Meet Dub Lawrence, a crusading former sheriff whose investigations highlight increasingly militarized state of American police. Dub established Utah’s first SWAT team, only to see that same unit kill his son-in-law in a controversial standoff.
Man, voice-over: I was a witness to a homicide.
The very SWAT team that I founded
in the 1970s killed my son-in-law.
Man on police radio; He is down.
Shots fired. He is down.
Announcer: What happens to a community
when the police are federally equipped
with militarized weaponry?
Man, voice-over: What we see is just a massive increase
in the use of SWAT teams.
You're looking at a 15,000% increase
since the late 1970s.
Person: Aah! Officer: Don't move!
Man, voice-over: Is that an appropriate government action?
Is that an appropriate use of force?
Announcer: Crime scene investigator and ex-sheriff
Dub Lawrence uses 40 years of experience
to investigate the very SWAT team he founded.
Dub: When certain people in our society
can break the law with impunity,
there is a disparity there that has to be addressed.
Announcer: Filmmakers Scott Christopherson
and Brad Barber expose a community divided.
"Peace Officer," now only on "Independent Lens."
Announcer: This program is made possible in part by Dub: I was a witness to a homicide.
I have waited 4 years patiently for a just verdict.
It does not appear to be forthcoming.
Man, over police radio: We're requesting [indistinct].
Shots fired, shots fired.
Woman, over police radio: 10-4, copy.
Down the 66.
Man, over police radio: Can you call into
Farmington Fire Station,
have them open up one of their bay doors for me?
Woman, over police radio: 10-4.
Man, over police radio: Yankee 14, go ahead.
Yeah, I've got eyes on the back of this truck.
Let me know if you need more info.
Woman, over police radio: Fox one David.
Man, over police radio: We got it.
Woman, over police radio: Do you need negotiators?
On their way there now, sir.
Man, over police radio: Affirmative.
Woman, over police radio: 10-4.
10-14, female's father is at the PD.
Man, over police radio: [Indistinct]
where we're at, 100th and East Eighth.
Different man, over police radio: 7-1.
Police are blocking Main Street and First.
I need them to move that so the ambulance can get through,
Different man, over police radio: 10-4.
Different man, over police radio: Initiate.
[Gunfire, yelling, explosions]
Man, over police radio: He is down.
Shots fired. He is down.
Prepare for medical to move in. Stand by.
Man: My job is pretty...
I don't know how to say this-- confidential.
When there is a major problem,
behind the scenes or underground
or hidden from the rest of the world,
I usually know about it because I'm the person that's hired
to come in and troubleshoot it, solve it, resolve it,
locate the source of the problem and correct it.
Most of my work, I would say 80% of my work at least
The fun begins.
What I'm doing here is making it so I can extract the pump.
There we go.
Something got in there and wallowed out a groove.
So the bearings are completely gone in that.
So that's our problem.
I like this job.
It's a lot less stressful than being a county sheriff
or a county commissioner or a...politician.
Actually it's a step up from being a politician.
Standing in sewage is a step up.
I was the youngest sheriff to be elected
in the history of the state of Utah.
I was 29 years old when I was elected.
I actually had to learn what a sheriff did
after I was elected.
But by the time I took office in January of '75,
I had read everything I could get my hands on
that pertained to the office
and the duty and the constitutional responsibility
of the sheriff of a county.
Nancy: When he first filed to run for sheriff,
I was devastated.
Because I thought, "Oh, my gosh,
we don't have money, you'll never win."
And he won that one.
This picture over here is when I was in the Marine Corps,
This is a police officer with Bountiful City.
This is when I served as Davis County Commissioner
in the mid-'80s.
My campaign picture when I ran for the United States Congress
in 1990, 1992, and 1994,
and I lost all 3 times to Congressman Jim Hansen.
This is my hangar area.
I've built a lot of things in here.
I designed an aircraft.
Took me 18 years of thinking about the perfect aircraft.
I haven't worked on it a day in over 4 years.
I abandoned the plane for a more pressing project.
It was the investigation of the homicide death
of my son-in-law.
I had to find a place that nobody was aware of
and operate in pretty much secrecy.
This was sealed off,
and I could just move one of these out of the way
and make a little path to come back into my project.
I started on this wall.
These are actual photographs of the SWAT team officers
This wall represents the sequential development
of the investigation as we learned new information
about the case.
This has been a very difficult thing to do
because of how close my relationship was to Brian.
He was like a son.
The tragedy changed all of our lives.
Hey, you saw Jake in the fire truck.
That was my new job, one of 'em.
And the battery died on the camera,
otherwise it would have been longer--sorry.
And Jake was in some of my gear.
Go ahead, talk into the camera over there.
What else do you want to say
before we send it?
I don't-- Huh?
Can I have 5 minutes...
No. Well, have fun, we'll see you later,
and we'll send you another one. Bye-bye.
Liz: 99% of the time,
a kind, loving, patient person.
He was stubborn.
He was a take-me-as-I-am person.
Liz: Ha ha!
My ass is so big...
I can cover every state.
Jerry: He overall was a very good husband,
and just I think an excellent father.
But Brian did have a tendency
that when something was going wrong,
rather than opening up and talking about it,
he would keep it within himself and let it build up
until, you know...it would come out in the wrong way.
Liz: I had never seen Brian
the way he was the morning of September 22.
Liz had gone to a church camp in Denver, Colorado.
He supported me in that and bought the ticket,
but you know, it's-- gets closer to...
the day for me to leave and it's time for me to go,
and he just gets... more sad and more, you know,
I don't know, you know? It's--
Dogs get separation anxiety and they tear up the furniture.
I came home, and he was... being extra quiet.
You know, I mean, he just had the look.
We just fought.
He brought up things from 10 years ago.
I mean, we fought about everything.
I've gone through it a thousand times in my mind.
In the beginning, it was a typical Monday morning.
My office is only two blocks away from Brian's home
right here in Farmington.
And as usual, one of the first things that I do
is that I call Brian.
When Brian picked up the phone, he was talking to his dad,
I screamed for Jerry to help me.
And that made Brian very angry.
I did not know how powerless I was
until...I...ran into a truly angry husband.
Operator, over telephone: 911 emergency.
Brian, over telephone: Yeah, I just beat and raped my wife.
Come get me.
Operator, over telephone: You what? Hello?
Liz: When he said it, I-I don't know what his motivation was
other than maybe shock value.
He didn't rape me. He did hurt me.
He did assault me.
He had a very clear moral code himself.
You know, you just don't hurt other people, anybody.
And so he would have been angry at himself probably for that,
frustrated, and where do you go from here?
