SOMETHING CALLED

CALIFORNIA SECURE CHOICE WHICH

WAS SIGNED IN TO LAW BY JERR

BROWN, PROBABLY WILL GO INTO

EFFECT IN A YEAR OR SO

AND THIS WOULD PROVIDE A FORMA

SAVINGS VEHICLE FOR EVER

CALIFORNIAN, WHETHER OR NOT THEY

HAVE IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR,

PRIVATE SECTOR, EVERYBODY WOUL

HAVE ACCESS TO SOME KIND O

SAVINGS VEHICLE.

AND THAT CAN JUMP-START A LOT OF

PEOPLE'S RETIREMENT PLANS.

>> IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT BEIN

ACCEPTED BY THE FINANCIA

INDUSTRY, PEOPLE THINK THIS IS

THE WAY TO GO?

OR ARE THEY UPSET BY THE IDE

THE GOVERNMENT IS TRYING T

FORCE PEOPLE TO SAVE

>> YES TO BOTH

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM HAS BEEN THE

FINANCIAL LOBBY.

A LOT OF MUTUAL FUNDS AND ASSE

MANAGERS DON'T WANT COMPETITION.

WHEN YOU START GETTING BIG

POOLED GROUPS OF PEOPLE, IT WILL

DRIVE DOWN COSTS

IT GOES TO A MAJOR PROBLEM WIT

RETIREMENT IN GENERAL.

A LOT OF FEES ARE FOR A HIGH

IF YOU'RE PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY

AWAY, THERE ARE WAYS THAT YO

CAN BE SAVING MORE

AND BY THE WAY, THIS AFFECTS NOT

JUST BOOMERS, BUT ACTUALLY GEN X

IS THE MOST INSECURE GENERATIO

IN TERMS OF RETIREMENT AND

RESEARCH SHOWS FOR THE FOURT

YEAR RUNNING, THIS IS TH

BIGGEST ECONOMIC CONCERN O

AMERICANS OVERALL.

>> ARE THERE OTHER PLACES IN THE

WORLD TRYING TO FIND INTERESTING

WAYS OF TACKLING THE RETIREMEN

CRISIS THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD DO

>> CERTAIN COUNTRIES ACTUALL

GET PEOPLE STARTED EARLIER

IN THE UK, THERE IS SOMETHIN

CALLED A BABY BOND

PEOPLE GET A CERTAIN A MONEY T

BE PUT ASIDE FOR THEIR CHILDRE

WHEN THEY'RE BORN.

THE IDEA IS THAT THERE IS

SOCIAL BENEFIT TO THIS, IT GET

PEOPLE ON THE TRACK EARLIER.

AND AGAIN RESEARCH SHOWS THE

EARLIER YOU SAVE OF COURSE THE

MORE YOU HAVE.

AND IT ALSO BUILDS SAVINGS

HABITS

THERE ARE A LOT OF LOW HANGING

THROUGHOUT THAT WE HAVEN'T

EMPLOYED YET

>> AND ONE OF THE THINGS

BEHAVIORAL ECONOMISTS HAVE

ARGUED FOR A LONG TIME IS THAT

PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH 401(K)s

IS THAT THEY'RE OPT IN

AND IF YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T.

AS OPPOSED TO OPTING OUT WHEREAS

YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY IN A PLAN

AND YOU HAVE TO CONSCIOUSLY MAKE

THE DECISION TO OPT OUT OF IT.

OPT OUTS GENERALLY MEAN FAR MORE

PEOPLE ARE IN THE PLAN THAN NOT.

>> IS ANOTHER OPTION FOR 401(K)s

TO HAVE AUTOMATIC STEPPE

INCREASES AND HOW MUCH MONEY YOU

CONTRIBUTE

>> YES, THAT IS ANOTHER IDEA

PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT

PEOPLE WHO STUDY THIS, MANY HAVE

COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT YO

HAVE TO IN EFFECT FORCE PEOPLE

TO SAVE.

