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From Page to Stage: Opening Night

The final episode of our From Page-To-Stage series celebrates a return to the stage with the opening night of the Santa Fe Opera’s 17th world premiere, The Lord of Cries. Rehearsals, tailgating, and performance footage take center stage along with composer John Corigliano, Librettist Mark Adamo and maestro Johannes Debus who share how they work to bring this new opera to life.

AIRED: August 21, 2021 | 0:27:10
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THIS TIME, ON COLORES!

THE FINAL EPISODE OF OUR FROM PAGE-TO-STAGE SERIES

CELEBRATES A RETURN TO THE STAGE WITH THE OPENING

NIGHT OF THE SANTA FE OPERA'S 17TH WORLD

PREMIERE, THE LORD OF CRIES.

REHEARSALS, TAILGATING, AND PERFORMACE FOOTAGE

TAKE CENTER STAGE ALONG WITH COMPOSER JOHN

CORIGLIANO, LIBRETTIST MARK ADAMO AND MAESTRO

JOHANNES DEBUS WHO SHARE HOW THEY WORK TO BRING

THIS NEW OPERA TO LIFE.

FACED WITH THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC, MUSICIANS

STRUGGLE TO RECONNECT WITH THEIR "CLASSICAL TAHOE"

AUDIENCE.

JEWELER MICAH BLANK IS INSPIRED TO REPURPOSE

STONES AND METAL.

IT'S ALL AHEAD ON COLORES!

THE LORD OF CRIES OPENING NIGHT!

>>>JOHANNES DEBUS: IT'S A VERY VERY GOOD QUESTION.

WHEN DO I KNOW?

UM...

WHEN DO I KNOW THAT IT'S WORKING?

UMM...

I TH- I THINK IT'S THE MOMENT WHEN I FEEL OH,

IT'S GOING EFFORTLESSLY.

>>>ANTHONY ROTH COSTANZO (DIONYSUS): [SINGING]

LISTEN!

LISTEN TO ME, O MY SISTERS!

>>>JOHANNES DEBUS: FOR ME IT'S ALWAYS AFTER

REHEARSALS A BIT LIKE A STATE OF SHOCK.

I'M STILL IN THIS PROCESS OF THINKING OK, WHAT HAS

TO HAPPEN NOW IN THE NEXT REHEARSAL AND SO ON AND SO

FORTH.

>>>JOHN CORIGLIANO: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED

TODAY IS WE HAD ABSOLUTELY NEVER HEARD THE CHORUS,

THE SOLOIST, AND THE ORCHESTRA TOGETHER AT THE

SAME TIME.

>>>MARK ADAMO: RIGHT.

>>>JOHN CORIGLIANO: NEVER.

IT'S COMING ALIVE RIGHT NOW.

>>>DAVID PORTILLO (JONATHAN HARKER):

[SINGING] AHHHHH!

LUCY!

>>>JOHANNES DEBUS: IT'S SOMETHING INCREDIBLY

SPECIAL I THINK FOR ANY MUSICIAN TO PERFORM THE

MUSIC OF A LIVING COMPOSER AND I MEAN HERE IT'S NOT

JUST ONE LIVING COMPOSER, IT'S JOHN CORIGLIANO.

PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT COMPOSERS OF OUR

TIME.

DURING THE BREAK TODAY I JUST CAME TOGETHER WITH

JOHN, AND HE SHOWED ME SORT OF HIS LIST OF THINGS

YOU KNOW THAT UHH WE SHOULD TRY TO FURTHER WORK

ON.

>>>JOHN CORIGLIANO: HEARING THE THE SOLOIST

AND THEN SUDDENLY THE CHORUS COMES IN AND THE

ORCHESTRAS BEHIND ALL THAT, AND SUDDENLY THE

SOUNDS WE IMAGED ARE COMING RIGHT OUT AND I

THINK THAT'S THAT'S GOTTA BE ONE OF THE GREAT

EXPERIENCES FOR ANY COMPOSER, CERTAINLY FOR ME

IT IS AND MARK'S INCREDIBLE LIBRETTO UH

WHICH INSPIRED THIS.

>>>MARK ADAMO: WELL, I THINK THE THING ACTUALLY

THAT IS GREAT ABOUT THE- YOU KNOW AND YOU AS AS

WRITERS USING THE TERM THAT YOU KNOW MOST

GENERALLY IS THAT, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT

EVEN UM THAT EVERY ROLE IS A ROLE AND EVERY ROLE HAS

A KIND OF ARC IN IT AND YOU CAN YOU KNOW MAKE

THOSE DECISIONS ON A PAGE BUT UNTIL YOU SEE YOU KNOW

THE BODIES IN SPACE MAKING THEIR PERFORMANCE HAPPEN,

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S POSSIBLE.

