Counter Culture Season 2 Ep. 9
Counter Culture Season 2: A talk show in a diner with PBS39's Grover Silcox. Featured guests are: Adele Gamble, Owner, Ghost tours of New Hope; Luis Santiago, Manager, Terror Behind The Walls-ESP; John Levy, Founder, Old City Paranormal.
-Welcome to "Counter Culture," a talk show in a diner.
On tonight's special Halloween episode,
I welcome the owner of Ghost Tours of New Hope,
-All my ghosts are like Casper. -Oh, they are?
They're friendly? -They're friendly, and if not,
they get time-out. -[ Laughs ]
And escapee from Eastern State Penitentiary's Terror Behind
the Walls Halloween attraction, actor and manager Luis Santiago.
-We work year-round.
Even though it's not Halloween in, maybe, February,
people are celebrating Valentine's Day.
We're thinking, "Horror." [ Laughs ]
-And cofounder of Olde City Paranormal Investigations,
-Everybody asked me how I did my investigations.
I said, "For the most part, it's pretty dead." [ Laughs ]
[ Clink ]
-All right here on "Counter Culture."
Welcome to "Counter Culture," a talk show in a diner.
I am your host, Grover Silcox,
coming to you from Daddypops Diner
in beautiful downtown Hatboro.
[ Wolf howling ]
It's said that you'll find the most haunted square mile
in North America in quaint, little old New Hope,
one of Bucks County's most popular destinations.
My first guest knows where all the haunted homes
and hangouts are in New Hope.
She's the owner of Ghost Tours of New Hope,
Adele, welcome to the counter.
-Hi, nice to see you again.
-Did you bring some of your ghostly friends with you?
-I always being them with me. I never travel alone.
-No, you're never lonely.
That's for sure.
Tell us a little bit about the tour.
Evidently, New Hope is very well haunted.
-If you would knock on everybody's door in New Hope,
I guarantee you someone will tell you about a ghost,
an encounter they have.
-And how long have you been conducting the tour?
-The tour is 38 years old,
and I've been doing them for 37 years.
-What prompted the tour? -Adi-Kent Thomas Jeffrey.
She was the woman that wrote "Ghosts In The Valley"
and "More Ghosts In The Valley,"
and she worked for a magazine in New Hope.
People would come in and tell her ghost stories,
so she said, "Something has to be going on here.
I have to check this out." -Right.
-And this is how our baby was born.
She did it one year and thought, "Well, that's it."
She had so many people calling her,
"Are you doing the tours the following year?"
And that's how our baby was born.
-So tell me how the tour works. -Well, it's very simple.
You just meet us on the corner
of Main and Ferry Street in New Hope
by 8:00, no reservations, and it's $10 per person.
And then we give you a little sticker
that says you belong to us for an hour,
and then off we go.
-And what are some of the highlights?
So, like, the first place we come to?
-We do the Logan Inn, and then we do the canal.
Then we go over to Mechanic Street,
and I have to say that Joseph Pickett is my favorite.
-You take folks to where
his store was? -Yes.
We take it right where the building is,
and we tell all about it.
This is the Joseph Pickett House,
and Joseph likes to appear all the time.
Right here you can see it's a window now.
Years and years ago, there were steps that came down,
and that was the door.
There's a woman that lived in the apartment over here,
and she said she would hear,
a lot of times, a door slam and footsteps coming down.
And she would look out, and she said,
"Well, I know there's not a door,
and I know there aren't steps."
But she would hear it a lot.
-Really, Joseph Pickett is among the dearly departed.
-Oh, yes. He pulled my hair and...
-Did he really? -...follows me.
-So you've had some interaction
with the ghosts you're covering in your tour?
-My first year that I did it, Adi always did,
on Halloween night, a séance. -Right, mm-hmm.
-And we did it in his store where he lived,
and I had real long hair.
And I felt something reach around this way, grab,
and my head flew back.
And I said, "Adi, something or someone has me,"
and right there was Joseph Pickett.
-Really? Was he visible to anyone?
We saw him. We saw him.
-Really? -Oh, yes.
-And when you saw him, what did he look like?
-Okay, he's about 6'2",
and he wears a white shirt, black pants, black suspenders,
salt-and-pepper colored hair... Excuse me.
And the biggest handlebar mustache you'd ever want to see.
-Wow. -He's always kind of
smiling too. -Oh, well, that's nice.
You know, you don't want a spirit who's frowning.