IT CAN'T BE OPTIONAL

AND THAT IN ADDITION TO SOCIAL

SECURITY, THERE SHOULD BE SOME

LEVEL OF FORCED SAVINGS FO

RETIREMENT THAT YOU CAN'T OP

OUT OF, THAT MAYBE DOESN'T HAV

THE SAME TAX CONSEQUENCES, THA

YOU CAN'T WITHDRAWAL -

>> YEAH, LEAKAGE

THAT'S SOMETHING YOU HAD TALKE

ABOUT, THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE CA

PULL MEAN OUT OF THEIR 401(K)s

>> WHERE DO THINGS STAND FROM

POLICY POINT OF VIEW

IF PEOPLE AREN'T DOING IT AN

YOU WANT TO CHANGE PEOPLE'

BEHAVIOR, WHERE DO THINGS TAP IN

TERM STAND SO THAT THERE ARE

THESE STEP INCREASES OR OPT OUT?

>> AT A STATE LEVEL, A LOT ARE

COPYING WHAT IS HAPPENING IN

CALIFORNIA

TRSSTEP INCREASES OR OPT OUT

>> AT A STATE LEVEL, A LOT ARE

COPYING WHAT IS HAPPENING IN

CALIFORNIA

TRSINCREASES OR OPT OUT?

>> AT A STATE LEVEL, A LOT ARE

COPYING WHAT IS HAPPENING IN

CALIFORNIA

TRS OTHER STATES ARE STUDYIN

THESE PLANS.

SO I THINK YOU WILL SEE A SLOW

BUT STUDY MOVEMENT TO MORE

ENFORCED SAVINGS

AT A NATIONAL LEVEL, IS THIS A

CONTENTIOUS ISSUE.

THE MY A BOM INTRODUCED IS A

GREAT PROGRAM, BUT IT'S SLOW AND

$15,000 IS PRETTY MUCH WHE

PEOPLE GET INTERESTED.

>> IS THE FINAL THOUGHT TH

BEHAVIORAL QUESTION THAT WE AR

JUST NOT GOOD AT PLANNING FO

THE FUTURE

JUST IN GENERAL SOMETHING MANY

YEARS OUT, IT'S HARD FOR TO US

GRASP WHAT TO DO

>> THERE ARE SEVERAL ISSUES HERE

THAT WE'RE NOT PARTICULARLY GOOD

AT

ONE IS THINKING FAR INTO THE

FUTURE

ANOTHER IS JUST INVESTING.

FOR DECADES, PEOPLE HAVE SAI

INVEST IN LOW COST INDEX FUNDS

DON'T MAKE BIG BETS.

DON'T GET HOOKED ON INTERNET

STOCKS

AND YET PEOPLE DO IT OVER AN

OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

AND SO ONE REASON IS THEY DIDN'T

PUT IN ENOUGH TO BEGIN WITH, BUT

QUITE OFTEN THEY ALSO INVESTED

VERY POORLY.

AND NOW IT COMES BACK HAUNT YOU.

>> WE NEED TO BE SAVED FRO

OURSELVES SOMETIMES.THAUNT

YOU.

>> WE NEED TO BE SAVED FRO

OURSELVES SOMETIMES.OHAUNT

YOU.

>> WE NEED TO BE SAVED FRO

OURSELVES SOMETIMES. HAUNT

YOU.

>> WE NEED TO BE SAVED FRO

OURSELVES SOMETIMES.

>> WELL, THANKS TO YOU BOTH FO

JOINING US

>> THANK YOU

>> I'M CHARLIE HERMAN FROM WNYC.

>>> THIS SUMMER DURING THE

ISRAELI/PALESTINIAN WAR,

ANTI-SEMITIC HATE SPEECH AND

ATTACKS ERUPTED AND MANY

SCRE

JEWISHS, ATTACKS ON BUSINESSES

AND SYNAGOGUES BROUGHT BAC

FRIGHTENING HELP OTHERS.

"METROFOCUS" HOST TALKED ABOUT

ANTI-SEMITISM, NAZIS AND THE

HOLOCAUST WITH ALAN CHERNOFF WHO

HAS WRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT THE

NEAR TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF ON

POLISH TOWN'S JEWS AND HIS OWN

MOTHER'S SURVIVAL.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING

US

YOUR MOTHER IS A HOLOCAUST

SURVIVOR

AND YOUR BOOK IS LARGELY ABOUT

HER EXPERIENCES DURING THE

HOLOCAUST, INCLUDING HER

EXPERIENCES THERE.