BUT IF YOU DO WHAT WE DO, WHICH IS TO TRY TO GET AS

MUCH OF HUMAN EXPERIENCE POSSIBLE AND LEGIBLE IN

WORDS AND IN A BLUE PRINT OF SOUND, TO SEE IT

ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN WHAT SEEMS TO BE THREE- OR

FOUR-DIMENSIONS.

WORD, ACTING, MOVEMENT, LIGHTS, ORCHESTRA, TAMBER

EVERY WAY YOU COULD EXPERIENCE SOMETHING.

YOU FEEL IN A CERTAIN WAY LIKE YOU'VE CREATED A

WORLD.

WE'RE PLAYING GOD!

>>>JOHN CORIGLIANO: WE'RE PLAYING GOD!

[LAUGHING]

>>>JOHANNES DEBUS: THERE'S ONE ELEMENT THAT FOR THE

CONDUCTOR THAT'S A BIT LIKE UM A POLICE COP ON

THE STREET WHO REGULATES THE TRAFFIC.

WHEN THAT PART OF MY WORK SO TO SPEAK IS SECONDARY

AND IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MUSICAL EXPRESSION.

THEN I KNOW IT'S IT'S GOING WELL.

>>>MARK ADAMO: BECAUSE SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAS

GONE AS WELL AS IT HAS, IT MAKES YOU EAGER TO SAY,

"NOW I WANT TO SEE THE REST OF IT, I WANT TO SEE

IT TOMORROW, I WANT TO SEE IT RIGHT NOW!"

>>>ANTHONY ROTH COSTANZO (DIONYSUS): [SINGING]

BEFORE YOU PAINTED NOAH'S FLOOD.

THE CHERUBIM, THE VIRGIN IN HER CRÈCHE-

>>>JOHANNES DEBUS: SO ON, ON OPENING NIGHT WHEN THE

WHEN THE CURTAIN GOES UP, IT'S THE MOST WONDERFUL

THING THAT- THAT YOU CAN IMAGINE, IT'S A BIT LIKE

FLYING!

[THE SOUND OF THUNDER & COYOTE HOWLS]

>>>OPERA TAILGATERS: I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD

TAILGATE WITHOUT A CHANDELIER.

[LAUGHING]

>>>OPERA TAILGATERS: YEAH, WE CAME ALL THE WAY FROM

FORT COLLINS, COLORADO TO BE HERE.

>>>OPERA TAILGATERS: [LAUGHS] WELL THE

ATMOSPHERE IS STUNNING.

WE'VE BEEN WATCHING YOU KNOW THE STORM, KIND OF-

HOPEFULLY IT'S PASSING BY AND IT'S NOT LINGERING UH

I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE WITH REALLY BEAUTIFUL RAINBOWS

UMM JUST; PICTURES DON'T DO IT JUSTICE.

>>OPERA TAILGATERS: WE'VE BEEN TAILGAILING FOR

THIRTY YEARS!

[LAUGHS]

>>>OPERA TAILGATERS: TO THE OPERA!

TO THE OPERA!

>>>OPERA TAILGATERS: [CLINK] CHEERS!

>>>OPERA TAILGATERS: [CLINK] TOI TOI TOI!

>>>OPERA TAILGATERS: TO BEING TOGETHER WITH LIVE

PERFORMANCES AGAIN!

YEAH!

YAY!

LIVE PERFORMANCE!

EIGHTEEN MONTHS!

>>>JOHANNES DEBUS: OPENING NIGHT THERE'S TH- THERE'S

EXPECTATION IN THE ROOM THEN RIGHT BEFORE THE

PERFORMANCE YOU STAND THERE AT THE, THE ENTRANCE

DOOR TO THE PIT AND UH MINUTES TURN INTO INTO

HOURS.

WAITING IS UMMM EXCRUCIATING.

YOU WANNA GO INTO THE ARENA YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA

T- YOU WANNA SEE THE WILD BEASTS OUT THERE [LAUGHS]

UH YOU WANNA, YOU WANNA BE THE GLADIATOR SO TO SPEAK.

THEN YOU GET THE SIGNAL AS TO GO.