Jerry: I walked up to the door,
and I could tell the atmosphere was pretty heavy.
You know, I could tell something was wrong.
Operator: Hi. What's-- This is the 911 operator.
What's going on over there?
Oh, it's OK. His dad's here.
It's fine. His dad's here. It's fine.
So what's going on over there?
I have to send somebody.
What's going on over there?
I don't need you to send anyone.
I don't want to talk to anybody.
Woman, over police radio: 10-75, 125 east, 100 north,
125 east, 100 north.
Jerry: Brian climbed into his truck,
he rolled the window up in the car,
and he turned the music on.
He turned it up... quite loud.
And he just--he didn't want to communicate or talk.
Within probably 4 or 5 minutes, there were two police officers
that pulled up in their patrol cars.
He had two handguns.
He rolled down the passenger side window.
He took one of the pistols,
and he did fire a round into the plywood next to the truck.
It was just his way of saying that I do have weapons
and they are loaded,
and I knew at that point
that we have kind of a serious situation.
Man, over police radio: We're requesting SWAT team.
Shots fired, shots fired.
Woman, over police radio: 10-4 copy.
Dub: When I ran the first time for public office in 1974,
I walked from door to door.
Liz was on my back in a backpack
and helped me campaign,
and a lot of people voted for me.
They didn't know me, they didn't know much about me,
but they voted for the guy
with the little girl on his back in a backpack.
Liz is my oldest daughter,
and I've always been really protective of her.
Immediately after the events of the 22nd of September 2008,
I was worried about Liz's safety.
I was very angry at Brian.
When I realized that he had assaulted Liz,
I was angry and I was upset, and I was for a long time.
And I fully expected that Brian would have been convicted
and gone to jail.
I have no problems with that because that's justice.
I do feel that he did not deserve to die.
There would have been and should have been
[Dramatic newsreel music]
Newsreel narrator: 6 days of rioting
in a Negro section of Los Angeles
left behind scenes reminiscent of war-torn cities.
Radley: The origin of the SWAT team
you could track back to 1965 of the Watts riots.
These were unlike any riots
the country had ever seen before.
They were much more militant.
They weren't confined to one part of the city.
Daryl Gates was an inspector at LAPD
and was in charge of LAPD's response to the Watts riots.
And Gates was troubled
by the way his department responded to the riots,
and so his idea was that LAPD needed
an equally militaristic response to that
and comes up with this idea of assembling
this very elite team of police officers
who are highly trained, very specialized,
who could respond quickly and overwhelmingly
to these kinds of emergency situations,
and the idea was to use violence
to defuse an already-violent scenario.
Dub: Across the country, things in the early '70s were changing.
Things were happening that were much more violent.
I went to Los Angeles and studied
right where it had originated.
And it just seemed to be the proper thing to do at the time.
I started the SWAT team in Davis County in 1975.
The intent was noble.
The intent was to have the capability, the weaponry,
the training, the ability to neutralize
or defuse violent situations.
As I stood there and watched and witnessed what went down
on the 22nd of September,
I knew how they should be conducting their operations.
I knew the procedure, the protocol,
tactical approaches that would be effective.
I was disappointed.
But at the same time,
I consistently comforted my family members.
I explained to Jerry, they are professional,
they know what they're doing,
we have to trust them.
All of us really trusted law enforcement.
No one had the inclination that it would end the way it did.
Dub: I went over it and over it in my head
because it didn't make sense the way it went down.
I have been an investigator for 45 years.
When I initially started out as a police officer,
I spent a lot of time on patrol,
investigating traffic accidents.
I worked on some fairly high-profile cases
as a police officer.
We actually broke the Ted Bundy case
at Viewmont High School with the homicide death of Debbie Kent.
And after I left law enforcement
I was called upon a number of times to assist lawyers,
law firms, insurance companies in reconstructing accidents.
I've investigated drug cases, robberies, homicides,
accidental deaths, suicides.
I've investigated at least 125 major felony cases.
Over a period of time
through the Records Access Management Act
and under Freedom of Information Act,
we were able to obtain evidence
that the police had in their possession.
We received 1,100 pages of documents.
Of those 1,100 pages-- there were that many pages--
there's over 300 pages that are redacted.
They cut out what they didn't want us to see.
But I kind of reconstructed a lot of things here.
We placed this exactly the way it was
because we had it photographed.
I took custody of this scene at 7:00 on the 23rd,
which was 20 hours, 22 hours after Brian was killed.
I was astonished.
I was able to direct an investigation
right from the beginning and get fresh evidence
before it was tainted.
That's unheard of.
The police did not do a thorough investigation.
I recovered 14 rounds.
I recovered 7 .37 millimeter gas rounds
that the police discarded.
I recovered black impact rounds, glue, rubber foam rounds,
numerous pieces of evidence were left by the police.
And there was a total of 111 rounds fired by the police
counting the Tasers, the explosive devices,
flash bang grenades,
pepper ball rounds, two lethal rounds,
and we traced 94 of the 111 from point of firing
all the way through everything they touched
until they were recovered,
and either the police have them in evidence
or we have them in evidence.
I spent more and more time doing this.
I spent hours. I'd come in from work every evening
and work till midnight.
Sometimes I'd work all night.
But it became an obsession, and the more I learned,
the more it drew me into trying to find the truth.
Immediately following the altercation in the house,
Brian went out the backdoor, came around the house,
and came and got in his truck.
His father followed him out and stopped by the mirror
and is standing right here by the door.
Jerry is threatened by the police.
They threaten to arrest him for interfering for...
obstructing justice, felony charges
if he didn't move away from the truck.
After a certain length of time,
I finally decided I have to trust them.
I've got to trust them.
I've got to walk away from this,
and they're gonna resolve this situation,
and we'll move forward.
The police officer that was in here with us
took Jacob and myself,
and we had to go out through the backyard,
through the neighbor's fence,
and my aunt too me to the doctor,
and then I came home from the doctor,
and I went to sleep.
They gave me some drugs, and I slept most of the afternoon,
and I had no idea, nobody told me that...anything.
Jerry: There were officers everywhere.
They were on the other side of the fence.
They were inside the house.
They were on the roof of houses
and the fire department across the street.
They've got 80 police officers.
They've got highway patrolmen.
They've got Bountiful Police.
They've got Davis County Sheriff's Department.
They've got the Farmington City, Kaysville.
They got the Salt Lake SWAT team.
It's just unbelievable.
They've got a helicopter in the air.
And during this time,
now Brian is not in any way pointing the gun at any persons
Dub: The first assault begins after 3 or 4 hours
as Brian is convinced it's useless.
