Cover to Cover

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Cover to Cover - Set in Texas

Ernie Manouse hosts a discussion on books set in Texas. With guests Andrea White (Former Houston First Lady & Author), Ann Weisgarber (Best Selling Author), Joe Holley (Columnist & Editorial Writer), and Deborah Duncan (TV Host).

AIRED: September 11, 2018 | 0:25:43
ABOUT THE PROGRAM
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>> THE GREAT AMERICAN READ JUST

INTRODUCED YOU TO AMERICANS

AMERICANS FAVORITE 100 BOOK.

WE WANTED TO DO A SHOW WHERE WE

TALK ABOUT MORE BOOKS, AND

TONIGHT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

BOOKS ALL ABOUT THE GREAT STATE

OF TEXAS.

JOIN US.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO

COVER TO COVER.

THIS IS OURS AND YOUR BOOK CLUB

RIGHT HERE ON TV FOLLOWING THE

GREAT AMERICAN READ.

WE'RE GOING TO COME TO YOU

EVERY WEEK AFTER GREAT AMERICAN

READ TO SHARE MORE IDEAS, MORE

STORIES, MORE BOOKS AND BRING

IN PEOPLE FROM OUR OWN

COMMUNITY TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF

THEIR FAVORITES.

WE'RE THRILLED TO BE COMING TO

YOU FROM THE HOUSTON PUBLIC

LIBRARY DOWNTOWN, BUT I CAN GO

ON ABOUT THAT STUFF, BUT I WANT

TO FIND OUT WHAT ARE SOME OF

OUR FAVORITE BOOKS ABOUT TEXAS?

LET'S MEET OUR PANEL TO START

OFF.

OUR FIRST GUEST IS THE AUTHOR

OF PROMISE AND THE PERSONAL

HISTORY.

WELCOME TO THE SHOW.

OUR NEXT IS A HOUSTON CHRONICLE

EDITORIAL WRITER, PLUS THE

AUTHOR OF A NEW BOOK, HURRICANE

SEASON, JOE HOLEY.

HELLO, JOE.

>> YOU KNOW OUR NEXT GUEST IS

THE AUTHOR OF SURVIVING

ANTARCTICA, AND THE FORMER

FIRST LADY OF THE CITY OF

HOUSTON.

IF YOU WATCH GREAT DAY HOUSTON,

YOU KNOW OUR NEXT GUEST,

EFFERVESCENT DEBRA --

>> EFFERVESCENT.

>> TEXAS IS A GREAT STATE, WHAT

MAKES IT SO MUCH FUN TO WRITE

ABOUT?

WHY IS THERE A SUBGENRE OF

BOOKS ABOUT TEXAS?

>> IT'S PROBABLY LARGER THAN

LIFE.

AT LEAST WE THINK TEXAS IS.

I WAS GOING TO TELL YOU A

STORY.

>> OKAY.

>> YEARS AGO, WHEN DINOSAURS

ROAMED THE TEXAS PANHANDLE, I

WAS EDITOR OF THE TEXAS

OBSERVER, AND I COMMISSIONED

THIS FELLOW NAMED McMURTRY TO

WRITE A LONGEST SAY ASSESSING

HIS FELLOW TEXAS WRITERS, WHICH

HE DID, AND HE DISSED EVERY ONE

EXCEPT FOR VASSAR MILLER, AND

HIS CRITICISM WAS THAT TEXAS

WRITERS SPENT WAY TOO MUCH TIME

ROW ROMANTICIZING EVERYTHING,

AND IT WAS USUALLY WHITE MEN.

I SAW LARRY A MONTH OR SO AFTER

THE ESSAY CAME OUT, AND HE HAD

BEEN WORKING ON A BOOK HIMSELF

AT THE TIME, WHICH TURNED OUT

TO BE LONESOME DOVE.

AND I SAID, I THOUGHT YOU SAID

WE SHOULDN'T BE WRITING ABOUT

THE OLD WEST AND SMALL TOWN

TEXAS.

HE SAID, NO, I DIDN'T SAY THAT.