YOU MAKE IT TO THE PODIUM, YOU GREET THE MUSICIANS,

TAKE YOUR BOW AND THEN YOU JUST FOCUS ON THE MOMENT.

YOU TRY TO SEE AND TO FEEL THE BEGINNING AND WHERE

THIS LONG JOURNEY WILL TAKE YOU.

YOU TRY TO BRING THAT TOGETHER SOMEHOW.

>>>ANTHONY ROTH COSTANZO (DIONYSUS): [SINGING] I,

DIONYSUS, SON OF ZEUS, I CAME DOWN TO THEBES.

I OFFERED THAT CITY THREE CHANCES TO ACKNOWLEDGE ME.

>>>JOHANNES DEBUS: THERE'S ONE PART OF MY BRAIN THAT

IS COMPLETELY DEDICATED TO WHAT'S GOING ON, ON STAGE.

>>>DAVID PORTILLO (JONATHAN HARKER):

[SINGING] HOW?

HOW, THE BLUE FLAMES ON THE ROCKY PLAIN?

HOW,

>>>JOHANNES DEBUS: EVERY PERFORMANCE IS SLIGHTLY

DIFFERENT.

>>>DAVID PORTILLO (JONATHAN HARKER):

[SINGING] NO FACE IN THE SILVER MIRROR?

>>>JOHANNES DEBUS: AND WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE

SINGERS AREN'T JUST SINGING, THEY'RE ALSO

ACTING.

THERE IS AN ELEMENT OF WHAT I WOULD DESCRIBE

RECITATIVO WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE A CHORD IN THE

ORCHESTRA THAT IS HOLD AND THE SINGERS ON TOP OF THIS

CHORD WILL PROVIDE SOME TEXT AND THERE'S A CERTAIN

ELEMENT OF FREEDOM IN IT.

>>>KEVIN BURDETTE (CORRESPONDENT): FOR THE

WESTMINSTER GAZETTE, 3 AUGUST.

>>>JOHANNES DEBUS: AND WHEN THOSE, ALL THOSE

ELEMENTS AND I WOULD EVEN INCLUDE THE STAGING.

>>>STAGE PERFORMERS: [SINGING] I WOULD NOT

CRAVE THE KISS.

[KISS SOUND]

>>>JOHANNES DEBUS: IF THEY ALL COME TOGETHER AND SORT

OF CROSS FEED EACH OTHER, THEN YOU GET THIS IDEA OF

WHAT THE GERMANS WOULD CALL GESAMTKUNSTWERK

>>>JARRETT OTT (JOHN SEWARD): [SINGING] -AND

WHAT HE WANTS!

>>>JOHANNES DEBUS: SO, THE WHOLE THING IS BIGGER THAN

THE SUM OF THE PARTS.

>>>STAGE PERFORMERS: [SINGING] ASK FOR WHAT YOU

WANT: ASK IT IN.

>>>JOHANNES DEBUS: WHAT I LOVE ABOUT "LORD OF CRIES"

IS THE IMMEDIACY OF EMOTIONAL EXPRESSION.

SO, YOU HAVE A COMPELLING STORY ABOUT SORT OF OUR

INNER SELVES, HOW THOSE INNER SELVES MIGHT COLLIDE

WITH THE STRUCTURES WE GIVE OURSELVES TO LIVE

TOGETHER AND HOW THOSE STRUCTURES MAYBE BECOME

HINDRANCES.

>>>JARRETT OTT (JOHN SEWARD): [SINGING] MAKE ME

ECSTASY AND RUIN: MAKE ME LORD OF CRIES!

>>>JOHANNES DEBUS: AND TO SORT OF HAVE THE THE

COURAGE TO FIND OUR OWN STORIES AND HOW THAT ALL

COMES TOGETHER FROM AN ORCHESTRA IN FULL FORCE

WITH MASSIVE BLOCKS OF CHORDS THAT THAT WILL FILL

THE SPACE, TAKE THE ROOF OFF IF TH- IF THERE'S A

ROOF UM TO MOMENTS OF INCREDIBLE INTIMACY AND

AND AND ALMOST SILENCE AND NOTHINGNESS AND WHERE

MAYBE JUST ONE SINGLE VOICE IS LEFT.

>>>JARRETT OTT (JOHN SEWARD): [SINGING] HE HAS

NO PLACE HERE!

>>>JOHANNES DEBUS: AND THIS IS IN FOR ME WHAT

OPERA IS ABOUT.

IT'S DRAMA THROUGH MUSIC.