He agrees to surrender, and actually opens the door,
starts to step out of the vehicle,
and at that point, the command center tells the officers here,
"No, do not let him out the driver's side.
Take him out the passenger side."
They don't tell him anything.
They just opened fire with a .40 millimeter impact round
that's fired from the living room window,
and it hits the window right here
and blows out his window.
And the first thing he did is, you know,
he flips them the bird,
and they open fire from the kitchen window.
They blow out the back windows
and struck him in the side of the neck.
And so Brian goes down.
Instead of surrendering and getting out,
he is now injured and incapacitated in the vehicle.
It takes them over an hour for to allow him to recover enough
to follow instructions.
Liz: I mean, a chunk of the headrest was torn off.
And these are the non-lethal, non-lethal weapons.
Jerry: I was told that the Davis Country district attorney
relayed the message to him
that he had committed 5 felonies
and that he would be spending the next 20 years in prison.
To try to calm the situation down
by telling him he had already committed 5 felonies
and he was gonna spend the next 20 years in prison
didn't seem to me to be a very tactful position.
I kept telling them, "Let me talk to Brian.
I know I can calm this situation down."
They said, "Absolutely not."
They were in control, and they were gonna handle the situation.
All of a sudden, you see this mentality of aggression
that is just overwhelming,
and once this machine
started going in that direction,
there didn't seem to be any way to reverse it,
change its direction, or slow it down.
It seemed to go into more of a military operation
at that time.
The SWAT team decide to force him out of the vehicle.
They run all the way up to the tree,
within 4 feet of the window,
and toss a flash bang that blows up right by the mirror
and shoot 3 rounds of gas into the back seat area.
Brian then gets out of the vehicle,
and from 3:30 in the afternoon, he stands right here
with a phone to his ear and a gun to his head.
Jerry: Why did this happen?
Who's making these decisions?
Man: You have kind of this perception out there
that it's the militarization of law enforcement.
It's really me as a sheriff
asking a deputy to go into a situation
where there's a high probability somebody will get shot.
And me as a sheriff preparing that individual
with all the tools that I can give him
to keep him safe to go handle that situation,
and that's--if you want to call that militarization,
then that's--that's what it is.
Jim: The premise that the cops
are becoming more like the military,
it is false.
In fact, it is an altered reality.
The opposite is true.
The military has learned from the police.
And it is very evident in places like Iraq and Afghanistan
where they've had to go into these communities
and be part of the community and still function.
The reality is, SWAT teams save lives demonstratably.
Many of our weapon systems are saving lives.
The Taser--great tool,
vilified in many places around the country
as an unnecessary use of force and overly dangerous.
I personally have seen it save the lives of youth and others
'cause it's allowed us to not use deadly force.
So our tactics I think have improved
and improved the safety of our community.
Dub: Since my family became victims,
I've watched more intently than ever
the other people like us who have suffered as victims,
who have to deal with the loss of a loved one,
a family member in this case, and I find that we're not alone.
There are hundreds and hundreds of people across the country.
It's happening several times every day.
Man, over police radio: Whiskey 7, whiskey 7.
Woman, over police radio: Whiskey 7.
Man, over police radio: Whiskey 7,
we're at 3268 Jackson.
We got shots fired. We got an officer hit.
I need medical. I need additional units.
Man: On January 4, 2012, at 8:40 p.m.,
officers from the Weber Morgan Narcotics Strike Force
were attempting to serve a search warrant
at 3268 Jackson Avenue in Ogden.
During the service of the warrant,
6 police officers as well as one suspect were shot
and were taken to local hospitals.
The Ogden City Police Department regretfully announces
that Agent Jared Francom succumbed to injuries
sustained as a result of this incident.
Agent Francom has served the citizens of Ogden with honor
for 7 years.
He is survived by his wife and two young children.
The suspect remains at a local hospital, under guard,
with non-life-threatening injuries.
The suspect's name is Matthew David Stewart.
Mike: I don't believe that
for one minute Matthew knew
that it was the police that was breaking into his home.
They hid their vehicles
across the street by the church.
They snuck over in single file,
being very quiet to not alert neighbors.
They had long hair some of them.
They had beards, they worked undercover.
They wore black clothing, Levis.
You know, they weren't in police uniforms.
There were no police cars with the lights
in front of the house to let somebody know
that, hey, you know, we have a search warrant.
I think his training kicked in.
Erna: Matthew was a communications specialist
in the military.
I mean, he was also airborne.
It kind of took me a while to actually even meet Matthew
because he was very withdrawn.
My relationship with Matthew specifically started growing
when he lost his job at the IRS
and we got him a job with us at Wal-Mart.
Matthew and I worked the graveyard shift together,
so we would go into work at 10 p.m.
and we would get off work at 7 a.m.
Had they waited one more hour,
Matthew would have been out on the driveway
waiting for us to pick him up for work.
None of this had to happen.
Nixon: We must wage what I have called total war
against public enemy number one in the United States,
the problem of dangerous drugs.
Radley: In 1970, 1971,
we have Nixon declaring war on drugs.
Well, Nixon comes up with this idea of the no-knock raid.
Federal narcotics officers across the entire country,
they use it gladly and often.
They start conducting these mass raids,
sometimes without warrants,
terrorizing people in their own houses.
SWAT teams are spreading across the country,
but they're still being used
only in these emergency-type situations.
It really isn't until the Reagan administration
that the two trends converge.
We can defeat this enemy.
Radley: Reagan had taken Nixon's drug war metaphor
and made it very literal.
37 federal agencies are working together
in a vigorous national effort,
and by next year, our spending for drug law enforcement
will have more than tripled from its 1981 levels.
We start to see SWAT teams
used primarily to serve search warrants
on people suspected of drug crimes.
Police! Police! Search warrant!
Police! Police! Search warrant!
Search warrant! Search warrant!
Connor: The war on drugs federally
has produced a lot of money
that's then trickled down to communities.
You see this heavy degree
of new tools and weapons and things
being given to police officers,
but the outcome of that
is that you change from the blue-shirted police officer
to the battle-hardened, battle-gear laden police officer
who looks more like a military officer
ready to fight against an enemy.
Columbia police! Search warrant!
Don't move! Don't move!
Kara: The use of paramilitary policing tactics
is not new.
And in fact,
in some communities,
in particular poor communities of color,
it's been going on for decades.
[Yelling and screaming]
Search warrant! Don't move!
Elizabeth: Particularly for people
who are disproportionally affected by these policies,
there's an increased tension that's going to build up,
and a lot of times that can only hit its climax
and result in extra violence
that otherwise wouldn't be there.
