Broadway Sandwich


Broadway Sandwich: “Beautiful” and “Hadestown”

Follow Broadway's biggest stars during their breaks between matinee and evening performances. See how Evan Todd from “Beautiful” stays in shape for 8 shows a week. Join in as Ahmad Simmons from “Hadestown” takes us inside his on-the-job training to learn to play the guitar.

AIRED: October 16, 2019 | 0:26:46

Why did you think I was Canadian?

Just because, like,

I feel like Canadians make great husbands.

They can build furniture and go camping and, like,

pitch tents and, like, cook on the grill and stuff.

You know what I mean? Yeah.


Good to know. Yeah, yeah.

Maybe I should just start telling people I'm Canadian.


Scribner: The lives of Broadway performers are busy.

They only have a few short hours

between their matinee and evening performances.

And they're giving us an inside look,

from grabbing a bite to unwinding,

plus a backstage tour.

Have you ever wanted to see what we do

in the time sandwiched between performances?

Follow along and find out.

This is "Broadway Sandwich."

Well, it's a beautiful day in New York City,

and you've got a friend in me

because I'm taking you to the Stephen Sondheim Theatre

to meet Evan Todd, who currently stars

in one of my favorite musicals of all time --

"Beautiful: The Carole King Musical."

♪ You got to get up every morning ♪

♪ With a smile on your face

♪ And show the world

♪ All the love in your heart

Scribner: "Beautiful" tells the true story of Carole King's journey

from teen songwriter and hit maker to solo success.

♪ Show the world all the love

"Beautiful" was nominated for seven Tony Awards,

and it won two.

It also took home the Grammy Award

for Best Musical Theater Album.

Don't worry. It's got all the hits you love,

plus a bunch of songs you probably never knew

she wrote for other music superstars.

Evan plays Gerry Goffin,

Carole King's first husband and songwriting partner.

Why did you think I was Canadian?


Now, this is Evan's debut as a performer on Broadway,

but he's already been nominated for a Tony

for his producing work on the revival of "Spring Awakening."

Evan! Hey!

What's going on, cutie? How are you?

How was the matinee? It was good.

It was good. We have great matinees.

A little rowdy, like a wine-spritzer crowd?

Yeah, we got all the drunk moms. It's lovely.

It's a mom musical. Come. It's great.

Now, I can't help but notice you right behind me.

This is my face.

It actually used to be all the way up there.

It was like three times the size.

So, in case anybody forgets...

Yeah.'re in the show.

Okay, so we don't have much time before you have to come

right back here to do your second show.

What's on the agenda for today?

We are going to get a bite to eat 'cause I'm starving.

We're gonna work out, and we're going to see

my dog, Cooper. Aw, I can't wait.

Yeah. Alright, that's a lot to fit in.

Well, it's all this way, so let's just start walking.

Where you lead, I will follow.

Alright. Sounds good.

Yeah, so, basically, they have everything

you could possibly want in here. I've been here.

Have you really? Drunk, late-night place.

They're open 24 hours. Yeah.

Don't get the buffet that late.

Okay, yeah.

So beautiful out. Yeah, it's really nice.

Okay, so I'm gonna go grab Cooper.

Can you get a table around the corner?

Yeah, perfect. I'll hold your food.

Oh, yeah, thanks. Alright.

Alright, I'll be right back. See you in a sec.

Okay. This is Cooper.

[ Laughs ] Cooper! Hiya, buddy.

He was sleeping like five seconds ago. Oh, my God!

Hey, sweetheart.

My day just got so much better.

Oh, yours too! Oh, get in there! Get in there.

Yours too! You gonna eat my dinner?

I love him already. We got him about a year ago.

Hiya, buddy. Exactly a year now.

You sit with me.

You sit, sit, sit. I know.

I'm gonna eat,

and maybe you can have a piece of chicken later

or something, only if Dad lets you.

I applied to Yale and Northwestern and...

Oh, my God. And Juilliard. ...all the schools.

And I didn't get in.

I thought I was gonna go one direction. Yeah.

And I ended up having, in the best way,

this incredible opportunity to go to Juilliard,

and I got an amazing scholarship. Yeah, Juilliard.

I haven't heard of that school, but...

It's a small, little school in New York City. Right.

Okay. You had to commit.

When I decided to go to Juilliard, I was like,

"Oh, this is gonna be my profession."

Like, I knew I was gonna pursue acting in some capacity,

but going to Juilliard, I was like,

"Oh, this is what I'm going to pursue as a career."