ARE THOSE THE STORIES YOU GREW

UP WITH?

>> MY MOTHER DIDN'T REALLY TAL

ABOUT IT AT ALL.

EVEN THOUGH I KNEW SHE WAS A

SURVIVOR, HER TATTOO WAS ON HE

FOREARM, I DIDN'T WANT HER T

HAVE TO RELIVE THE TRAUMA AN

SHE DIDN'T WANT ME TO GROW U

WITHDRAW MADE.

>> SO WHAT LED TO THE DECISION

TO WRITE THIS BOOK WITH HER?

>> ACTUALLY IT WAS WRITTEN OVE

SEVERAL DECADE

IT WAS REALLY A MATTER O

COLLECTING THE RESEARCH, MAKIN

SURE THAT THE HISTORY WOULD NO

DISAPPEAR.

I WANT THE HISTORY OF THE TOWN

TO LIVE ON AND I WANTED PEOPLE

TO LEARN SO MUCH ABOUT THE

DETAILS OF WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED

BEFORE THE WAR IN EASTERN EUROPE

AND OF COURSE DURING THE WAR AND

AFTERWARDS

>> SO THE NAME OF THE BOOK I

THE TAILORS.

WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF TH

TAILORS?

>> WELL, IT WAS A TOWN O

TAILORS.

DURING THE DEPRESSION, THE JOK

WAS THAT THERE WERE MORE TAILORS

THAN CUSTOMERS

THE TAILORS WERE MANY OF THE

SURVIVORS BECAUSE THEY HAD

UTILITY TO THE MAZ ZIS

AS SLAVE LABORS.

SO WITH THEIR PROFESSIONS, THE

WERE ACTUALLY VERY VALUABLE TO

THE NAZIS.

THEY WERE PUT TO WORK THIS SLAVE

LABOR CAMPS IN THE GHETTOS AND

THAT'S HOW MANY WERE ABLE TO

ULTIMATELY SURVIVOR.

>> WHAT I GOT THERE YOUR BOOK, I

SAW THAT, MOST OF THE SURVIVORS,

250 SURVIVED OUT OF A POPULATION

OF 14,000.

WE SHOULD MAKE THAT CLEAR.

AND MOST OF THOSE WERE TAYLORS

TAILORS OR FAMILY MEMBERS OF

TAILORS.

YET WHAT I GOT FROM YOUR BOOK,

EVEN THOUGH THE NAZIS WANTED T

UTILIZE THE SLAVE LABOR OF THE

JEWS, THEY WERE MORE CONCERNED

WITH TORTURING AND KILLING THE

EVEN IF IT MEANT LOSING TH

VALUE OF THEIR LABOR

AM I WRONG

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THERE WERE SO MANY SADISTS

EVERYWHERE

PEOPLE WERE HARDLY GIVEN ANY

FOOD TO EAT IN RETURN FOR THEI

LABOR.

AND THOSE WHO DIDN'T WORK DIDN'T

RECEIVE FOOD AT ALL.

BUT BEYOND THAT, I HAVE MANY

INSTANCES OF JUST ABSOLUTE

TORTURE.

A SA CAN DIST WHO RAN A SLAV

LABOR CAMP LESION HE ASKED FOR A

VOLUNTEER TO JUMP FROM A BRIDG

INTO A STREAM WITH JUST A FE

INCHES OF WATER.

ONE OF THE SURVIVORS ACTUALL

DID IT THAT, BUT HE HAPPENED T

BE VERY ATHLETIC

HE WAS ABLE TO DO SOME

SOMERSAULTS AND LAND ON HIS FEET

AND FOR THAT HE WAS GIVEN

PIECE OF BREAD

>> YOUR MOTHER LOST HE

GRANDPARENTS, LOST HER FATHER.

SHE SAW HER LITTLE BROTHER BEING

TAKEN TO THE GAS CHAMBER

AND SHE EXPERIENCED MANY, MANY

OTHER HORRORS.