-No, well all my ghosts are like Casper.
-Oh, they are? They're friendly.
-They're friendly, and if not, they get time-out.
-[ Laughs ]
When did he pass away?
-Early 1900s. -Mm-hmm?
-He was a primitive artist,
and the people would laugh at him.
And when he died, his wife
threw his paintings away, sold them for $1.
She burned them.
-And he didn't like that? -Well, he was...
I don't think he did 'cause he's still there,
and it's just wonderful to me that he keeps appearing.
-Has anyone on your tour experienced Joseph?
-They have seen him, but he never, like,
approached them or did anything.
But in the store,
he likes to move things around, and they're disappear.
and then it'll come back.
-Right. -He is my favorite.
-He's your favorite, yeah.
Well, he seems like such an affable guy,
even if he's not [Chuckles] alive.
-[ Laughs ]
-So, but let's go... You talk about the Logan Inn,
and if I'm not mistaken,
is that not the most haunted inn in Pennsylvania?
-It is the most haunted inn in the country too.
-In the country? -Oh, yes.
And right now, I can guarantee you if you went there
and asked for room six, which is the haunted room?
-I was gonna mention room six.
-You're not gonna get in. -Why?
-Because that is... Nine times out of 10
I've been told, it's been rented months ahead of time.
-Wow. Now, in room six,
I understand that one of the... In the bathroom, the mirror?
-Tell me about that. -That's...
Well, it was an antique mirror in the bathroom.
-Right. -And the lady had gotten up
to go in, take her shower, you know?
-They were staying at the hotel?
-They were staying overnight.
-Right. -And she went in,
and when she cleaned the mirror off,
she saw a man's face in the mirror.
Well, naturally it frightened her.
-Right. -And she screamed,
and her husband ran in.
And there was a tear coming down the side of the man's face.
We don't know who he was.
All they said, "He was very stern-looking."
-And they went down and told the innkeeper,
and the innkeeper said, "Well, you know,
why don't you go see Adele
and tell her about it?" -Right.
-Because we were just starting the tours.
He wouldn't come near me. -Wow.
You know how fast I'd be out of the Logan Inn?
-Oh, no. -[ Laughs ]
Although there are people
who are totally unaffected by it, right?
I mean, they're, like, they love it.
You love it.
Well, that's why you run the ghost tours,
and yet, now, that inn goes back to the colonial period, right?
-1727. That's a long time. -[ Chuckles ]
And I understand that George Washington
and his troops sort of billeted in and around the inn
during Washington's crossing?
-Right, mm-hmm, yes. -And that a lot of soldiers
that died during that period because of the elements?
-Right. -And the ground was too hard?
Is that what happened?
The ground was too hard there because of the winter?
-It was so hard and frozen, they could not bury them.
-Right. -So they took them
to the Logan Inn, into the basement
and stacked them one on top of another.
-Like corduroy? -Yes.
-Ugh. -And then there was a big,
and what they did was, they cremated them.
But they say one was cremated alive.
-Ooh, and does that one still,
sort of, come back, kind of, protesting...
-I haven't heard anything about it,
but we do have one of the soldiers
that walks back and forth like he's protecting the inn.
-How about the hitchhiker? -I just...It was last year.
-Uh-huh? -Someone heard my tour guide
telling the story.
He and his father would see the hitchhiker
a few times on River Road,
going towards Washington's crossing.
-Yeah, which is a totally dark road.
-And you know how the sides are.
There's no place anybody can...
-Right, it's right along the river.
-And that's, like, last year.
-And why is the hitchhiker there?
-He was killed one night hitchhiking.
He has really, really blond hair and crystal blue eyes,
and he wears a knapsack on his back
and, like, a brown jacket and pants.
-And people have seen him hitchhiking.
Two girls were coming back from a party, and they saw him.
And they were laughing at him, and,
"Oh, you're out in the cold, and we're not."
They proceeded to go on to Peddler's Village.
-Mm-hmm, right. -They saw him again,
and they said, "Now wait a minute.
How did he get from one place to another
when nothing passed us by?"
So they slowed down, they looked at him,
and then they just sped off.
But when they got into New Hope?
-Right there on the main drag there?
-Right. -Bridge Street?
-Yes? -There he was, standing there.
-Amongst others or just by himself?
-Nobody was around at the bridge...
-Uh-huh? -...so the girls got brave.
They rolled the window down, and they said,
"Who are you, and what you do want?"