I SAID YOU SHOULDN'T BE WRITING

BADLY ABOUT THE OLD WEST.

>> WHO GETS IT RIGHT, DO YOU

THINK?

>> I THINK THE OLD WESTERN

THEMES REALLY SPEAK TO PEOPLE

IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, BUT I

THINK WE HAVE A TENDENCY TO

OVERLOOK THE CITY IN TEXAS AS

WELL.

>> THAT'S WHAT HE WAS SAYING.

>> YEAH.

AND SO HE -- SO HE DIDN'T

FOLLOW HIS OWN ADVICE,

OBVIOUSLY.

AND I'M GLAD THAT HE DIDN'T.

I'M GLAD HE DIDN'T.

BUT I THINK THAT WE DO MISS THE

CITY.

I THINK THE CITY -- I THINK WE

MISS THE BORDER.

I THINK WE MISS MINORITIES IN

MANY OF THOSE STORIES.

THERE'S SO MANY MORE STORIES TO

TELL THAT ARE OUT THERE.

SO WE'RE NOT FINISHED YET, EVEN

THOUGH THERE'S BEEN THIS LONG

HISTORY OF WRITING ABOUT TEXAS,

THERE'S STILL MORE TO COME.

>> WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THAT

GENRE, ARE WE MISSING THE BOAT

A LOT OF TIMES?

WHY, YOU LOOK AT THE SYMBOLS OF

THE COWBOY HAT AND HORSES, BUT

I THINK WE MISS THE MAVERICK

SPIRIT.

GREAT HARDSHIP.

HOUSTON, LARGEST MEDICAL CENTER

IN THE WORLD.

AS TEXANS GO, SO DOES THE

NATION IN SO MANY DIFFERENT

WAYS.

BUT A LOT OF IT IS THE MAVERICK

SPIRIT, THE ENTREPRENEURIAL

SPIRIT, SO THAT'S THE PART THAT

IS THE ESSENCE OF ANY

SUCCESSFUL STATE.

>> ANDREA, WHAT DO WE MISS

ABOUT THE GREAT CITIES WHEN WE

READ THE BOOKS ABOUT ACCOUNTS CS

AND THE PLAINS, WHAT IS GOING

ON IN THE CITIES THAT WE SHOULD

BE SHARING?

>> HOUSTON AND DALLAS AND ALL

OF OUR GREAT CITIES ARE DRAWING

PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD

HERE, AND IT'S NOT ONLY THE

FOOD AND THE CULTURAL

DIVERSITY, BUT TEXAS HAS ALWAYS

BEEN UNUSUALLY DIVERSE.

WE WERE CLOSE TO THE BORDER, WE

HAD THE COWBOYS, WE THE SPANISH

INFLUENCE, AND SO IT'S REALLY

THE PATH IS KIND OF A

REFLECTION IN THE FUTURE.

>> THEY SAY TEXAS IS A WHOLE

ANOTHER COUNTRY, BECAUSE WE'RE

NOT THE SOUTHWEST.

>> IT DOES MAKE ME SAD, YOU CAN

READ 15 BOOKS ABOUT A -- WHEN I

SEE THE WORD HOUSTON IN A BOOK,

IT'S LIKE MY HEART POUNDS, I'M

SO EXCITED.

WE JUST HAVE SO LITTLE COVERAGE

OF -- PLEASANTVILLE AND OTHER

NOVELS WERE IN HOUSTON, BUT

THERE'S NOT ENOUGH OF THAT.

>> AND WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON

BEING THE MOST DIVERSE CITY IN

THE COUNTRY.

>> THE MEDICAL CENTER,

EVERYTHING.

>> THERE ARE A LOT OF STORIES

WORTH TELLING BY A LOT OF

DIFFERENT KINDS OF PEOPLE.

>> DO WE SEE OR FIND OR NOTICE

THAT TEXAS WRITERS, EVEN WHEN

NOT WRITING ABOUT TEXAS, WRITE

DIFFERENTLY?

DO YOU SEE ANY TREND THERE?

>> EVEN WHEN THEY'RE --

>> WE WOULD IDENTIFY THEM AS

TEXAS WRITERS.