Yeah. I had other interests.

I had interests in politics and nonprofit work,

which I was able to do.

At Juilliard? At J-- Yeah.

So, I started two arts-based outreach programs.

We bring down Juilliard students to work

with middle and high school students in my hometown.

And then we started another program

called Arts Inside Out, which brings American artists,

pairs them with South African artists,

and they work with kids with HIV and their moms in South Africa.

Wow, that's beautiful.

So, then you moved to L.A. Yes.

And you got involved with "Heathers: The Musical" and...

Yeah, so [laughs] I got a phone call to audition

for a musical in L.A. called "Heathers."

And I had never seen the movie, didn't know what it was,

had no idea that it had this big cult following.

And then did you start producing on that show?

I did.

So how'd you get involved with that?

Putting together a team, fundraising,

and getting people passionate

about a project that you're passionate about --

like, this is all stuff I've done. Like, "I can do this."

Yeah, I've done this in, like, the nonprofit world.

Yeah. And it'd be a lot of fun to, like,

find investors in a project and not donors, right?

Right. Other people's money. Other people's money.

OPM. Everybody learn this. OPM -- other people's money.

Never spend your own money

when you can spend other people's money.

Okay, so that was great.

Yeah, but we don't have much time, so...

You got to put Cooper back. And I'm gonna go work out...

And I'm coming with you. ...with you.

Let's go. [ Laughs ] Alright. Cool.

Why did you think I was Canadian?

From what I've learned so far,

and I can't believe we haven't met each other

until this moment, but you're a hustler.

Yeah, I've been... I got really good at side gigs.

Yeah. So when I...

So, why? Why is that?

Well, when I was in college,

I started cleaning apartments.

And so, when I got my first job,

I got cast in a play at the old Globe. Yep.

I brought in some of my classmates to take over for me

'cause they needed a side job, so I started a cleaning company.

You became a madame. I kind of did.

You became a cleaning madame.

It was called CG Cleaners.

What did it stand for? Cute Guy Cleaners.

Ah, yes! [ Laughs ]

Have to play to your strengths. Cute Guy Cleaners.

So good. So, we had some, like, handsome actors

and dancers going around cleaning apartments

and doing handyman work. Amazing.

And it was really fun, but then I went out to L.A.,

and I started building furniture out of necessity

'cause I couldn't afford furniture or...

Such a dream husband. You're like,

"I need a table, so I'm gonna build a table."

So I'm gonna build it.

So, yeah, we're gonna meet a friend of mine

who I actually met at a commercial audition.

I don't usually like to work out with people, but he...

One, he's jacked, and he's really, really fun

to work out with. Okay.


-This is my buddy Bri. -I want one, too!

-Yeah, get in there! -Alright!

We like to work out in between shows.

Usually, when I need some motivation...

Great. So, we don't have that much time, so let's go work out.

And you're gonna teach us. Perfect.

It's like a bodybuilder gym.

I can tell. It's kind of like

a carry-the-gallon-of-water- around-with-you kind of place.

-Yes. -You know what I mean?

Why did you think I was Canadian?

So, what do you like about working out

between your matinee and evening shows?

Honestly, most people, like, think I'm crazy,

but it gives me way more energy for the second show.

This is 10.

How many we doing? 12.

12? 11...

Ugh! Almost there.

It's that second act. 12.

Cruise. 12.

That wasn't so bad. No. See?

Not bad. A little warm-up.

Warm-up? Yeah!


-Whew! -You guys aren't playing.

No. This is how you get all swole like that.

That's how you get through that second show. Looking good.

Which, by the way -- you have to go do a second show right now.

I got to go. I'll see you later.

Bye, guys. See you.

Alright, Evan Todd. Uh-huh.

Favorite part of the show -- "60-Second Sandwich," "SSS."

Are you ready? I am ready.

One minute on the clock. You have to answer

as many questions as you can in the time given. Ooh!

What's, like, the max that someone's answered?

Uh..15, 16? Alright. I'm ready.

Okay. Here we go.


Instagram user katrinaeds1021 asks,

"How did you know you had to do theater?"

I was a gymnast, and then I wanted

to be in front of people. Hackstack wants to know,

"Ever tempted to walk out of the theater

with your costume on?" No.

Three -- Lyla Gene from Insta wants to know

what the most fascinating thing about theater is to you.

That you get to do it every night, over and over again.

Love that. Four -- elilovesbroadway says,

"'Bless you' is what you say when someone sneezes.