And poof, he disappeared just like that.
What do people say after they've done your tour?
-We have people that have come back every year,
and by the end of the season,
which is November, we've brought in over, over 1,000 people.
Well, I've taken it, and it's a great tour.
It's one of the best ghost tours ever.
-Oh, thank you. -It really is.
You also have a DVD?
-Yes. -People can take advantage of
"Ghost Tours of New Hope,"
hosted of course by you, Adele Gamble.
Well, continued success.
-Thank you. -And say hi to all our,
you know, spirit friends in New Hope.
-Oh, I will.
-Adele, thanks so much for coming to the counter.
-Adele Gamble -- If you go to New Hope,
she knows where all the ghosts hang out.
Here's a recipe for horror.
Take a vacant, labyrinthine, medieval-looking prison,
long hallways that stretch into darkness,
some ghoulish performers who love to scare people
dying to be scared
and turn it into one of America's most popular haunted
That's what some creative folks did at the historic
Eastern State Penitentiary in Philadelphia.
It's called Terror Behind the Walls,
and my next guest was a performer there
and now serves as an area manager.
And I'm so glad he escaped from
Terror Behind the Walls
to be with us tonight on "Counter Culture."
-Yes, thank you for having me. -So, tell...
Describe Terror Behind the Walls,
this Halloween attraction that's been
going on for how many years now?
-So this is our 29th year.
We have six different attractions
that we have here at Terror Behind the Walls.
-Obviously the environment is all-important.
It takes place at the old Eastern State Penitentiary,
which was built in, what? 1829?
-Around there, yes. -Mm-hmm?
-1800s. -And closed, really, in 1971,
not that long ago really?
-Yes, yes. -And it really has this,
kind of medieval look to it, which is the perfect environment
for a haunted attraction. -Yes, of course.
The building was actually designed to be
intimidating itself, so the façade of the building
is quite intimidating for when guests arrive.
-The tour begins...
The attraction sort of begins when you enter the gate.
You have a choice, right?
-Yes, so we give people the option to opt in,
which allows actors to touch you, grab you,
pull you down secret passageways,
make you crawl, maybe make you slide.
And with the tracking device...
It's a red glowing necklace, a glow necklace.
If you want that extreme haunt,
you can opt in, wear the glow necklace.
And if you're like, "Hey, I just want
to walk through, not be touched,"
you don't have to wear the necklace.
-Right. How many actors are involved?
-So we hire...
Our staff is about a little over 350.
-350 actors? -Well, staff-wise we're 350.
-For the actors, probably around 300.
-There are six different themes within the overall attraction?
-Yes. -There's the infirmary.
What happens in the infirmary?
-In the infirmary you will encounter some doctors,
-But not your typical doctors and nurses?
-Oh, no, of course not.
Not your typical doctors or nurses, and they're geared
to do an operation on you or an experiment on you.
We have a dentist in there
that maybe pulls one of your teeth out.
-Wow. -And you have a lot of
animatronic devices, don't you? -Yes.
Our tech team is... We have such a great tech team.
A lot of our animatronics are actually built in-house.
What kind of animatronics do you have,
like, say, in the infirmary?
-They just added a new one last year.
It was this big monster that had, like,
multiple arms and legs --
very disturbing, very gruesome if you're into that.
-What kind of reactions do people have?
-Oh, it's terrifying because to have it sitting down,
so it looked really small, and so once it starts
standing up, it's about, like, 12 feet tall.
And it was a huge monster.
-Who designs something like that?
Who come up with that idea?
-So we have a creative team, and we work year-round.
I'm part of the creative team,
and we're always thinking about bigger and better things
and how to improve the haunt. -Right.
So now you also have the machine shop.
-What happens in the machine shop?
-We always talk about "down to the scalp."
All of our actors shave their head to be part
of the machine shop, and we use body parts and hair
to "run the machine." -Right.
Of course, these are not real body parts?
-Not real body parts,
but they may feel like they're real body parts.
We have an amazing effects makeup team that we have.
We have about 20 every night that transform 300 actors
in 3 hours into monsters. -Wow.
And as a manager, you have to sort of manage,
like, one half of the prison?
-Yes, we have about 100 staff members every night
on radio, constant communication with one another.
It must be like doing the Super Bowl.
It's the Super Bowl of Halloween attractions.
-Essentially, it is.
We feel like we're one of the biggest haunted house
in the U.S. outside of a theme park.