[Crowd chanting "Hands up, don't shoot"]
Elizabeth: Introducing aggressive tactics
and militarized tactics and weapons
into an already volatile situation
has a tendency to increase that cycle
where the community becomes more tense
and the tense react more violently,
so the police react more violently against them,
and it's a self-perpetuating circle.
Kara: in the 1990s,
Congress created a program
that's administered by the defense department
that we refer to as the 10-33 program.
And this is a program that authorizes the U.S. military
to give away to police departments
military equipment essentially free of charge,
to the local police departments.
And that program has a built-in requirement
that a police department that receives equipment
from the U.S. military has to use it within one year.
Elizabeth: Police officers are receiving military vehicles
and uniforms and weapons and equipment,
and they're being told they're fighting a war on drugs,
they're being told they're fighting a war on terror.
Well, you dress them up and you give them that mandate
and you give them that mindset,
it's not a surprise that they start acting
in a militaristic way.
Kara: If all you have is a hammer,
everything looks like a nail.
And it stands to reason that if the federal government
is giving police departments an arsenal of military weaponry,
they're going to use it.
Tragically there are so many incidents
of the use of deadly force across the country.
Radley: What we see is just this massive, massive increase
in the use and number of SWAT teams.
In the late '70s, there were a few hundred SWAT raids per year
across the entire country.
By the early '80s, we were up to about 3,000 per year,
and by 2005, we were up to about 50,000 SWAT raids per year.
So you're looking at about a 1,500% increase
since the early '80s
and a 15,000% increase since the late 1970s.
The vast, vast majority of that increase
is not because we have had a massive increase
in hostage takings or active shooter situations.
In fact, violent crime is down quite a bit.
It's because we've started using these tactics
as an investigative tool to serve search warrants,
to collect evidence against people suspected of drug crimes.
Kara: There are certainly cases
in which it's not only appropriate
but absolutely necessary for the police to use some form
of paramilitary weapons and tactics,
like hostage, barricade,
and active shooter scenarios.
but there needs to be proportionality.
Radley: We've really come a long way,
and it's happened very gradually,
which is why I think people haven't noticed
and why I think there's never really been, you know,
any sort of public debate or public discussion about this.
You know, Congress never said, "We're gonna vote tomorrow
on whether or not we should militarize police."
It's been an amalgamation of policies
that have had this kind of gradual eroding effect
on these principles that got us where we are today.
Dub: I work a lot.
You know, I use every day doing everything I can
to stay busy, to stay occupied because work is my--
that's my medication, that's my therapy.
The proudest act that I've ever committed as a police officer
was in 1972.
"This central Utah city of 27,000 people
"is so honest that when a police officer breaks a traffic law,
"he makes sure that he gives himself a ticket.
"Or at least that is what policeman William Lawrence did
"after he parked his patrol car near an ice cream parlor
"and walked in to order a milkshake.
"A woman told him he had illegally parked.
"We get citations for such violations, she said.
"You're right, Mr. Lawrence replied,
and walked outside and wrote himself a parking ticket."
That kind of set a tone for my whole, entire police career.
I am obsessed with the idea of a peace officer
being a trusted friend,
a qualified, trained peace maker,
and that's possible.
I heard about the Matthew David Stewart case.
I took an interest in it.
Mike Stewart told me
that the police had released the residence
where all of this went down.
I asked him if we could be there
when he made the first entry into the home.
Mike: I can't imagine what it would have been like
for my son and those 6 or 7 officers
that were in this house.
Can you imagine 6 people and 200 bullets
or 150 bullets going off into this little place?
The shock of it all.
Woman: What kind of charges
is this man facing now?
Dee: It appears right now, the information that we have,
that we have an aggravated murder
as well as a number of attempted aggravated murders.
This medal here was a medal of valor,
and this was a medal awarded by Roy City Police Department
for the night of January 4.
This is a...
purple heart medal that was awarded by the strike force,
again, for the night of January 4,
and then this was the medal of honor awarded, again,
for the night of January 4.
I'm not proud of that fact
that myself along with the other agents
had to be in a position where--where somebody felt
that we should receive these.
I received information
from a person that called in
stating that there was a marijuana grow
at the location.
Based upon that information,
based upon the probable cause that we saw at the location,
I was able to write up an affidavit
and present it to a magistrate.
It took probably about 10 minutes
for the judge to read through the search warrant
and decide right then and there
if it's enough probable cause to obtain a search warrant or not.
Derek: Yeah, I was ready to leave,
to go home.
Agent Vanderwarf said, "No, he's finishing up the warrant
"and he should have it approved here pretty soon
if it gets approved."
We parked in the church right across the street.
We get out.
We approach the house, walk up the driveway
up to the side door right there.
Jason: At that point, it wasn't a knock and announce,
so I just positioned myself up to the door
and just started pounding on it repeatedly.
It was long enough to allow a reasonable person
in this house to hear this door and come answer it.
Derek: Everyone looks at Agent Vanderwarf and says,
"We've given him enough time to open the door
if anyone's in there."
Agent Francom hits the door,
and the door just gets shattered.
Jason: I let in, and I came directly down the stairs.
Half the team that goes in goes straight downstairs.
And half the team goes upstairs.
I'm in the half that goes upstairs.
Kitchen's very small. You can see that it's clear.
So we continue north through the kitchen.
I'm right behind Agent Grogan.
Agent Grogan kind of posts up at the half wall.
Had my hand on his back.
I feel him move from my hand,
so I turn to look to see where he went.
I just see a gun come from around the corner,
and I see a big flash.
Jason: This door over here where the girl was at was breached.
And I specifically remember Agent Hanson, Tyler,
said, "There's your grow."
And for a second I thought,
"Oh, wow, that's--that's great"
'cause that's what we anticipated,
that's what we came here to do.
And then it was right here that I heard
the first wave of gunshots upstairs.
Derek: I just let my knees buckle,
trying to fall down as fast as I can.
Boom, boom. I see two more flashes.
And as I'm falling to the ground,
I can feel the bullets go right through...
right through my hair.
I just pulled the trigger as fast as I can.
I don't count how many rounds I fired or anything.
I'm watching my rounds hit the wall.
And then the gun gets pulled back into the room, disappears.
Grogan's laying down in front of me,
and he has his hand over his face.
And I said, "Are you OK?"
He moves his hand,
and all I do is see this big hole in his face.
And he just leans over, and just all this blood
starts coming out of his mouth.
Rob: You said you felt like you needed to defend yourself.
What were you defending yourself from?