DO THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT

APPROACH IN THE WAY THEY TELL A

STORY?

>> ANN IS A TEXAS WRITER.

>> GATHER AROUND THE FIREPLACE.

>> I GET MY MARSHMALLOWS OUT

AND START ROASTING THEM AND

HAVE MY COWBOY HAT ON.

I THINK THERE IS A LITTLE BIT

OF A SENSIBILITY THAT TEXAS

WRITERS HAVE THAT IS UNIQUE IN

THAT, THE MAVERICK SPIRIT, THE

IDEA THAT ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE,

THAT -- WHEN WE'RE WRITING, AND

ALSO YOU'VE GOT TO WRITE ABOUT

THE WEATHER WHEN YOU'RE WRITING

IN TEXAS, AND ESPECIALLY IF

YOU'RE WRITING THIS PART OF

TEXAS.

YOU CANNOT AVOID THE WEATHER AT

ALL.

THAT'S JUST PART OF IT.

YOU CAN'T AVOID THE LANDSCAPE.

AND YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT HOW

BIG AND OPEN IT IS, WHETHER

IT'S THE CITY OR WHETHER YOU'RE

OUT IN WEST TEXAS.

I DO THINK TEXAS WRITERS ARE

MORE AWARE OF THE ENVIRONMENT.

>> AND THERE'S A TRADITION FOR

THAT.

DOROTHY SCARBOROUGH, BACK IN

THE '20s, WRITING ABOUT A

RANCH WOMAN IN THIS CABIN WAY

OUT IN WEST TEXAS AND THE WIND

IS SO -- SHE CAN'T GET OUT, THE

DUST IS GOING, DRIVING HER

CRAZY.

>> ARE THERE THINGS YOU NOTICE

WHEN NONTEXANS TRY AND WRITE

ABOUT THE STATE?

>> OH, YEAH.

>> THEY GET IT WRONG?

>> WELL, THEY GET IT WRONG.

AND THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN

TO.

ARE YOU AUTHENTIC OR NOT.

IT WAS FUNNY, I HAD BREAKFAST

WITH -- I SAID --

>> DID YOU SAY YOU HAD

BREAKFAST WITH PRINCE CHARLES?

[ SIMULTANEOUS SPEAKING ]

>> I SAID, HOW DO YOU LIKE

TEXAS?

HE GOES, I SEE NO COWBOYS.

I WENT TO FRANCE SEVERAL YEARS

AGO AND WE WERE A GUEST AT THE

GOVERNMENT AND WERE GOING TO GO

TO PARIS AND THEY WOULDN'T LET

US.

I WENT, WHY?

[INAUDIBLE]

>> YOU DO HAVE A POINT.

>> DALLAS, THE POPULARITY OF A

TV SHOW CHANGED THE WAY PEOPLE

ACROSS THE GLOBE VIEWED OUR

STATE.

>> AND BASED ON STEREOTYPES OF

TEXANS.

>> LIKE "GIANT".

>> BUT AREN'T SOME OF THOSE

STEREOTYPES A LITTLE REAL?

>> FROM FEBRUARY TO THE END OF

MARCH, YES.

IT'S ALL GOOD.

>> I THINK THERE'S A KERNEL OF

TRUTH, AND I THINK TEXANS HAVE

A TENDENCY TO NOT ALWAYS LIKE

THE MIRRORS THAT REFLECT BACK

AT THEM, IT DOESN'T MAKE THEM

LOOK SO GOOD, WHICH IS WHY

PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE "GIANT".

MANY TEXANS DID NOT LIKE IT, OR

THE TV SHOW DALLAS, BECAUSE

THERE ARE SOME KERNELS OF TRUTH

BEHIND THESE STEREOTYPES.

AND THAT'S WHY I THINK AMERICA

AND THE WORLD IS FASCINATED

WITH THAT, BECAUSE, HONESTLY,

WE CAN THINK OF SOME PEOPLE WHO

MAY BE ALMOST -- FIT THE BILL

OR COME CLOSE.