What do you say when someone coughs?"


Quinn Warden asked, "Does a massage between shows

make you feel better or too relaxed for your next show?"

Never done it, but I would like to.

Six -- when you see a show, do you like

to go in knowing about it or go in blind?

Blind. Seven -- best perk of your job.

Oh, my dresser.

Best advice you ever received?

Don't compare yourself to other people.

Worst advice?

Everything will just make sense one day.

20 seconds left. Guilty pleasure?


11 -- what surprised you most about being a Broadway star?

That everyone's just really sweet.

12 -- hardest thing about being on Broadway.

10 seconds left. The schedule. The schedule.

Do you shower after every show?

No! [ Laughs ]

14 -- biggest pet peeve.

Going up on my lines.

Favorite Carole King song.

"The Boy I Love."

[ Buzzer sounds ] Time's up! 15!

Did I get 15?! You got 15! That was incredible.

I'm tied? You're tied.

Ugh. That's very, very good.

I don't know who you are... We got to get you back to the show.

...that I'm tied with, but I'm coming for you. Come on. Let's go.

Okay. Yeah. Let's do it. [ Laughs ]


Alright, so, this was your Broadway debut? Yeah.

What was your journey in getting this role?

Kind of crazy.

I had never done a musical professionally until "Heathers."


And so I was in L.A., got cast in "Heathers,"

came out here, and then suddenly people were like,

"Oh, you do musicals." I was like, "Oh, sure, yeah."

Oh, this is always fun to point out.

So, why don't you stand on four?

-Okay. -And I'll stand on six.

People don't really know about this --

obviously, they can't see it --

but that in the theater, we have numbers.

So it starts on zero, which is center,

and then it goes all the way out -- two, four,

six, eight in both directions, and this is all the way to 16,

and that's how actors know where to be onstage.

Ours is a pretty intimate theater, so it's small.

Yeah, it's nice and small.

Like, when you actually look out,

it doesn't feel like this massive...

Not a bad seat in the house. No, it's really nice.

Have there been any really funny audience reactions?

Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

Like, audience is always yelling things out.

Today was really sweet.

I came out in the hospital bed,

and a little girl went, "Oh, no!"

Aw, that's so sweet.

I was like, "Oh, no, no one's gonna die."

Kids are the best. They have no filter.

It was very sweet. Yeah.

One of the coolest moments is when I'm on the couch

and when she starts playing

"Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow."

♪ Tonight, you're mine

♪ Completely

Like, the whole audience just gasps and...

Do they sing along?

Sometimes. Yeah.

Sometimes. My aunt actually asked me.

She's like, "Can I sing?" I was like, "No."

"No. Please don't."

Oh, I want to talk about the elephant --

I mean, the piano in the room,

which is the only prop onstage right now.

Yeah. Is it real? Is it not real?

Do you play it? Okay.

I feel like I'm gonna disappoint some people,

but this is theater. It's theater magic.

This is empty because it has to fly.

It has go off into the wings and actually go to the air.

Oh, right, and go up. Yeah, so it's empty.

So they took the guts out.

They took it all out, but they actually pump in...

There's speakers so that you can hear music

coming from the piano.

♪ Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum ♪

♪ Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum ♪

♪ Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum ♪

That's beautiful. It's original.

[ Laughs ] Is it? Yeah.

And what's crazy was when Carole King came.

Every year at this time,

the Broadway and theatrical community from coast to coast

joins together to raise money for an amazing organization

called Broadway Cares/ Equity Fights AIDS.

[ Cheers and applause ]

[ Crowd screaming ]

I've been working up to coming. I haven't seen this show.

This is my first night. -Wow!

[ Cheering continues ]

'Cause she came here and played onstage.

It was very cool, and there's a moment in the show

at the very end where you're, like,

at Carnegie Hall, "Introducing Carole King!"

and this slides out, and the real Carole King

was on the piano playing the music.

She's an amazing, amazing woman. Love that.

Yeah, she's incredible. I love Carole King.

Do you want to go downstairs? I'd love to.

Show you my dressing room? Oh, cool.

Let's go. Alright.

♪ Tonight, the light

And it's one of the only theaters that's subterranean.

Yeah, I was just gonna say.

So, like, this is under the stage.

Right. And it's completely silent.

And this is my spot.

It's my dressing room. [ Gasps ]

It's so nice! Thanks!

Oh, my gosh. Come on in.

I mean, why am I not surprised? This is so nice.

Yeah, no, it's pretty sweet.