Did you have any idea who those guys were?
Tell me what you did with the gun.
How did you--how did you defend yourself?
Rob: Did you pull the trigger on your weapon?
After they unloaded.
Where were you hit?
Do you know now who the people coming in your house were?
Branches of what?
Were you walking back and forth in your kitchen
while you were shooting at the officers?
Jason: Agent Francom,
he had been laying suppressive fire down
so the other agents could clear out of there.
Agent Francom indicated that he was out.
Matthew Stewart took advantage of that.
He came down the hall and began shooting,
just Hail Mary through the walls.
We had blood all over.
Derek: I could hear in the background just at the house
just shots being fired.
Boom! Boom! That's all I'm hearing. Boom!
I kind of run over to the door.
I see Sergeant Hutchinson is laying on his back
with Agent Francom laying on top of him.
And I just grabbed Francom, and he just says,
"I'm hit bad. I need help."
You know, "You need to get me to a hospital quick"
or something, something to that effect.
And, uh, I sat him down, and he just...
like...like he just dies.
Where, if they entered the doorway...
they come through the side door.
Some went down, and some went up.
Matthew was in this room.
He probably would have been
in this position right here
because when he heard them come in,
you know, he was trying to see who it was.
That's when they had said that an army
had come around the corner
from this direction.
Well, now, this is an exit here.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
You got two bullets going in here.
You got an officer there--
So they're firing through the walls--
At what--what, they think he's right here
in the hallway.
You see, you see straight through them.
This is going into the bathroom.
Look where there's an officer in this bathroom
and supposedly gets hit.
Two bullets were fired
that come straight from the kitchen
into this bathroom.
If there's an officer in here when those bullets were fired,
it's likely that he was shot right here...
by friendly fire.
Mike: There's better ways to serve warrants
than using violence and the tumultuous entry.
And people got, you know,
one person killed, 5 wounded,
my son seriously wounded.
You know what they can't answer,
"What were they protecting us from?"
Radley: Militarization is not just SWAT teams.
It's also the mindset, it's this idea that, you know,
it's perfectly appropriate to storm somebody's house at night
for plants, you know?
And there wasn't even any evidence
that he was dealing.
I mean, this was all his own personal use stuff.
5 pounds of marijuana in the freezer,
15 or 16 plants, that's a lot of marijuana.
I don't know what his plan ultimately was,
but there was no evidence that we had of him
selling it to anyone from that house
or on the street.
Radley: The police are creating these circumstances,
they're creating the volatility, they're creating the violence,
they're creating the very thin margin for error.
Is it appropriate that 100-150 times a day in this country
we send cops armed like soldiers barreling into people's homes,
usually at night, to enforce consensual non-violent crimes?
Like, is that an appropriate government action?
Is that an appropriate use of force?
Man: Police! Search warrant!
Police! Search warrant!
Man: Search warrant!
Freeze! Get on the ground!
Get on the ground!
In that clip, you can see them in the dark of night, shouting,
"Police! Search warrant!"
Announcing right as they then invade the home.
Man: Police! Search warrant!
Connor: They enter the home, turn immediately to the left,
where you can see there's a lit hallway.
You can see an individual brandishing something.
And you can't immediately detect what it is,
but you can see that he's holding something up.
And yet within just milliseconds,
you see an officer fire 3 rounds into the chest of Blair,
who then immediately drops.
Man: Get on the ground! Get on the ground!
Connor: Or it was a golf club that he was holding up,
thinking that he was being invaded.
That officer who shot Blair, he put 3 rounds into him,
he later said that he suspected it might have been a sword,
he saw that it was a shiny object,
and he was justified later by the prosecutor
in his use of force.
Radley: But when the police make a mistake
in one of these cases and shoot someone
who isn't really a threat,
they're always forgiven
because it's the volatility of the situation.
You have a reasonable person in the officer's position,
could have, you know, made the same mistake.
The people on the receiving end of these raids
aren't given that consideration, all right.
You're woken up in the middle of the night
to armed men in your house, breaking into your house,
and you're supposed to wake up and immediately conclude
that the armed men in your home are police officers
and not, you know, armed criminals there to kill you.
And if you make a mistake and you, know, reach for a gun,
reach for anything, to defend yourself, you're done.
I mean, you're probably going to die.
And if you do manage to get some shots off
and do manage to survive the next 4 or 5 seconds,
you're probably going to jail for the rest of your life.
You will find situations where officers are justified
in taking the life of someone that is unarmed.
The reality is is that the circumstances
oftentimes are so dynamic that whether they are armed or not
is not the question.
The question is
is what is the perception of the officer at the time.
The average shooting, there's just no opportunity,
nor do we want to train officers to take that extra 15 seconds,
5 seconds, whatever that timeframe is,
to make these kinds of determination
because remember, in their mind,
the whole reason they're using deadly force
is you're about to kill me or someone else.
There's not enough time.
If you have a raid
where an innocent, unarmed person gets killed
and the conclusion is that, a,
none of the officers involved in the raid
violated any department policy
and, b, none of the policies themselves need to be changed,
the only conclusion you can draw from that
is that it's perfectly acceptable
for unarmed, innocent people to be killed
during drug raids.
I mean, that's the only conclusion you can come to.
And that's, you know, on its face,
an absurd conclusion
and should tell you that something in that process,
one of those steps is wrong.
Dub: It's very rewarding to me
to do the job as thoroughly as it can possibly be done,
to learn every truth that can be learned.
And go through here.
Move it up, away from the wall.
See how it's lined up over there?
The red represents the rounds
that were fired by the police officers,
and the yellow represents the rounds fired by the suspect.
We got a battle, gun battle going on right here.
And what we're doing is reconstructing
who fired from where.
There's the entry. There's our hole.
Yeah, there's a bullet.
Huh, there's that bullet.
This is a bullet that hit somebody.
Preserve this. We're gonna mark it.
How about that?
They spent a year and 10 months in here
and at least--you know, and they missed--
All it takes is a crazy chick to find it.
They missed it. Ha ha!
Connor: The question is, are the laws valid,
are they legitimate that create these circumstances
with the Todd Blairs and the Matthew David Stewartsre
and others who are then put in the position
of conflict with police officers?
Where police officers rightly or wrongly feel threatened?
The problem isn't so much the police officers themselves
as it is the system and the laws that they're then enforcing.
Dub: This is probably about the 20th time
I've been to the Stewart residence.
This is a list of all the evidence
collected so far in the case.
These are all bullet or bullet fragments
or shell casings.
[Power tool grinding]
Dub: We were able to recover 54 of the bullets
that were fired.