>> YOU REMEMBER IN "GIANT",

EARLY 1950s, THE STEREOTYPES,

THE CHARACTER PLAYED BY JAMES

DEAN, ROCK HUDSON, THOSE ARE

THE ONES PEOPLE REMEMBER, BUT

AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE NOVEL

IS RACE RELATIONS AND RACE BIAS

AND DIFFICULTY.

>> YES, AND IT WAS VERY HONEST

AND BLUNT.

AND THERE WERE A LOT OF TEXANS

WHO DID NOT APPRECIATE THAT.

>>

>> SO SHE DARED TO PUT THIS

MIRROR UP AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT

I SEE IN THIS STATE AND IT'S

NOT PERFECT.

AND THAT'S A HARD TRUTH.

>> WE'RE INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU

LIKE TO READ AND YOUR THOUGHTS

ON THIS TOPIC.

JOIN US ON THE TWITTER.

NOW WE WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT

OUR PANEL THINKS OF THEIR

FAVORITE BOOKS ABOUT, BY, FOR

TEXAS.

SO, ANDREA, DO YOU WANT TO

START US OUT?

WHAT'S YOUR BOOK?

>> SURE, I'VE GOT THE BEST BOOK

HERE.

IT'S "LONESOME DOVE".

.>> QUITE A THICK BOOK.

>> YES.

ABOUT TWO AGING TEXAS RANGERS

WHO TAKE A LAST CATTLE DRIVE TOO

MONTANA.

AND IT JUST SUCCEEDS ON SO MANY

LEVELS, AND IT'S MUCH BETTER

THAN THE MOVIE.

>> OKAY.

YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO READ FOR

US?

>> SURE.

ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT

IT IS THE HUMOR, AND THAT'S WHY

IT'S SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE

MOVIE BECAUSE EVERY PAGE IS

JUST FUNNY, LAUGH ALOUD FUNNY.

THE PASSAGE I PICKED TO SHOW

THE HUMOR WAS ABOUT THE SILLY

SIGN THAT GUS CARVED, AND IT

SAYS, IN THE END, THEY ARGUED

SO MUCH ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING TO

GO ON THE SIGN THAT CARL GOT

DISGUSTED AND WASHED HIS HANDS

OF THE WHOLE PROJECT.

THE AT FIRST HE STARTED OUT AND

PUT THE NAME OF THE FIRM, HAT

CREEK CATTLE COMPANY AND LIVERY

EMPORIUM, BUT THAT CAUSED

CONTROVERSY IN ITSELF.

CARL CLAIMED NOBODY KNEW WHAT

AN EMPORIUM WAS, INCLUDING

HIMSELF.

AND HE STILL DIDN'T, DESPITE

AUGUSTA'S MANY LONG-WINDED

ATTEMPTS TO EXPLAIN IT TO HIM.

ALL HE KNEW WAS THAT THEY

DIDN'T WANT ONE, WHATEVER IT

WAS, AND THERE WAS NO WAY

SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD FIT

WITH A CATTLE COMPANY.

HOWEVER, AUGUSTUS HAD HIS WAY

AND THE EMPORIUM WENT ON THE

SIGN.

HE MAINLY PUT IT IN BECAUSE HE

WANTED VISITORS TO KNOW THAT

THERE WAS AT LEAST ONE PERSON

IN LONESOME DOVE WHO KNEW HOW

TO SPELL IMPORTANT WORDS.

[ LAUGHTER ]

>> THAT'S A GREAT PASSAGE.

>> I NEVER THINK OF THE HUMOR

WHEN I THINK OF THAT BOOK.

>> IT'S NOT ONLY THE

CHARACTERS, THE GAMBLERS, THE

BUFFALO SKINNERS, THE PRAIRIE

SETTLERS THAT JUST COME ALIVE

AND REAL FROM THE PAGE AND

REALLY ARE DRAWN FROM HISTORY,

BUT THE PHILOSOPHY.

IT'S A LOT ABOUT THE MEANING OF

LIFE, THE FACT THAT THIS CATTLE

DRIVE STARTED OUT VERY

AIMLESSLY, BUT BECAUSE THE TWO

CHARACTERS LIVED THEIR VALUES

AND TRUTH AND RESPECT FOR THE

LAW, IT ACQUIRED MEANING ALONG

THE WAY.