HOW WAS SHE ABLE TO MOVE FRO

THAT TO A QUOTE/UNQUOTE NORMAL

LIFE

>> NOT EASY.

THERE IS OF COURSE PSYCHOLOGICAL

TRAUMA

SO MANY SURVIVORS JUST TRY T

MOVE ON WITH THEIR LIFE.

THEY CAME HERE TO THE UNITED

STATES TO A WONDERFUL FREE

COUNTRY WHERE THEY COULD START

AGAIN.

AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT FRANKLY,

THEY HAD TO MOVE FORWARD

THEY HAD TO GO ON.

A LOT OF THE BOOKS, A LOT OF THE

HISTORY WAS NOT WRITTE

IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE WAR.

PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE TIME AN

FRANKLY THEY COULDN'T DEAL WIT

IT

IT WAS YEARS LATER THAT TH

HISTORIES WERE WRITTEN

AND INDEED AS I SAID WITH MY

MOM, IT WAS YEARS LATER THAT SHE

COULD EVEN TALK ABOUT IT

SHE'S ONE OF THE YOUNGES

SURVIVORS OF THE HOLOCAUST

SHE PRETTY MUCH FELT ALONE

MOST OF HER RELATIVES WH

SURVIVED WERE OLDER.

>> DID THE ANTI-SEMITISM

EXPERIENCED, DID THAT PRECED

THE INVASION OF THE NAZIS OR WAS

THERE FRIENDSHIP IN THAT TOWN?

>> THERE WERE CERTAINLY TONS O

BUSINESS INTERACTIONS ALL TH

TIME

MY MOTHER HAD A NONJEWISH NANNY,

SHE LOVED HER VERY MUCH.

SO THEY CERTAINLY DID HAVE

FRIENDSHIPS.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE WERE

SEPARATIONS WITHIN THE TOWN.

I MEAN, IT WASN'T OF COURSE TH

WAY IT WAS DURING THE ACTUAL

HOLOCAUST.

BUT THERE WERE PLENTY OF

INTERACTIONS

>> WHAT I FOUND SURPRISING I

ANTI-SEMITISM AFTER THE WAR.

>> MY MOTHER WAS LIBERATED WIT

PER MOTHER AND THEY TOOK A TRAIN

HOPING TO BE REUNITED WITH

FAMILY MEMBERS, PARTICULARLY

WITH HER FATHER.

THEY WERE THROWN OFF THE TRAIN

ON THE WAY TO THE TOWN

THEY SAID OH, JEWS SURVIVED AN

THEY PUSHED THEM OFF

TOO BAD THE JEWS SURVIVED.

ONCE SHE ACTUALLY WENT TO SCHOOL

AGAIN, PUBLIC SCHOOL, KIDS THREW

STONES AT HER.

THEY HAD TO ACTUALLY SMUGGLE

INTO GERMANY TO GET TO A

DISPLACED PERSON'S CAMP.

IRONICALLY IT WAS SAFER IN

GERMANY THAN IT WAS IN POLAN

BECAUSE OF THE OCCUPATION OF

COURSE

P.

>> DO YOU SEE ANY SIGNS OF

SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENIN

AGAIN IN OUR LIFE TIMES?

>> CERTAINLY HOPEFULLY NOT, BU

UNFORTUNATELY, HATRED IS OUT

THERE.

AND THIS IS NOT JUST A STORY

ABOUT JEWS

LESSONS TO BE LEARNED APPLY TO

ALL OF US AS HUMAN BEINGS.

IMPACT OF HATRED COULD HIT ANY

COUNTRY.

WE HAVE HATE CRIMES HAPPENIN

ALMOST EVERYWHERE.

THE HEADLINES OF COURSE HAVE

BEEN FILLED WITH HORRIBL

STORIES FROM EUROPE, BUT WE NEED

TO BE AWARE OF THAT HERE IN TH

UNITED STATES, AS WELL

>> IT'S A REAL MOVING BOOK

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FO

JOINING US

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH

I'M REALLY HOPEFUL THAT PEOPLE

WILL READ IT AND THAT THEY WIL

LEARN SO MUCH ABOUT WHAT

HAPPENED ONLY A FEW DECADES AG

KNOW

>>> COMING TO BROOKLYN THI

WEEKEND, THE AFRO PUNK FESTIVAL.