The police recovered 31.
So 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. We got 'em all.
By being able to determine deflection angles,
penetrations, calibers of bullets,
different weapons that were used,
we were able to reconstruct this crime scene
almost as if we were here videotaping it at the time.
The police state, their position and their account was,
that the suspect stuck a gun around the corner,
ambushed them, opened fire,
and shot officer Grogan in the face,
and he fell into the floor in the bathroom.
The physical evidence disproves all of that.
The evidence shows that Stewart
put his arm out at least that far.
Officer Grogan actually had fired the first two rounds
that were fired.
The very first shot hit Matt in the arm.
From the angle of the wound,
there is no way that Matthew David Stewart
could have been pointing the gun at the officers when he was hit.
An officer fired two rounds from the kitchen.
This was one of the two bullets.
The other bullet traveled in this small space,
the clearing between that wall and this wall and this wall.
Officer Grogan was in this position, firing.
The bullet entered here, it went through his face,
it splattered blood on the door.
If we calculated it right,
the bullet would have fallen all the way to right here.
And I should be able to reach in here
and pull out a slug.
That look good?
This is a .40 caliber bullet.
Matt was firing a 9 mm Beretta.
So the bullet doesn't match anything that Matt was firing.
But look how distorted it is.
That is the kind of distortion you get
when you strike bone, when you strike a mass.
In all probability this bullet has DNA evidence
from Officer Grogan's face.
This would prove positively
that Officer Grogan was shot by friendly fire.
Well, I guess was far as the possibility of friendly fire,
you can never rule anything out.
I mean, you always hear the term anything's possible,
but you got to look at it as a probable.
In this situation, um, where everybody was positioned,
I don't see where there was a possibility of...
of friendly fire.
With it being such a chaotic scene
and people were shooting and people were doing this,
it's a surprise that no one did get shot accidentally
by another officer.
That is a surprise,
And I think that just goes to speak volumes
for the training we have.
Now Matt Stewart fires down the hallway.
They had fired 30 rounds at him and hit him once.
He fires two rounds.
He hears them, and hears them going out into the carport area.
Stewart is moving down the hall and Francom is here.
Stewart fires two shots from here.
Francom is in this position.
The bullets travel through his arm's, hand's area,
strikes his chest.
Stewart continues to fire.
But this is the place where Francom was fatally shot.
Stewart retreats back to the back bedroom,
slits this screen, and bails out the window
onto the awning at the back of the house.
Stewart took a position prone inside the shed out back.
The police open fire on the shed and fired 60 rounds.
5 rounds went through the shed
and struck the residence to the south.
10 of those rounds went through this house, the shed, the fence
and struck the second house down.
So the whole neighborhood was impacted
with bullets flying everywhere.
Stewart was hit and hurt,
and the officers approached him and subdued him.
Man: Put your hands up! Put your hands up!
Dub: A good investigator would never have left the evidence
that was left at this crime scene.
In the final analysis, in this particular scene,
there's only two conclusions that we can come to.
One is the CSI team, the police investigators
who conducted the investigation were either incompetent
or there was a cover-up.
Chris: Stewart shot 26 rounds
from his 9 millimeter pistol inside the house.
Of those 26 rounds, 17 of those rounds hit police officers.
3 of those 17 hit police officers in the head.
Kevin Grogan had a significant amount of surgery
on his jaw and teeth.
Jared was hit 7 times.
He was shot in the left arm, he was shot in the abdomen,
he was shot in the left chest, he was shot in the left femur.
The lethal wound was the penetrating gunshot wound
of the right medial upper back
that struck his spinal cord at T5,
that entered his lung and caused a lot of hemorrhage in the lung
which was--they tried to surgically repair
and couldn't do.
Let's remember who brought the violence to whom.
These officers didn't go in and start shooting at Mr. Stewart.
That's not what happened here.
The reality is Mr. Stewart didn't have to shoot at anybody.
When one looks at this objectively,
I don't think there's any evidence that supports
the defense theory that he acted somehow in self-defense.
Everything about this case proves in my judgment
beyond reasonable doubt
that Matthew Stewart set about to kill police officers.
Those are the ones that I felt go through my hair.
Mr. Francom: You know, these guys
are doing such a wonderful work
for our society and for our kids,
doing something that nobody else wants to do.
I wish it never had to happen to any of 'em.
You know, these guys... need to go home at night
to their families just like the rest of us do.
But sometimes that doesn't happen.
We're grateful, though, to the officers, you know?
They truly are our heroes, each one of them.
We just love 'em to death.
They did their very best, you know,
in a really difficult situation.
Really did what
they've been trained to do.
They did a lot of heroic things.
Unfortunately it was his number
and time to go home.
But he did what he was supposed to do as well.
And he always wanted to be a cop,
so we were... very proud of him.
There's no more honorable profession on this Earth
in my opinion.
Chris: He was just a pleasant kid to be around.
He was a solid police officer.
Dub: My Uncle Denny was my hero.
I grew up admiring him, respecting him.
I kind of patterned my life after him.
He was a police officer.
My brother-in-law is a police officer.
My brother's a police officer.
I became a police officer.
He got a call on the radio to an accident.
It was a traffic accident on the side of the highway,
and Denny walked up, got out of his patrol car,
walked up to this gentlemen who was covered with a blanket
and all of a sudden the guy threw back the blanket, bam!
It was a .22 caliber bullet.
It pierced the skull and went back into his brain.
If they operated and removed it,
it would cause so much damage to brain tissue
that he would be a vegetable.
The bullet stayed and Uncle Denny recovered.
He was never supposed to walk, and he couldn't talk.
And eventually he died of lead poisoning
from the bullet to his brain.
I have great respect and admiration
for the law enforcement profession
and for officers who lay their lives on the line
on a daily basis, who protect and serve,
who do their best to keep us safe.
Hill: It all began on December 20
at about 2:30 a.m.
My eldest daughter, which stays in that bedroom over there,
comes downstairs and told me that she heard noises,
banging in her closet.
And I grab a baseball bat, and I came upstairs.
So I continue, "Who is it?"
I'm not getting any response.
Then faintly I hear...
[Taps on door]
"Ogden City Police."
And I wait a second,
and then they pound again,
so I grab my bat, and I open the door,
and there they were with all their rifles
just pointed in my face and...
and they, oh, yeah,
you know, guns drawn,
LED lights on me,
and they tell me, you know, "Drop the bat,"
so just like that I just...drop the bat, you know.
And they say, "With your left hand, open the screen."