SO YOU CAN READ IT ON A LOT OF

LEVELS.

>> WHICH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF

THEM --

>> THAT'S WHAT MAKES A GOOD

BOOK, THE LEVELS YOU CAN READ

IT AT.

JOE, WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR US?

>> I HAVE A BOOK SET IN 1870 IN

TEXAS BY A WOMAN WHO LIVES ON A

RANCH NEAR UTOPIA TEXAS, ABOUT

A 70-YEAR-OLD MAN WHOSE JOB EYE

ITINERANT NEWS READER.

HE'S AN EARLY DAY AGGREGATOR,

HE GETS PASSAGES AND STORIES

FROM THE NEW YORK TILES AND

PEOPLE GATHER IN MUSIC HALLS OR

THEATERS AND LISTEN TO HIM

READ.

AND HE IS -- HE'S UP IN WICHITA

FALLS AND CHARGED WITH THE

RESPONSIBILITY OF TAKING A

10-YEAR-OLD GIRL, WHO WAS

CAPTURED, SHE LIVED WITH HIM

FOR FOUR YEARS, HE'S SUPPOSED

TO TAKE HER BACK TO HER PEOPLE

CLOSE TO CASTERVILLE WEST OF

SAN ANTONIO.

SHE DOES NOT WANT TO GO.

SO THE NOVEL CALLED "NEWS OF

THE WORLD" IS ABOUT THE

ADVENTURES.

I LEFT THE BOOK AT HOME SO I

BROUGHT THE PASSAGES HERE, AN

EXCERPT.

GILES IS A POET AS WELL AND I

THINK YOU CAN HEAR IT IN THIS

PASSAGE.

THE NOISE OF HORSES AND MILES

EATING, EATING THEIR TEETH LIKE

GRINDSTONES MOVING ON ONE

ANOTHER, AND THE OCCASIONAL

SNORT AS HAY DUST GOT UP THEIR

NOSES, THE SHIFTING OF THEIR

GREAT CANNONBALL FEET.

THAT'S ONE PASSAGE.

HERE'S ANOTHER.

ABOVE AND BEHIND THEM, THE

DIPPER TURNED ON ITS GREAT

HANDLE AS IF TO POUR NIGHT

ITSELF OUT ONTO THE DREAMING

CONTINENT.

>> I LOVE LANGUAGE.

I --

>> SHE'S AMAZING.

>> I HAVE TO SAY, THOUGH, I

LOVE HEARING YOU READ TO ME.

SIT BY MY BED EVERY NIGHT AND

READ ME TO SLEEP.

>> ALL RIGHT, I'LL CALL YOU.

>> WHAT HAVE YOU GOT?

I BROUGHT "BLOOD AND MONEY" AND

IT'S SO OLD IT'S SHEDDING ALL

OVER ME.

>> A GOOD BOOK.

>> THE SIGN OF A GOOD BOOK.

AND THIS IS WRITTEN BY

TOMORROWAS THOMPSON, TAKES PLACN

HOUSTON'S RIVER OAK, ACTUAL

STREET ADDRESSES.

THIS INVOLVES THE DEATH OF A

38-YEAR-OLD SOCIALITE, JOAN

ROBINSON HILL, AND HER FATHER,

WHO WAS AN OIL MAN, IS

CONVINCED THAT JOAN'S HUSBAND

HAD HER POISONED.

AND HE SETS OUT TO PROVE HIS

THEORY.

AND TWO YEARS AFTER JOAN HAS

DIED RATHER MYSTERIOUSLY, THEN

JOHN HILL, HER HUSBAND, THE

GUNNED DOWN AT HIS RIVER OAKS

HOME.

IT'S ALL BLOOD AND MONEY.

IT'S OIL MONEY.

IT'S HOUSTON.

IT IS -- WE'VE GOT TRIALS.

WE'VE GOT A PRIVATE EYE BY THE

NAME OF CLYDE WILSON.