>>>ANTHONY ROTH COSTANZO (DIONYSUS): [SINGING] O

>>>JOHANNES DEBUS: WHEN NEW PIECES ARE CREATED, WE

HAVE THE CHANCE TO LOOK INTO THE MOST ACTUAL

ISSUES.

INTO THE THINGS THAT MIGHT RELATE TO US AS LIVING

CREATURES OF THE TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY.

THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR A PIECE OF ART NO MATTER

WHEN CREATED THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN ELEMENT OF

UNIVERSALITY IN IT, A CERTAIN ELEMENT THAT

STANDS THE TEST OF TIME.

>>>SUSANNA PHILLIPS (LUCY HARKER): [SINGING] MY

DREAM, AGAIN!

MY PRINCE OF NIGHT!

>>>ANTHONY ROTH COSTANZO (DIONYSUS): [SINGING]

LUCY, WHOSE VERY NAME MEANS LIGHT!

>>>JOHANNES DEBUS: ART HAS TO SOMEHOW PUT A WIDER

LENS ON THE QUESTIONS, THE ISSUES WE MIGHT GO THROUGH

IN OUR DAY IN AGE.

>>>ANTHONY ROTH COSTANZO (DIONYSUS) & SUSANNA

PHILLIPS (LUCY HARKER): [SINGING] THIS IS THE

THIRD TIME YOU/I HAVE COME TO ME/YOU...

ALWAYS, THOUGH, BY MOONLIGHT: AS IF BY LAW.

>>>ANTHONY ROTH COSTANZO (DIONYSUS): [SINGING] I

PREFER THE SHADOW, THE SHADE, FOR AWE.

>>>JOHANNES DEBUS: AND ART MIGHT NOT PROVIDE YOU WITH

THE FINAL ANSWERS TO THAT.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ROLE OF OF THE ARTS, BUT

IT MIGHT HELP YOU TO EITHER FIND THE NEXT

QUESTIONS TO THE QUESTIONS YOU ALREADY HAVE OR TO

COME TO CERTAIN CONCLUSIONS.

>>>ANTHONY ROTH COSTANZO (DIONYSUS): [SINGING] THEN

WHAT OF LUCY, TONIGHT?

LUCY, WHOSE VERY NAME MEANS LIGHT?

>>>SUSANNA PHILLIPS (LUCY HARKER): [SINGING] STILL

IT IS RIGHT.

I CHOOSE WHAT'S RIGHT.

AND TO DO RIGHT IS TO BE GOOD, AND TO BE GOOD IS TO

KNOW JOY.

AND SO I SAY: TONIGHT, I BEAM WITH JOY!

>>>JOHANNES DEBUS: I-I PERSONALLY THINK THAT IT

IS ESSENTIAL FOR, FOR OUR OWN EVOLUTION, THAT THERE

IS NEW CREATION, THAT THERE ARE NEW IMPULSES

THAT THAT KEEP US THINKING AND THAT KEEP US COMING

TOGETHER TO EXPERIENCE THE MOST PRESSING AND THE MOST

FORWARD-LOOKING THINGS TOGETHER.

>>>CHORUS: [SINGING] DENY HIM NOT - DENY HIM NOT -

DENY HIM NOT - DENY HIM NOT -

CHALLENGING THE

PANDEMIC.

CLASSICAL TAHOE STARTED IN 2012, WHERE THREE WEEK

CLASSICAL MUSIC FESTIVAL TAKES PLACE ON THE CAMPUS

OF SIERRA NEVADA UNIVERSITY.

WHAT'S SO GREAT ABOUT OUR ORCHESTRA IS HOW

EXTRAORDINARY EACH OF THEM ARE AS MUSICIANS.

THEY'RE ALL INCREDIBLY GENUINE AND TAKE CARE OF

EACH OTHER AND ARE FAMILY, AND EVERYBODY ALWAYS FEELS

LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, THIS SUMMER WASN'T UNIQUE TO THAT SPIRIT.

WHAT WAS UNIQUE TO THE SPIRIT THIS YEAR WAS IN

ALL OF US, PUTTING TOGETHER OUR FEELINGS OF A

PANDEMIC, AND THE ROLE OF ART IN A WORLD THAT'S

UPSIDE DOWN AND AN ECONOMY THAT HAS HIT THIS INDUSTRY

HARDER, I THINK, THAN ANY INDUSTRY.

AND ALL OF THOSE PIECES ARE BROKEN AND OFF-KILTER.

NOBODY KNEW WHAT WAS COMING.