So I open the screen, and there was a cop blindside to me,
so as soon as I walked forward,
he grabbed me and placed me in handcuffs
and held me and told me to face the street.
And there's no cop cars anywhere.
They said, "Who else is in the house?"
I said, "My wife and my kids are downstairs
"scared out of their minds.
What is going on?"
And the officer that had me in handcuffs
makes a nod like that, and officers go inside.
So I grab my phone.
I have 911 dialed on my phone.
As I'm walking across the downstairs,
um, laundry room,
I'm met by a police officer on my stairs
with his gun drawn on me.
Dub: Rifle or pistol?
I think it was a rifle.
It was an assault rifle.
It was an assault rifle.
So immediately my hands go up.
I'm like, "What is going on?"
And I can't really tell he's a police officer.
It was tactical gear. I didn't really--
You know, I couldn't see any indication
he was a police officer.
He never identified himself.
And so I, you know, he tells me, "Come upstairs."
I'm coming upstairs,
and my girls follow behind me.
She's crying, and I'm holding her.
Finally he said, "We believe--
We believe that he's AWOL from the military."
I'm AWOL from the military.
I said, "My husband's never been in the military."
That's what I keep telling them,
you know, "My name is Eric Hill."
And he says, "No, your name is Derek."
He keeps calling me Derek.
I says, "No, I'm not Derek."
And you know, I'm telling them I've never been in the military.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
That's when I said, "The truck parked out there in the driveway
is registered to my name."
And the officer that had me in handcuffs
has another officer go out there and read the plates.
That's when they realized they made a mistake.
You know, they're just like, "Oh, sorry.
Have a good night."
Or "Try to have a Merry Christmas."
He looked at my Christmas tree
as he was walking out.
And as he was walking out,
he sees my baseball bat there on the ground
where he told me to drop it.
And he picks it up
and spins it in his hand a couple times
and looks at me and says, "Louisville Slugger, huh?"
I go, "Yeah."
He says, "Well, you're lucky you came up with that
and not one of your rifles or I'd have wasted you."
What if I did come
and answer the door with a shotgun?
You know, I had every right to.
And the only reason I didn't
is because my daughter was right there,
and I didn't want to scare her
any more than she already was.
I just couldn't imagine, like, walking upstairs
and maybe seeing my husband dead on the floor
in our own home
trying to protect his family.
In 1975, I founded the SWAT team
in Davis County when I was county sheriff.
And September 22 of 2008
the SWAT team killed my son-in-law.
The whole idea of the SWAT team
was to avoid death and injury.
What I'm seeing since I left law enforcement
is a major change in the mentality
and the way things are done.
The cops' connection of serving the people
and keeping us safe, and you know,
they're just so quick to shoot.
Ty: This is the eighth hour of the standoff,
and the word that we're getting from police
is that they say they will be here as long as it takes
to get a peaceful resolution out of this situation.
Jerry: They had big floodlights on Brian.
It was now starting to get dark.
They said he has not had any water.
He has not had any food.
He has been up for hours and hours and hours.
They said he can barely stand up.
They said he's just gonna fall down from exhaustion,
and then this is gonna be over.
So we're not gonna do anything aggressive.
And it was only a few minutes after that, then,
that all hell broke loose.
Dub: They placed the phone call,
and he answered the phone, held it to his left ear,
gun to his chest, and they said, "3, 2, 1."
Man, over police radio: Initiate.
Dub: They fired two
40 millimeter impact rounds.
One hit him in the back of the elbow,
and the other hit him in the tricep.
The gun that he had held all afternoon
fell to the ground
and stopped right at the corner of the trailer.
He is in this location here and down behind the trailer,
and he is tased through the fence,
through a loose board, in the buttocks.
So he was tased continuously for 50 seconds.
Another officer got a little bit overzealous
and touched off a .45 caliber round...
and the bullet hits the back of his skull
and ricocheted into the headlamp of his dad's truck.
When he was hit in the head, he went down,
and he bled profusely on the ground here.
He's still alive.
Instead of subduing him and restraining him
and cuffing him,
what they did is waited and tossed flash bangs.
6 of them detonated on his body.
They detonated them on his butt,
they detonated them on his sides and his kidneys,
they detonated them between his open hands,
empty hands behind his neck as he lay on the ground.
He was not a threat. He had no weapon.
He was incapacitated. He was already down.
He was not capable of firing or injuring or hurting anybody
at the moment the fatal shot was fired.
The officer was actually in this position right here
with a .308 sniper rifle.
The bullet is fired inside the wheel,
underneath the white Jeep that was parked here.
It entered his left cheek, it went down his throat,
and out his upper right back.
The fatal shot is fired 5 minutes and 33 seconds
after the initial attack begins.
Two officers came over and asked my wife and myself
to come with them,
and they took us over to a secluded area
and told us that Brian had shot himself,
and they moved their hand in the gesture
that he had shot himself in the heart.
All I remember them telling me
is he didn't make it.
And then everything...
was just a big...fog.
Well, this standoff lasted
for nearly 12 hours,
but negotiators were not able
to talk the armed man into giving up.
Just less than an hour ago,
the suspect shot himself.
Dub: And that's the way they gave it to the press,
and that's the story they maintained for 20 hours.
They said that he committed suicide,
it was a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest.
That was not true.
There was no gunshot injury to the chest of any kind.
Man: I'm good. You guys good?
Man: Yep, let's do it.
OK, we all good?
OK, appreciate you being here tonight,
and we appreciate also your patience
in letting us take time to get together this information
so that we can give you a more accurate picture
of the events that unfolded last night.
We were not making, we felt,
any progress with the negotiations,
had made another attempt to safely bring him into custody
with less lethal methods, which included flash bang grenades,
baton rounds, pepper ball rounds,
and at the conclusion of that,
it was forced into a deadly force situation
with an officer forced to use deadly force on the subject
resulting in his death.
Man: Did he have a weapon in his hand
when the officer fired that shot?
How many shots were fired?
One by the officer.
Man, over police radio: He is down.
Shots fired. He is down.
Prepare for medical to move in.
Stand by, we're gonna...
Dub: This is the shooter.
He remains standing right where he fired from,
behind the Jeep.
Notice he's not in SWAT uniform?
He's in a regular police uniform.
He doesn't have a helmet. He has no protective gear.
He's supposed to be wearing glasses for night vision,
he doesn't have his glasses on.
He's been there at the scene all day long, for 12 hours.
He's just beginning to realize what he's just done.
Psychologically he was totally unprepared for that.
Liz: I have compassion for him
because this is something he has to live with.
And I wouldn't want to be in his shoes
and have to live with, you know,
having to make a decision, a split-second decision
and take someone's life and second guess, you know, that.