WE HAVE AN UP AND COMING

ATTORNEY BY THE NAME OF

RACEHORSE HAINES.

WE HAVE A HIT MAN, A HITWOMAN,

WE HAVE AN IMPORTANT WITNESS

WHO GETS GUNNED DOWN IN A

POLICE SHOOTOUT.

WE HAVE A BODY THAT IS DUG UP

TWICE.

>> A STEREOTYPE?

>> IT'S CLAIMED TO BE A TRUE

STORY.

SO THIS IS ACTUALLY NONFICTION,

BUT --

>> BUT YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE

AN ATTORNEY IN CHICAGO AND NEW

YORK NAMED RACEHORSE.

>> NO.

RACEHORSE HAINES, AND A PRIVATE

EYE COLLIDE WILSON.

IT'S VERY MUCH HOUSTON.

BUT THIS WAS A STORY ABOUT

HOUSTON AT THE TIME.

I'VE GOT A SHORT PASSAGE TO

READ.

THIS IS ABOUT JOAN ROBINSON,

THE WOMAN WHO DIES BEFORE SHE'S

MARRIED.

JOAN ROBINSON WAS PRINCESS OF

CAFE SOCIETY, THAT SLIGHTLY ILL

MANNERED RELATIVE OF THE OLD

GUARD, THE PRINCIPLE DIFFERENCE

BEING THAT THE FORMER PERFORMED

ITS ANTICS IN PUBLIC WITH NEW

OIL MONEY AND THE LATTER STAYED

AT HOME WITH DOLLARS STORED UP

FROM THE GENERATION BEFORE.

CAFE SOCIETY, EVEN HAD ITS

OFFICIAL BIRTH DATE IN HOUSTON.

THAT BEING THE EVENING OF MARCH

17th, 1949, ST. PATRICK'S

DAY, WHEN A WILDCATTER NAMED

GLEN McCARTHY OPENED THE

SHAMROCK HOTEL.

THE SHAMROCK WAS THE PARIS RITZ

REDOUBLED IN SPADES, THE PLACE

TO GO, THE PLACE TO BE SEEN,

THE PLACE FOR THE RICH AND

RESTLESS IN HOUSTON.

JOAN ROBINSON IN EFFECT SET UP

HEADQUARTERS THERE; SO THE

PROSE IS A LITTLE PURPLE BUT

THE STORY HOLDS UP AND I JUST

READ IT A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.

IT IS A PAGE TURNER.

>> HE WROTE IT LIKE A NOVEL.

>> HE DOES WRITE IT LOOK A

NOVEL.

>> JUST BECAUSE IT'S NONFICTION

DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T HAVE THE

FLAIR AND BEAUTY AND LANGUAGE

AND USAGE.

SPEAKING OF FLAIR AND BEAUTY

AND QUALITY USAGE, WHAT WAS THE

BOOK YOU PICKED?

>> I PICKED "LIFE IS AN

ADVENTURE", AND THE AUTHOR HAD

A TALK SHOW IN THE '70s, AND

THAT WAS A TIME WHEN THEY WERE

STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF

WOMEN CAN MAKE ANY SENSE -- YOU

PUT A PRETTY WOMAN NEXT TO A

MEANINGFUL NEWS ANCHORMAN, AND

SHE KIND OF WAS -- SHE ALWAYS

WAS SMILING, ALWAYS HAPPY, AND

WHAT SHE TALKS ABOUT IS HOW

MANY TIMES SHE WAS CHALLENGED

AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET THROUGH

WAS TO BE -- LET ME PUT MY

GLASSES ON.

THANKS FOR ERNIE FOR LETTING

PEOPLE KNOW I NEED GLASSES.

>> HAPPINESS HAS TO BECOME A

HABIT, LIKE BRUSHING ONE'S

TEETH.

IF YOU DON'T BRUSH THEM, THEY

ROT.

LIFE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE

FILLED WITH PROBLEMS, CHANGES,

CHALLENGES OR DISAPPOINTMENT,

THEREFORE, WE SHOULD MEET LIFE

WITH THE MOST POSITIVE ATTITUDE

POSSIBLE.