So now you've made it, made your Broadway debut

in "Beautiful,"

and you've been Tony-nominated as a producer.

It's good. What is next for Evan Todd?

Oh, man.

I don't know, and I'm okay with that. Mm-hmm.

But what I would like to happen is,

I want to start producing...

Like I said, I've been a producer in terms of

bringing on financing to projects that already exist,

but I want to get behind a project

as a producer and really, like, develop it.

So you are open-minded,

but it sounds like you're gonna be a producer.

And perform, too, but... Well, I don't want to just...

I don't think anyone has to do just one thing, right?

If it's a project that I get cast in as an actor

that I believe in,

then I want to get behind it as a producer, or vice versa.

If it's a project that I believe in

that I want to make happen, I also want to be in it.

Yeah. Alright.

Well, I think they may not let me stay here during the show.

The dressers may kick me out.

Okay. That's fair.

But you do have to do a show. I do.

And I'm so grateful you spent time with me in between.

Oh, are we shaking hands? It was so nice to meet you, Evan Todd.

That's so formal. Give me a hug.

Alright, but actually get out, 'cause it takes me a little bit.

'Cause you got to get ready. Yeah.

Alright. This has been fun.

-See you later. -Alright. I'll see you.

-Bye, Evan. -Bye.


Why did you think I was Canadian?

Why did you think I was Canadian?

♪ Broadway sandwich

♪ I want that sandwich ♪ Hey, hey

-[ Chuckles ] -What?

We nailed that, and that's a song

that we can put on TV because we wrote it.

It's an original. Exactly.


♪ Broadway sandwich

Today, we're in a show that examines themes

of fate versus doubt

and fear versus love.

We're going way down...

to "Hadestown."

♪ All aboard!

♪ Way down, Hadestown, way down under the ground ♪

Scribner: "Hadestown" brilliantly intertwines

two mythic love stories --

young lovers Orpheus and Eurydice

and King Hades and his wife, Persephone.

It won the 2019 Tony Award for best musical.

Today, we're at the Walter Kerr Theatre,

one of the smallest theaters on Broadway.

It's a little cutie --

only 975 seats.

Today, we're meeting up with Ahmad Simmons.

Ahmad is in the ensemble.

In this show, they're called workers.

He also understudies two of the leading roles.

Before "Hadestown,"

he was in "Cats" and "Carousel" on Broadway.


There you are! Ahmad Simmons!

Hi, cutie!

Hi, how are you?

How was your matinee?

It was great. Nailed it?

Yeah. I've got to tell you.

♪ Broadway sandwich


The music is so beautiful. Thank you.

And you are so wonderful in it.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

Thanks for spending time with me between shows.

I'm so excited! So what's on the list for today?

Okay. Can we eat first?

I really have to eat. Yes, what's after that?

Um, I actually have a guitar lesson today.

Yeah, because you have to play guitar in the show.

For Orpheus, yeah. So I have a lesson.

Okay. But we'll do it together?

That's a lot to fit in before getting you right back here

for your second show. I know, yeah, yeah.

So we got to get out of here. Let's do it.

Let's go. Let's boogie.


Most people have a kind of more linear path.

Like, I know I want to be in musical theater. Oh, yeah.

I'm going to do this thing, go to school for that,

but you didn't have quite that story.

I was raised initially by my great aunt,

and she was the one who introduced me to everything.

She directed all the choirs at church,

and so I was that kid, you know, singing in the choir

since I was like 5 years old.

And so high school is where you started doing music,

like, reading music and dancing

and doing everything like that. Yeah, yeah.

My first show was, like, "How to Succeed."

"How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying,"

which is the best way to go into business.

And I was Bud Frump, and that was like the first time

I ever got to be on a stage and say lines and all that.

In college, I got a dance degree. Right.

You know, and they sort of send you out in the world

to, like, be in a concert dance company.

So because you didn't go to a conservatory for acting...

Yeah. ...or for musical theater,

do you feel like you're learning on the job?

And now you're doing "Fosse/Verdon."

You're on TV. Yeah.

So, there's a learning curve

on all of these different things.

Oh, absolutely.

Do you feel like you have to kind of

reinvent yourself every time, or...? Yes.

Yeah. I mean, this is my education.

Like, I feel like this is my, like, master's in acting and...

Because I didn't get to learn it in school

because I was concentrating on something else,

but I'm learning by watching them

and reading and studying now,

which, you know, can sort of feel like,

why am I -- like, what am I doing here?