Now, you also have, for people who love zombies...
And really who doesn't?
-Yes, of course. -[ Laughs ]
You have a zombie lockout, is that right?
-Oh, we have... -Or is it maybe breakout?
-So we have two different attractions.
One is called "Lockdown," and one is called "Breakout."
So Breakout is like the end.
Breakout you're trying to escape from the prison or the building.
Even when you think you're done, you're never done with Breakout.
And with Lockdown,
it's our first attraction that you walk into.
-Okay. -You have some guards,
and this year we're adding just zombies.
So there's this infection that's happening.
You see people with boils on them,
and you're like, "Hey, you...
Something don't look right with you."
-We talked about four of the attractions --
the infirmary, the machine shop, Lockdown, and Breakout.
What are the other two? -So we have "Blood Yard,"
which you're gonna encounter cannibals.
-Of course. -Of course, why not?
-I mean, the name speaks for itself.
-Exactly. You encounter a voodoo queen.
-Ooh. -Yeah, I guess...
Maybe have you engage with her at her altar.
-Mm-hmm? Oh, good.
-And then you have "Quarantine 4D."
-Quarantine 4D? -Yes.
-Is there some kind of a virus involved there or a plague?
-So essentially, yes.
So as we spoke about the infection,
this is where you're gonna try to get decontaminated
or get the infection out of you.
You will encounter the most bizarre,
wild things that you've ever thought of.
-What an experience. -Yeah.
How long does it take to put all this together?
-I mean, we work year-round.
Even though it's not Halloween in, maybe, February,
people are celebrating Valentine's Day.
We're thinking, "Horror." [ Laughs ]
We're constantly working.
-It obviously takes a whole year to get ready
for the following year.
I mean, by the summer, we're already planning for next year.
-Wow. And do people actually...
You hear people, visitors, scream?
Do they react to what's happening?
-Yes. It's...I'm not going to lie,
it's my favorite thing -- hearing visitors scream.
I want to hear them scream,
and for the most part, they laugh right after.
It's an enjoyable experience to go through.
-Wow. And I should say, during the day
they have regular tours of this historic prison.
-Yeah, we have historic tours from 10 to 5 every day.
-You can actually see where Al Capone, the famous gangster,
was incarcerated for just a small time.
-So what are the hours of operation?
It's ongoing as we speak, correct?
-Yep. So we're still going.
We go all the way up to November 9th.
-Well, I want to tell you it's been great
having you at the counter, Luis.
-Thank you. -You know, keep scaring people,
just the way they want to be scared.
-It's so great to have one of the people who makes terror
so much fun at the Eastern State Penitentiary this time of year.
Thank you. -Thank you.
-You know, it's that time of year --
October, when my inner Edgar Allan Poe
needs to exercise itself.
-True, nervous, very, very dreadfully nervous
I had been, and am.
Why would you say that I am mad?
-One of my favorite Poe stories...
Of course, he was the king of the macabre,
maybe one of the first.
"The Tell-Tale Heart," written in Philadelphia in 1843,
the story of madman, a first-person narrative.
-But the noise steadily increased!
Almighty God, what could I do!
I foamed! I raved! I swore!
I swung the chair upon which I'd been sitting
and grated it on the boards!
-And I just feel like it has to come out this time of year.
-Was it possible they did not know?
No, they heard. They suspected.
They were making a mockery of my horror.
This I thought, and this I think.
But anything was better than this agony.
Anything was more tolerable than this derision.
I can bear those hypocritical smiles no longer.
"Villains!" I shrieked, "assemble no more.
I admit the deed."
Tear up the planks! Tear them up!
Here they are, the beating of his hideous heart!
[ Heart beating ]
-Okay, you're hearing voices in the attic.
The basement lights flicker every time
you mention your late Aunt Edna.
There's an uneasy draft that flows by you in the kitchen,
and a knight in shining armor
appears in your upstairs hallway.
Who you going to call?
Well, you could call my next guest
and his crew from Olde City Paranormal.
Please welcome John Levy to the counter.
John. -Nice to meet you.
-Are you right off an investigation or...
-Now what we're gearing up for --
Halloween stuff here. -Tell me.
The name, Olde City Paranormal, is that Olde City Philadelphia?
-Yes, actually this is our 10th year being investigators.
I formed Olde City Paranormal
being a Philadelphia police officer and living in the city.
-Yeah, that's right.