IF I COULD GIVE MY SON ANYTHING

IN THE WORLD, I WOULD GIVE HIM

A SENSE OF HUMOR, OPTIMISM, AND

ENTHUSIASM.

AND AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT

EARLIER ABOUT TEXANS, I THINK

THAT'S THE THING THAT HITS THE

HEART OF SO MANY PEOPLE, WE

HAVE THAT ENTHUSIASM, THE SENSE

OF HUMOR AND WORK ETHIC.

ANYBODY WHO CAME TO HOUSTON IN

THE SUMMERTIME AND STAYED, HAS

--WHAT I LOVE ABOUT BOOKS TODAY

IS THAT IT USED TO BE YOU WROTE

THIS MANUSCRIPT AND SENT IT TO

SOME BIG COMPANY SOMEWHERE, AND

HOPED TO GET A RESPONSE, BUT

TODAY THERE ARE SO MANY

DIFFERENT WAYS TO PUBLISH.

THIS WAS PUBLISHED IN 2018, THE

YOUNGEST BOOK HERE.

SHE ACTUALLY DID OUR SHOW ON

PBS.

>> SHE'S BEEN A TRUE TRAIL

BLAZE, AND I THINK THAT'S

THROUGH ALL TEXAS BOOKS, TRAIL

BLAZING, BEING OUT THERE.

JOE, DO YOU SEE THE WAY PEOPLE

WRITE ABOUT THE STATE CHANGE?

>> I THINK IT IS CHANGING.

CERTAINLY FROM WITHIN.

PARTLY BECAUSE THERE IS THAT

DIVERSITY OF AUTHORS NOW.

THERE ARE WOMEN, THERE ARE

MINORITIES, THERE ARE OLD,

YOUNG, THERE ARE CITY PEOPLE.

THERE ARE COUNTRY PEOPLE.

SO THAT'S CHANGING.

AND I THINK PEOPLE AROUND THE

COUNTRY ARE ALSO BEGINNING TO

REALIZE AS TEXAS ACERTS ITSELF

IN WAYS WE'VE BEEN DESCRIBING,

THEY ARE BEGINNING TO REALIZE

AND HEAR ABOUT TEXAS, THAT

THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN THE

COWBOYS, THE OIL MEN, THE

FLAMBOYANT LARGER THAN LIFE.

>> I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN WAY TOO

SMART FOR OUR OWN GOOD RIGHT

NOW.

I'M GOING TO DUMB THINGS DOWN

AND PLAY A GAME.

ARE YOU GUYS READY?

>> ALWAYS READY.

>> YOU HAVE HEARD OF HQ, A VERY

POPULAR GAME NOW.

WE HAVE LQ.

THIS IS OUR LITERARY QUOTIENT

AND WE'LL SEE HOW WELL OUR

PANEL CAN DO.

OUR PANELS HAVE BEEN GIVEN

THEIR DRY ERASE BOARDS BECAUSE

WE'RE A HIGH BUDGET SHOW SO

HERE WE GO.

WE START OUR FIRST QUESTION.

MICHNER'S MODERN DAY CLASSIC

TEXAS WAS PUBLISHED IN 1949,

1963, 1974, 1985?

THEY'RE CHEATING?

NO, YOU'RE NOT CHEATING.

LET'S SEE THE ANSWER.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

'63, '85, TWO PEOPLE HAVE IT

RIGHT, TWO WRONG.

WHO THINKS THEY HAVE IT RIGHT?

>> IT'S '85.

THE REASON I LOVE THAT

QUESTION, I THOUGHT THAT BOOK

WAS AROUND A LOT LONGER.

>> SO DID I.

>> IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO READ

IT.

>> IT DOES.

>> OKAY.

NEXT QUESTION.

WHEN TEXAS AUTHOR LARRY

McMURTRY ISN'T WORKING AND

WRITING BOOKS ABOUT TEXAS AND

THE OLD WEST, HE KEEPS BUSY

WITH HIS OTHER INTEREST, HIS --

BOOKSTORE, CATTLE RANCH,

PAINTING, OR McDONALD'S

FRANCHISE?