Are you sure it's supposed to be me?

Oh, it's definitely supposed to be you.

You know what I mean? For sure.

You get a little bit of that, though,

that sort of, like, impostor syndrome.

Right. Now in "Hadestown"...

Yeah. ...the incredible Andre De Shields.

What is that like, to learn from him on stage every night?

He is pure class and grace. Yeah, yeah.


Every day, I thank my stars

that I get to be on stage with him and learn from him.

Now you understudy that role. Yeah.

And you understudy the... Orpheus.

...the romantic lead, Orpheus, played by Reeve Carney.

Yeah. Yeah, yes, totally different.

When people come in the theater,

they get an insert in their program.

They see that slip.

If you're on, and we know that they go, "Aw,"

because they've read reviews about a certain actor,

and they have an expectation. A lot of the times, they come to see them.

Of course. So how do you deal with that feeling?

It's more like, this is me.

This is what I have to offer,

and it's gonna be a totally different thing.

That's a great way to look at it.

And to play Orpheus,

that character has to play the guitar.

Yeah. Did you know guitar before?

Not one lick.

So, that's why we're going to a guitar lesson.

Yes. So you do this every week?

Yep. Alright.

Well, let's get out of here, so we can go play guitar.


So, you were in "Cats." Classic, not my favorite.

I love it, and I hate it at the same time.

You and everybody else, right? Uh-huh.

"Carousel," another classic.

Yeah. And now you're in "Hadestown,"

which is new, super-cool, and very contemporary.

Yeah, yeah.

So, how do you feel about, like,

having classic shows, contemporary shows?

♪ Broadway sandwich


You know, I think there's room for both, for sure.

Yeah. My taste --

I love creating new work, you know?

Like, I love to be in the start of a process... Right.

...and something that stretches me a little bit more,

like having to be a musician first

rather than a dancer first.

"Hadestown" offers a completely new look

at how people make theater.

It's sort of genre-bending, too... Yeah.

...which I think is great. And it's super music-first.


Alright. So, what are we doing?

Well, let's do some basic chords.

Okay. You start.

You said you knew a C chord? I know a C.

It's very hard to stretch my fingers that way,

but is that right? That's exactly right.

[ Discordant chord plays ]

That did not sound so wonderful.

So now try that exact same chord,

but don't play all the strings.

Start from right here, your fifth string,

and only play those strings going forward.

This one? Yep.

[ C-major chord plays ]

That sounds better. That sounds pretty nice, right?

Hey! Why don't you give that a try, Ahmad?

[ C-major chord plays ]


That's pretty nice, right?

[ C-variant chord plays ]

It has a more soulful sound.


[ Both vocalizing ]

♪ Broadway sandwich

I mean, you could play

a lot of songs with just those two chords.

Try putting them together. Sign a song, Ahmad.

♪ La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la ♪

Scribner: And one, two,

one, two, three, four.

♪ I love sandwiches

♪ I do

♪ I love sandwich, don't you? ♪

♪ I love, I love sandwiches ♪

♪ I do

♪ "Broadway Sandwiches" with you ♪

♪ "Broadway Sandwich" is a show ♪

♪ About all the places we go ♪

♪ After a matinee on a sunny two-show day ♪

♪ It's a sandwich ♪ Sandwich

♪ Hey, hey, hey

♪ A "Broadway Sandwich"

♪ Hey, hey, hey

♪ Broadway sandwich


[ Cheers and applause ]

What should we call ourselves?

The Sandwiches.

Obviously. Don't you think?

Yeah, just have to be The Sandwiches.

Broadway Sandwiches.

Alright, Ahmad. This is our "60-Second Sandwich."

Are you ready? I'm ready.

60 seconds on the clock.

Answer as many questions as you can in the time given.

Okay. Clock starting now.


From my mom. Hi, Mom!

"How is 'Hadestown' touching people?"

Beautiful music and a great story.

Love it. Facebook user Brian Lee.

Hey, Obi. "What's your fitness routine?"

Three times a week, full-body workout.

Work? Yeah.

Three, YouTuber Stephanie Krause,

"Funniest mess-up on stage?"

Oh, face-plant for sure. Oh, no. You okay?

Instagrammer Allie Eds wants to know,

"What job would you want if you weren't an actor?"

Director-choreographer, yeah.

Okay, five. Instagram's Britt Ville.

"What do you consider your big break,

and how did you get it?"

Ooh, "Fosse/Verdon," yeah. Okay. Hey.