You were a Philly police officer.
-And so investigating should come natural.
-Yeah, it's... -It's what you do.
-It's what I do. [ Both laugh ]
-And so how did you get interested in this, John?
-Just like a lot of other people around this time of year.
Everyone likes to hear the ghost stories, but...
-Right. -...so being a police officer,
one of the experience I've had, I was working.
And my parents lived
just the opposite border of where I patrol.
-Right. -Parents go down the Shore
every summer, so, you know, stop by.
Check on mom's house.
-Right. -And actually I had
an experience where, you know, I seen my grandfather,
who's been deceased since the 1980s.
When you went to check on your parents' home?
-That's correct, and, you know, called mom on the phone
and said, "Hey, you know, I saw my grandfather."
And, you know, she kind of laughed,
and I didn't think it was funny.
So she said, "Well, that's kind of funny you say that,
because I actually felt his presence in the house."
-Did he reach out to you at all,
or did he make any kind of interaction?
Just upstairs, where the restroom is,
his room was the next room over,
and he was just making his way across the house.
And, you know, at first it kind of catches your eye,
and it startles you a little bit,
but, you know, you had a comfortable feeling
knowing that it was a loved one.
Seeing my grandfather was the first
visual experience of seeing.
-Mm-hmm? Have you had others since?
Not just of your grandfather, but maybe another experience?
We did do an investigation where my night vision cameras
actually caught a shadow figure going across
where this place was,
this bedroom where this guy passed away.
-Mm-hmm? -Other than that,
it's, you know, we give 100 percent credibility.
I mean, that's what I do for a living.
I mean, you have to honest and credible.
Just the facts, and you got to be truthful.
It's what people want. They want to know, you know?
Especially when you get people calling you for their homes,
and they have kids that are involved
that are scared, you know?
They want an answer.
-So a lot of times you go in
and just demystify the issue? -Yeah.
And then you get some -- We've had...
And you know, not to mock people,
but you get some crazy people, too.
-I'm surprised. -I had a lady
who thought she had a demon on her
and brought out a shop vac and was shop vac'ing her body.
Me and my investigators kind of looked at each other,
but, you know? -Right.
-We went through the investigation, and...
-What did you do? Recommend a Dyson?
-No, no. I recommended she get some...
-Therapy, right? -Yes, therapy.
-So what kind of haunts actually prove to be,
I don't know, accurate?
-I believe the intelligent haunts.
One of the investigations that we have done was,
it was a nursing school from an active hospital.
My mom worked there. We've been cursed at.
I've been physically touched, and, as a matter of fact,
when we went back to the next investigation,
I was in the same, exact area where that incident took place
where I was actually physically touched.
And the response that I got on my recording,
which I didn't hear, was, "Did it hurt?"
-Really? -That's probably one of
the most amazing pieces of audio evidence I've ever received.
-Philadelphia City Hall, what that haunted?
-Oh, amazing, amazing. -Really?
-We actually caught a little girl's voice.
We went up into the towers of City Hall, and a couple
of the investigators were joking around.
And again, we caught on our voice recorder,
after reviewing some of the evidence,
when the guys were joking,
we caught a little girl's voice saying, "That wasn't funny."
-And everybody was with us was male,
and, you know, 30s or 40 years of age,
so there was no little girl.
-You know, of course, the joke is that,
you know, a lot of people are surprised
when actual councilmen make their appearance.
-Well, my joke is for the people
that ask me how I do my investigations.
I say, "For the most part, it's pretty dead."
[ Both laugh ]
-Right. -You know?
And, you know, some of the equipment that we use?
We use night vision cameras.
We have anywhere from, like, eight cameras, and, you know,
most investigations take about 4 hours.
So you're looking at about 32 hours of video evidence
that we go over.
Each investigator has their own voice recorder.
I have what's called a modified K2.
So a K2 is an electromagnetic field tester.
-Mm-hmm? -Which you can buy in stores.
It's nothing special.
-Right, and what are you looking for on that?
-It reads electromagnetic fields in the area,
and theory is, you know, when there's an interaction
or an anomaly is about to occur, you would get a fluctuation.
As we would set up our K2 meter, if we have a nice base reading,
and we would try to get an interaction with the spirit
by asking a question and saying,
"Hey, could you light the meter up?"
-Have you ever gotten a response?
-Yeah. As a matter of fact,
we did an interview one time at Fort Mifflin.