THESE AMAZING MUSICIANS WEREN'T WORKING, THEY'RE

FURLOUGHED, THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN THE MET IS BACK

ON AND THE SAN FRANCISCO SYMPHONY AND THE CHICAGO

SYMPHONY.

THERE WAS NO GUARANTEE ALONG WITH EVERYTHING THIS

YEAR, THAT THIS WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO UNTIL WE

WERE DOING IT.

AND THEN WE REALIZED, WE DON'T LOOK LIKE THE BEACH,

WE DON'T LOOK LIKE THE TRAILS.

WE HAVE PEOPLE, EVERYONE'S WEARING MASKS.

EVERYONE IS KEEPING THEIR DISTANCE.

EVERYBODY IS JUST TREATING THIS AS A BLESSING TO BE

ABLE TO DO SOMETHING WE'RE NOT PICTURING CAN BE DONE

IN THE MIDDLE OF A VIRUS.

- IT TRULY IS A MIRACLE THAT THIS IS HAPPENING.

THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE MOST INCREDIBLE THINGS

I'VE EVER SEEN COME TOGETHER WITH ALL OF THE

CHALLENGES OF A PANDEMIC, AND TRYING TO GET PEOPLE

SAFELY TO PLAY TOGETHER.

- RIGHT NOW, DURING THIS COVID TIME, WE'RE GRATEFUL

FOR ANY OPPORTUNITY TO INTERACT WITH LIVE

MUSICIANS, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE CALL DISTANCE

RECORDING WHERE PEOPLE RECORD FROM THEIR OWN

HOMES AND THEN IT'S ASSEMBLED LATER.

REALLY AFTER HAVING ONLY NOT PERFORMED BUT NOT EVEN

PLAYED OR REHEARSED IN FRONT OF ANOTHER HUMAN

BEING FOR FIVE MONTHS.

REALLY, I HONESTLY HAD SOME ANXIETY ABOUT BEING

IN FRONT OF PEOPLE AGAIN.

YOU KIND OF LOSE CONTACT WITH THE IMMEDIACY OF WHAT

IT'S LIKE TO DO THE WORK WE'VE BEEN SO ACCUSTOMED

TO DOING, IN MY CASE, FOR ALMOST A QUARTER CENTURY.

I THINK NONE OF US WHO ARE HERE RIGHT NOW, REALLY

KNOW WHEN THE NEXT TIME WILL BE.

SUMMER WITH THE WARM WEATHER, WE CAN DO THIS

OUTDOORS.

ONCE THE WINTER MONTHS COME, NONE OF US REALLY

KNOW WHAT'S AHEAD.

SO THIS HAS TRULY BEEN A SPECIAL MOMENT.

- THESE GUYS ARE THINKING OUT OF THE BOX AND REALLY

PIVOTING AT A TIME WHEN WE NEED IT MOST AND REALLY

GIVING A SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY HERE AT LAKE

TAHOE.

SO I WAS SO OVERJOYED.

NOT ONLY THAT CLASSICAL TAHOE WAS DOING THIS, BUT

THAT I COULD BE A PART OF IT.

IT'S BEEN PRETTY AMAZING.

- I DON'T THINK THAT I REALIZED HOW MUCH THIS

MEANT, TO BE ABLE TO PLAY LIVE MUSIC, THERE ISN'T A

DAY THEY GET UP THAT THEY DON'T TAKE THEIR

INSTRUMENT AND SIT NEXT TO SOMEBODY ELSE, AND BRING

THIS SOUND FORTH.

IN GETTING TOGETHER AND PLAYING MUSIC, I THINK

THAT WE SOLIDIFIED OURSELVES AS AN ORCHESTRA

AND AS AN ORGANIZATION AND AS A BOARD AND AS A

COMMUNITY TO REALLY WANT THIS TO PERSEVERE.

FORMLESS TO INSPIRED.

- MY NAME IS MICAH BLANK AND I CREATE JEWELRY.

I MAKE ALL OF MY JEWELRY IN THE OLD POST OFFICE IN

DOWNTOWN RENO IN THE BASEMENT.

I GOT STARTED IN JEWELRY BECAUSE I WANTED TO WEAR

JEWELRY AND I COULDN'T EVER FIND JEWELRY THAT I

LIKED SO I DECIDED THAT I HAD TO MAKE MY OWN

JEWELRY.

I REALLY LIKE GOLD JEWELRY BUT I LIKE IT TO BE

PARTICULAR AND KIND OF LOOK A CERTAIN WAY.