Six, best thing about being on Broadway?

Sharing the art in the community.

Anything you'd change in your career?


Eight, have you ever kept a prop from a show,

and is there something you'll want to keep from "Hadestown"?

Well, I want one of the mugs...

Mug! ...that we use, yeah.

17 seconds. Do you have a hidden talent?


10, what do you geek out about?

Really talented people.

Favorite show on Broadway now besides "Hadestown"?


Salty or sweet? Sweet.

Does "Hadestown" cast have any preshow traditions?

Yeah, yeah, we breathe. Breathe.

14, what's your favorite thing to do on a day off?

Ugh, nothing.

Time is up! Nothing, perfect!

Well, speaking of nothing, you're about to do a whole lot

of the opposite of nothing. Something, I know, yeah, yeah.

Let's go get you to to your show.

Okay, let's go. Come on.



So how do you personally relate to the show

or any of these characters in the show?

Yeah, actually,

so I lost a father figure this past year, and...

I'm so sorry. It's okay.

I see him so much in this piece because we deal a lot

with doubt, self-doubt, and courage,

and one of the things he always taught me was,

you know, to fight for what you believe in.

Even though you may not feel like someone is following you,

how can you still take charge, you know,

and affect change when you feel like you're alone?

And so I see him at the end of this piece every show,

and I hear him in my head going,

"See? This is what I mean," you know,

"when you trust your art." Which moment in the show is that you see it?

So, it's when Orpheus is taking us up out of hell

and is told, "You can't look back," you know?

"If you look back, you lose it all," you know?

Can you stay focused and forward?

And look forward, right. You know? It's really beautiful.

What has it felt like being a part of a new show

that's getting critical acclaim, 14 Tony nominations?

Yeah. People are so into it.

You're changing people's lives. It's incredible.

It's happened so quickly but rightfully so.


I love riding the wave of that, that energy,

but it's also like, "This is my day job."

Like, I get to go out there and do what it is I love

and change someone's life with it.

Right. So what happens now?

You just get to get ready for your show?

Well, actually, we have a little bit

of a rehearsal before.

Before every show? Sort of like dance-fight call

because there's a part in the show

where we have to throw Orpheus

around a little bit, so we always...

So it's safety in case somebody else new is in, basically.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.


Here it is. Scribner: This is so cute.

Cute, right? Yeah, I love the wallpaper, too.

Yeah. It's like that distressed feel.

Kind of matches Rachel Hauck's set design.

Yeah, and we got some there.

That's great. We've got a little bar there.

Hi, guys, how's it going? Man: Good.

This is T. and John. You are amazing in the show.

Hey, I'm Garen. Nice to meet you, Garen.

Thank you for having us today. And T.

And I know T. Oliver.

[ Laughter ]

So did you know much about mythology

before you came to...

You know, I knew of Hades and Persephone

and the story of Orpheus and Eurydice,

but I didn't know it this well, you know.

Yeah. At all.

And it's sort of like things that come out of a history book

where you see them on stage, they... Come alive.

They become alive, and they feel like,

oh, that you put yourself in it. Yeah, yeah.

So I'm glad I'm really being introduced to it here, you know?

Right. With art and having to...

Earlier, we talked a little bit

about you feeling like you have impostor syndrome...

Oh, my gosh. It's terrible.

...which everybody successful feels. Yeah.

But, like, you've had to work harder,

and your path has not been so clear

and knowing that you were going to get to musical theater

and not doing TV and film and stuff,

and so what's next?

What's next for you?

I really want to make my own thing, you know?

Yeah. I want to continue to find

my own creative voice within the community here,

but it's funny, though. Right.

Like, even with the success of this and feeling like,

well, people would say, "Well, you're in a Broadway show.

What do you mean? You've made it."

It's like, yeah, I do feel that sense of accomplishment.

Yeah. I enjoy that, but, you know,

you're never satisfied, really, and so you work.

So, you never really make it?

You never really make it, in my mind, you know?

And I could just stay here all night and...

But you can't! I've got to get dressed!

Oh, man, is there an extra costume for me?

Can I just go on tonight? I'd love that.

We can find something. This has been fun, though.

Thank you so much for spending time with me. I'm so glad I got to do.

Bye, Ahmad. Thank you so much.

Take care. Have a good show, everybody!

Thanks for letting me visit.

Bye! Bye, bye, bye, bye! See you!

[ Both chuckle ]

♪ Broadway sandwich







♪ Broadway sandwich


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