MUSIC, FASHION, FOOD AND MUC

MORE

AND IT REFLECTS THE INDEPENDEN

AND CREATIVE SPIRIT.

RICK CARR HAS THE BACK STORY AND

PREVIEW OF WHAT IS IN STORE.

♪♪

>> YOU CAN FEEL THE ENERGY I

THE AIR.

THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE

LIBERATED.

>> IT MEANS A LOT OF PEOPL

BEING REALLY WEIRD AND HAVING NO

EXCUSES OR REASON TO EXPLAIN

THEMSELVES OTHER THAN TO JUST BE

AUTHENTICALLY COOL

>> THE SKATEBOARDERS WILL BE

THERE AND THE BMX RIDERS

AND THOUSANDS OF THEIR FELLO

PUNK ROCKERS

FANS TURN OUT IN FORCE I

MID-JULY AT A MUSIC VENUE IN

BROOKLYN

SOME EVEN STOOD IN THE RAIN FO

HOURS WAITING TO GET IN.

THE DOORMAN TOLD ME ONLY A CROWD

LIKE THIS TWICE.

THEY HAVE THINGS IN COMMON

BESIDES BEING PASSIONATE ABOUT

THE MUSIC.

ACCORDING TO THE ORGANIZERS.

>> UNDERAPPRECIATED, EDUCATED,

CONFIDENT, OPEN MINDED

>> FASHIONABLE FOR SURE.

>> ALTHOUGH THAT IS NOT

REQUIREMENT, BUT IT COMES WITH

THE INDIVIDUALITY THAT THE KID

ARE SEARCHING FOR.

>> WE ARE FOCUSED INTO THE

ENVIRONMENT AND REALLY HAV

PASSPORTS AND TRAVEL, THEY'R

EXTRAORDINARY.

>> BEING OUT OF THE ORDINARY HAS

ALWAYS BEEN PART OF WHAT PUNK IS

ABOUT, MORGAN SAYS

IT'S NOT A FASHION AT THE SAME

TIME, BUT A STATE OF MIND THAT

APPEALS TO FANS.

>> I THINK IF YOU HAVE TO BE A

THOUGHTFUL AS MOST YOUNG PEOPL

OF COLOR DO ABOUT THEI

SURROUNDINGS, THEIR ENVIRONMENT,

YOU'RE ALREADY PUNK.

YOU'RE FIGHTING SOMETHING EVER

DAY ALREADY.

>> PERFORMERS AT THE FESTIVA

ARE STEREOTYPICAL PUNK

ACTS AT PREVIOUS FESTIVALS PLA

EVERYTHING FROM NEO SOUL T

THRASH METAL TO HIP HOP.

COOPER SAYS THE PERFORMER SHE'

MOST EXCITED ABOUT SEEING IS

KNOWN AS K THE KILLER ABOUT.

>> A GAY RAPPER WHO IS UNIQUEL

LEAR LYRICALLY GIFTED.

HE'S BREAKING DOWN BARRIERS AN

HE'S AN AMAZING PERFORMER.

>> THE FESTIVAL ALSO INCLUDE A

MARKETPLACE FOR FASHION, CRAFT

AND ART.

LAST YEAR'S BREAKOUT STAR WAS

HEAVY METAL BAND WHOSE EARLY

TEENS.

EARLIER THIS SUMMER, THEY SIGNED

A MAJOR RECORD CONTRACT.

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THEIR CRAFT.

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WE HAVE SEEN IN BLACK MUSIC IN A

GOOD 15 YEARS.

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TO TAKE THE AFRO PUNK FESTIVAL

ON THE ROAD BECAUSE AFRO PUN

COMMUNITIES ARE THRIVING ALL

OVER THE COUNTRY

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PLACE WHERE IT COULD HAV

STARTED AND THAT'S BROOKLYN.

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IN BROOKLYN.

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