I mean, I think that would be
a difficult life sentence for him.
Jim: Officers that have to take somebody's life
give up a part of themselves forever.
There's a piece of them that's gone,
and there's no getting it back.
You can talk about it all day long,
you know, when we do interviews, "Are you ready?
Could you take someone's life if you have to?"
That's a question we pose in interviews.
We have to know.
And you can see sometimes in new recruits,
"Oh, yeah, I can do that."
And in the back of your mind,
especially if you've been doing it for a while,
you think, "Well, I hope you mean it."
Because once you've done it, things are different.
Nobody enjoys this. Nobody wants to be in this position.
Nobody ever wants to be responsible
for the loss of someone's life.
Mike: My father served in the Army Air Corps,
I served in the Marine Corps,
and Matthew and my other son, Nathan,
both served in the Army and the Airborne.
They both were jumping out of airplanes.
The way they viewed him and what they claim he did
and that they were just very abusive to him.
For a year and a half to be in a little 10-foot cell,
I think he knew about the system
and how unfair the system is.
They're responsible for his death,
that's my opinion.
We're here this morning
to address the death of Matthew Stewart.
Early this morning at approximately 12:50 a.m.
a correctional officer was doing a routine hourly cell check,
in which he discovered Matthew Stewart unresponsive
and hanging from a bed sheet inside his jail cell.
It was determined that he was deceased.
Mike: He wrote a lot of postcards.
The only thing that they would let you do in communicating
to and from the jail is with these postcards.
"Dearest sister Erna,
"I think that you should fight for what you believe in...
"what is most important to you.
"Right now it is to be heard.
So whisper. If they don't listen, speak up."
And if I still got no reaction, then I should yell!
Well, this is me yelling.
In anger and in grief and in pain.
We are here to congregate and honor and respect
and remember Matthew Stewart,
and we are going to have a silent vigil/demonstration
in walking down to Dee Smith's house
so he can join us in feeling our grief.
Dee Smith held a press conference
actually the day of Matt's passing,
just pushing his agenda
and not really giving us a day to just grieve.
So we didn't even have a chance
to tell all of his family members
what had happened yet.
We thought that Dee Smith needed to understand
that we were a grieving family.
Dee: Matthew Stewart fired a total of 31 shots that night.
17 of them struck police officers.
Connor: Those who are left in the wake of all this,
the family members and the friends,
have just severe distrust of police officers.
They allege by and large in these types of situations
that police officers are lying to them,
that county attorneys and the attorney general and others
People become very jaded and do not trust the police officers
They see them as violators of their liberty.
Jim: There is so much at risk
because in even one instance
in which an officer-involved shooting is problematic,
the impact to the public's perception of their safety
is so great that we cannot afford that.
Elizabeth: The mindset is changing,
and instead of seeking to be a part of the community
and seeking to protect the community,
it's "The community is against us,"
and we're here to fight them,
and we're here to almost wipe them out, to control.
People have to understand that we're not fighting
the same people we fought back in the '70s and the '80s
and the '90s, whatever.
It's a whole new class of people.
We have to stay one step ahead of them,
and if that means coming to the fight
with a little bit bigger vest and a little bit bigger gun,
um...so be it.
[Crowd chanting "Hands up, don't shoot"]
Kara: Militarizing the police
undermines public confidence in law enforcement.
It makes people fear the police,
and it makes people not trust the police
when the police think of the communities
that they're supposed to serve as an enemy.
And when you have a situation in which the people fear
or don't trust the police, that undermines public safety.
We don't want people to think that the police
are an occupying force in their neighborhoods.
Jim: You can go to a community
and ask a person a simple question:
should we call the cops?
And in some communities they'll look you in the eye and laugh
and say, "Hell no."
Erna: We near his house, and he's at his pool,
front lawn lined with off-duty police officers
and strike force agents.
Derek: I thought he was a total coward for committing suicide.
Because I was relishing the day
to see the needle put into his arm
and him die from the death penalty.
I'm telling you right now,
because once we went to a jury trial,
I don't care who you are or what your stance is,
once it is laid out there and you go by the facts,
the decision will be made.
I guarantee you he would have got the death penalty.
I guarantee you I would have been waiting
until he actually was executed,
and I would have waited until he died.
He took a shortcut, didn't want to stand trial,
didn't want to do anything,
and I think that speaks volumes because it finally set in
that he realized what he had done,
and the consequences finally caught up to him,
and he couldn't live with it, and he killed himself.
Man: Let's go. Come on.
That was the agreement with Mrs. Stewart.
You need to follow the agreement.
Let's go. Go on.
We can go?
Go on around the corner.
It'll take you right back up.
Jim: Nobody got into this to be a cop,
or they shouldn't have.
They should get into this to be a peace officer.
The objective of our entire profession is to bring peace.
Sometimes peace is purchased with violence.
Not violence that we want or sought or enjoy,
but the fact of the matter is
sometimes peace is paid for with a price,
and that unfortunately sometimes is people's lives.
Child: I'm coming down!
My name is William J. "Dub" Lawrence.
Um...I was elected county sheriff of Davis County
On the 22nd of September 2008,
the very SWAT team that I founded in the 1970s
killed my son-in-law in my presence
as I defended them to his father and his mother and my children,
promising them that these men were trained and professional
and knew what they were doing.
This is an error. This is wrong.
I'm going to inform people wherever I can,
however I can and by whatever media I can.
So I sit here having gone the full gamut.
I'm telling you, we're on the wrong track.
I don't think mankind is equipped
to tolerate injustice forever.
Somehow if we can have some kind of closure,
some kind of...
Hopefully we can be big enough to forgive.
Hopefully the truth can cut its way to the surface.
All we've done today is open the door.
We've just opened the door.
So that our case can be heard in a court of law.
That seems to be the only avenue that I have
that I can speak out and say, "This is wrong."
How do you get their attention of you don't sue 'em?
Pleasure. Pleasure to meet you.
I have been silent for almost 5 years.
I would like to lend my support and to begin speaking publicly
to bring about some changes.
Announcer: This program is made possible in part by
More Episodes (58)
All Routes Lead Home | Ep. 4September 21, 2020
Why Cab Driving in Jamaica Is a Tough Job | Ep. 3September 21, 2020
Then vs. Now: How Driving in Jamaica Has Changed | Ep. 2September 21, 2020
Taxi Ride from Kingston to the Jamaican Countryside | Ep. 1September 21, 2020
Blood BrotherSeptember 01, 2020
The InterpretersSeptember 01, 2020