♪♪

>> OKAY.

ARE WE READY?

REVEAL.

PAINTING, USED BOOKSTORE, USED

BOOKSTORE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

ARE YOU RIGHT THEY'RE ALL

WRONG?

>> I WANT HIM TO PAINT.

>> WELL, HE DOESN'T.

HE OWNS A USED BOOK STORE.

>> BREAKING NEWS.

>> HERE WE GO AGAIN.

WHICH TEXAS BOOK ADAPTATION WON

THE MOST ACADEMY AWARDS?

WAS IT "GIANT", "NO COUNTRY FOR

OLD MEN", TRIP TO MOUNT HOPE,

OR TENDER MERCY?

WHO WON THE MOST ACADEMY

AWARDS?

>> CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN.

>> GIANT, NO COUNTRY FOR OLD

MEN, TRIP TO BOUNTIFUL, OR

TENDER MERCY.

>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

>> IF IT'S NOT ABOUT A PIG

AND --

[ SIMULTANEOUS SPEAKING ]

>> LET'S FIND OUT HOW WELL YOU

FOLKS THINK YOU HAVE IT.

HERE WE GO.

WE'VE GOT TENDER AM I CYST,

GIANT, NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN.

CONGRATULATIONS, NO COUNTRY FOR

OLD MEN.

FOUR ACADEMY AWARDS IT WON.

WANT TO TRY ANOTHER ONE?

ARE YOU UP FOR THIS?

>> THIS IS FUN.

>> OKAY.

IF YOU WERE TO READ THE

LONESOME DOVE SERIES OF NOVELS

IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER, WHEN

WOULD YOU READ THE BOOK

ENTITLED "LONESOME DOVE"?

FIRST, SECOND, THIRD OR FOURTH?

IF YOU WERE TO READ THE SERIES

IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER, WHEN

WOULD YOU READ THE BOOK

ENTITLED "LONESOME DOVE"?

FIRST, SECOND, THIRD OR FOURTH?

>> DOES THE DOVE START OUT

LONELY OR END UP LONELY?

IT'S KIND OF A TRICK QUESTION.

>> IT IS KIND OF A TRICK

QUESTION.

I WILL GIVE YOU ONE OF THE

TRICKY -- LONESOME DOVE WAS

PUBLISHED FIRST, BUT WHERE DID

IT FIT -- OKAY, REVEAL.

SECOND, SECOND, THIRD, SECOND.

JOE, YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT IS THE THIRD.

[ SIMULTANEOUS SPEAKING ]

>> I HAD THIRD RIGHT HERE.

[ LAUGHTER ]

>> VERY LAST QUESTION.

VERY POP CULTUREY.

IN HARRIS' SUPERNATURAL SERIES,

SANFORD DENARDO IS TOLD TO SEEK

OUT REFUGE IN MIDNIGHT, TEXAS.

WHO TELLS HIM TO DO THAT?

A FORTUNE TELLER, HIS YARDMAN,

THE GHOST OF HIS GRANDMOTHER,

McDONALD REED.

I THINK THEY'RE ALL DISCUSSING

ON THE PANEL.

HASHTAG COVER TO COVER, SHARE

YOUR ANSWERS AND SEE HOW YOU'RE

DOING.

WHO TOLD HIM?

>> THIS IS MY GUESS.

>> YARDMAN, YARDMAN.

CHRISTIAN GRAY.

IT IS THE GHOST OF THE

GRANDMOTHER.

>> DID YOU GUESS?

>> DID I GUESS?

NO.

>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO GUESS

ANYMORE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,

WE'VE COME TO THE END OF THE

SHOW.

IT WAS THAT QUICK.

IT WAS THAT EASY, IT WAS THAT

MUCH FUN TO HAVE YOU ALL ON.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

I WANT TO TELL YOU, NEXT WEEK

OUR TOPIC IS GOING TO BE, WHO

AM I?

WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT BOOKS

AND CHARACTERS THAT ALLOW US TO

EXAMINE STAGES OF OUR PERSONAL

GROWTH.

AND THE AUTHOR OF MOXIE, AND TV

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