One of the interviewer guys with us there,
there's a clip of us on our Olde City Paranormal page.
-You'll see where an actual interaction takes place.
-Right, and it's supposed to be pretty haunted
in old Fort Mifflin. -Oh, yeah.
-It goes back to the Revolution, of course.
-I've had a crazy, crazy experience this...
well, last year when we had our Halloween event --
Sleeping With The Ghosts.
One of the reasons why we do
Fort Mifflin is, we got into a paranormal program.
-Mm-hmm? -Which helps fund a lot
of these historic locations
where federal funding isn't available no more.
-Right. -So 100 percent of the proceeds
that we do for Fort Mifflin, one being Graeme Park, you know?
We raise thousands of dollars.
Graeme Park in a 3-year period, we'll raise $37,000.
-Well, Graeme Park is an old historical site.
-An old colonial mansion. -Mm-hmm.
We did an investigation there,
and my wife was a skeptic, one of my investigators.
And previously to the investigation,
before we started, you know,
I went up there to the Keith room to set up some equipment.
-Yeah? -As I was heading,
getting ready to head down the steps, I just got, like,
that overwhelming feeling that somebody was behind me.
I didn't want to say nothing to none of the investigators.
I wanted somebody to have that experience.
-Well, what better person to have than your wife.
-[ Laughs ] Yeah. -The investigation took place.
We were packing up our equipment.
Everybody has walkie-talkies for safety reasons.
-Mm-hmm? -You know, I hear my wife
come over the walkie-talkie saying,
"Can somebody come up here and get me? I can't move."
And that right here is it.
One of our investigators came up here,
and she wasn't moving, so we had to escort her down.
I said, "What happened?"
She goes, "Well, when I was leaving the Keith room,
it just felt like I had somebody blanketing me,
and I could not move. I was frozen."
-Really? -And I told her,
"That the same exact experience I had."
And that's perfect because that actually validates
two experiences from two different people.
You didn't feed her the information so she couldn't
you know, use that. -Nope, nope.
She might kill me once she sees this, by the way.
-Now, when you go, do people want you
to get rid of the paranormal activity,
or do they just want you to kind of identify it?
-Most people want... Is something really occurring?
Am I really experiencing what has been happening.
-Yeah. "Am I going crazy
or is this for real?" -Right.
And then there's other people that say,
"Well, you know, I want this out."
We do have people that do certain things that would
alleviate that, quote unquote, "Get rid of the ghost."
-Right, right. -But my question is,
what can you get rid of that you can't see?
-Well, I don't know.
I don't have the answer to that question.
-Neither do I, so we'll let them know that, you know,
if we don't get nothing, you know, it is what it is.
-We've had people, you know, say, "Hey,"...
Well, places that have been on television shows, actually.
When we debunk a lot of the things that happen, you know...
-Right, right. -They'll threaten us
with legal action because... -Wow.
Because a lot of times you're debunking
so-called claims of paranormal activity?
-Yeah, yeah. It's what I'm supposed to do.
-Right. -Do you charge for this?
Or is this a free service? -No, 100 percent free.
-Because you guys are passionate
about what you're doing?
-We're passionate about what we're doing,
and, again, you're having families that are scared,
kids that are frightened to go to sleep.
-Mm-hmm? -I mean, we all have kids.
We know what that's like.
-Right. -So, yeah.
We want to make sure that, you know, everybody
is satisfied, you know?
And make sure they're able to sleep at night.
-Well, John, I am so thrilled that you could make it
to the counter. -Yeah, thank you for having me.
-And filling us in on the paranormal.
-Absolutely. -[ Laughs ]
John Levy, the founder of Olde City Paranormal,
and one of Philadelphia's original ghost busters.
[ Clink ]
Well, that's our show for this evening.
Thanks for watching.
A special thanks to all my guests,
the owner of Ghost Tours of New Hope, Adele Gamble.
-So the girls got brave, rolled the window down,
and they said, "Who are you, and what do you want?"
And poof, he disappeared just like that.
Performer and spokesman for Terror Behind the Walls
at the Eastern State Penitentiary, Luis Santiago.
-We have a creative team, and we work year-round.
And we're always thinking about bigger and better things
and how to improve the haunt.
-And the founder of Olde City Paranormal, John Levy.
-I had a lady who thought she had a demon on her
and brought out a shop vac and was shop vac'ing her body.
-Stop by next week for more guests and great conversation
right here on "Counter Culture."