I LIKE SIGNET STYLE RINGS AND I LIKE KINDA BIGGER

HEAVIER PIECES.

I LIKE TO USE A LOT OF DIAMONDS AND 18-KARAT

GOLD.

I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE MORE OF A FINE JEWELRY BUT

I ALSO LIKE IT TO BE JUST VERY BASIC AND KIND OF

MINIMALIST AND SIMPLISTIC.

I MAKE NECKLACES, BRACELETS, EARRINGS,

RINGS.

I REALLY LIKE TO MAKE ENGAGEMENT RINGS.

I LOVE DIAMONDS SO WHEN PEOPLE WANT AN ENGAGEMENT

RING, I GET EXCITED BECAUSE IT'S JUST LIKE A

STATEMENT PIECE AND I LOVE IT.

USUALLY I START WITH THE STONE SO I'M BUILDING A

DESIGN AROUND A CENTER STONE.

SO DEPENDING ON THE SHAPE, I KINDA CREATE THE LINES

OF IT SO IT'S GONNA KINDA FIT WITH THE SHAPE OF THE

STONE.

WHEN I SIT DOWN AND CREATE A PIECE OF METAL, I

USUALLY MELT THE METAL IN SOME KIND OF A CRUCIBLE OR

JUST SOME A FORM SO THAT I CAN GET A BASIC SHAPE OF

THE MELTED METAL AND THEN FROM THERE I WILL DRAW IT

INTO WIRE OR HAMMER IT INTO A SHAPE THAT I NEED.

I REALLY LIKE WORKING WITH THE METAL.

IT'S VERY PLEASING TO SEE IT KINDA STRETCH OUT AND

BECOME SOMETHING OUT OF KINDA JUST THIS LUMP OF

GOLD THAT I MELTED DOWN.

I TRY TO KEEP IN MIND DIMENSIONS AND PROPORTIONS

OF THE ACTUAL JEWELRY ITSELF, I DON'T WANT TO

MAKE A RING TOO HEAVY SO THAT THE STONE LOOKS

SMALLER AND I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT TOO SMALL SO LIKE

TOO THIN SO IT'S FLIMSY.

I TRY TO KEEP IN MIND LIKE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY AND

THINGS LIKE THAT.

SOMETIMES PEOPLE WILL BRING IN AN HEIRLOOM PIECE

OF JEWELRY THAT THEY RECEIVED FROM A RELATIVE

WHETHER IT BE THEIR MOTHER, THEIR GRANDMOTHER

AND THE STYLE IS A BIT OUTDATED AND THEY JUST

WANT SOMETHING USING THOSE STONES, THEY WANT IT TO BE

A BIT MORE CURRENT OR SOMETHING UNIQUE TO THEM.

AND SO FROM THERE, WE'LL JUST KIND OF DISCUSS WHAT

THEY WANT AND THEN WE'LL TAKE ALL THE STONES OUT,

MELT THE GOLD DOWN AND START MAKING A REALLY

INTERESTING RING USING METAL AND STONES THEY

ALREADY HAVE.

I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO REPURPOSE

JEWELRY AND THINGS THAT WE HAVE, LIKE REPURPOSING

ANYTHING.

SO IF WE CAN USE DIAMONDS THAT HAVE ALREADY, YOU

KNOW, AND WE CAN USE RECYCLED GOLD, I THINK

THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT IN THE PROCESS.

YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE BUYING SOMETHING

THAT YOU KNOW LIKE OKAY, THE PERSON WAS PAID A FAIR

WAGE TO FIND THIS GEM STONE AND I THINK EVERYONE

SHOULD WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEIR HANDS ARE CLEAN

SO TO SAY WHEN THEY BUY THEIR JEWELRY.

I THINK THE MOST GRATIFYING PART TO ME IS

THE FINISHED PIECE BECAUSE I KNOW WHERE IT STARTED, I

KNOW THAT IT STARTED WITH JUST A WIRE OR JUST A WIRE

AND SOME STONES ON MY BENCH, AND THEN I GET TO

SEE IT KIND OF EVOLVE INTO THIS ACTUAL, IT STARTS TO

LOOK LIKE A RING AND THEN WHEN YOU POLISH IT OR

CLEAN IT UP, THEN IT STARTS TO LOOK LIKE, AND

THEN YOU SEE THE FINISHED PIECE COMING OUT.

EVERY TIME I MAKE A PIECE OF JEWELRY, I'M LIKE OH

THIS IS NICE.

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