Between The Covers

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Between The Covers - Stuart Woods

In this episode, author Stuart Woods talks to host Ann Bocock about his latest book "Sex, Lies, & Serious Money"

AIRED: November 25, 2016 | 0:26:20
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>> I'M ANN BOCOCK AND WELCOME TO "BETWEEN THE COVERS." STUART WOODS IS THE AWARD-WINNING AUTHOR AND NEW

YORK TIMES BEST-SELLING AUTHOR OF MORE THAN 60 NOVELS. MOST OF THEM FEATURING THE EVER SO CHARMING NEW YORK ATTORNEY,

STONE BARRINGTON. I HAVE BEEN HOOKED ON THESE BOOKS SINCE THE '90S. I'M TELLING YOU, THAT ANYONE WHO

HAS WRITTEN 60 BOOKS. § § §

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§ >> I AM ANN BOCOCK AND WELCOME TO "BETWEEN THE COVERS." STUART WOODS IS THE

AWARD-WINNING AUTHOR AND NEW YORK TIMES BEST-SELLING AUTHOR OF MORE THAN 60 NOVELS. MOST OF THEM FEATURING THE

EVER-SO-CHARMING NEW YORK ATTORNEY, STONE BARRINGTON. I'VE BEEN HOOKED ON THESE BOOKS SINCE THE '90S.

I'M TELLING YOU THAT ANYONE WHO HAS WRITTEN 60 BOOKS, YOU THINK PROBABLY HAS LITTLE TIME FOR ANYTHING ELSE TO DO.

>> 65. >> 65. BUT IN STUART WOODS' CASE HE IS AN AVID PILOT, HE IS A LICENSED

INSTRUMENTS PILOT. HE FLIES HIS OWN PLANE AND I AM SO PLEASED TO FIND OUT TODAY IF STONE BARRINGTON AND STUART

WOODS PERHAPS ARE THE SAME MAN. THE NEW BOOK SEX, LIES AND SERIOUS MONEY STUART WOODS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING

HERE. >> THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] >> SO WE WILL GET IT OUT OF THE

WAY YOU SAID YOU ARE NOT STONE BARRINGTON. >> I AM NOT. >> CAN I TELL YOU I'VE HAD A

CRUSH ON HIM FOR 25 PLUS YEARS? >> I'LL TELL HIM. >> OKAY. AND I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE.

THERE IS AN AUDIENCE HERE OF MOSTLY WOMEN, IS IT MOSTLY WOMEN WHEN YOU DO YOUR BOOK SIGNINGS? >> 50/50, I GUESS.

>> YOU STARTED OUT WITH, AND IT WASN'T STUART WOODS BUT THE FIRST BOOK WITH THE STONE BARRINGTON BUT THE FIRST BOOK

WAS CHIEFS. >> YES. >> AND IT REALLY WASN'T -- A BEST-SELLER THE DAY THAT YOU

STARTED. >> NO. >> YOU HAD A HARD TIME? >> IT NEVER MADE THE BEST-SELLER

LIST. IT SOLD A LOT OF PAPERBACKS, ABOUT 600,000 BECAUSE OF THE MINI-SERIES MADE FROM IT BUT

THEY ONLY PRINTED 20,000 COPIES OF THE HARD BACK SO IF YOU'VE GOT ONE HANG ON TO IT. SOME DAY YOU CAN AUCTION IT.

>> I'M ALWAYS FASCINATED WITH THE JOURNEY. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT CHIEFS FOR A MOMENT.

YOU WROTE THE BOOK. IT WAS A GREAT BOOK. DID YOU THINK, WOW, THIS ONE IS GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE?

YOU HAD A HARD TIME? >> I HOPED SO. IN FACT, MY PUBLISHERS LEARNED THAT THE NEW YORK TIMES HAD

PLANNED TO PUBLISH A MAJOR REVIEW IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES" BOOK REVIEW AND THEY DIDN'T. THERE WAS A MINI RECESSION AT

THE TIME, AD DOLLARS WERE CUT, PAGES SOLD WERE CUT AND THEY CUT MY REVIEW AND MY PUBLISHER WAS NEVER ABLE TO FIND OUT WHO WROTE

IT OR WHETHER IT WAS FAVORABLE OR UNFAVORABLE. WE NEVER KNEW. ANYBODY OUT THERE HAS A COPY I

WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT. >> GO CHECK THE BOOKSHELF. >> HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO WRITE THAT ONE, THE FIRST ONE?

>> IT TOOK EIGHT YEARS. I WASN'T WORKING EVERY DAY. I WASN'T WORKING EVERY YEAR, REALLY.

ABOUT 100 PAGES INTO IT I DISCOVERED SAILING, AND EVERYTHING WENT TO HELL AFTER THAT.

SO FIRST NOVELISTS ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR A WAY NOT TO FINISH THE NOVEL, AND I FOUND LOTS OF WAYS IN THOSE YEARS AND FINALLY

I TOOK SOME MONEY FOR IT. >> I HOPE IT WAS A LOT. >> A PUBLISHER OFFERED ME $7500 AND THEY ACTUALLY GAVE ME $2500

AND TO GET THE OTHER 5 I HAD TO FINISH THE BOOK SO I WORKED A LOT FASTER AFTER THAT. >> I GUESS YOU DID.

>> IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE LEARNED TO SPEED IT UP. RUMOR HAS IT YOU WRITE AN HOUR A DAY?

>> I DO. I USED TO WRITE FOUR HOURS A DAY TO WRITE A CHAPTER OF ABOUT FIVE PAGES, AND AS THE YEARS WENT BY

I FOUND MYSELF USING LESS THAN THAT TIME AND I WAS ONLY WORKING TWO OR THREE DAYS A WEEK, AND IN MY -- I HAD LEARNED THAT IF I

WROTE A NOVEL EVERY YEAR INSTEAD OF EVERY OTHER YEAR I WOULD BE PAID TWICE AS MUCH OR AT LEAST TWICE AS OFTEN WHICH WAS ALMOST

AS GOOD, AND THAT WAS A REVELATION AND AFTER I GOT SETTLED IN WITH THAT I SAID TO MY PUBLISHER I WOULD LIKE TO

WRITE TWO A YEAR AND HE SAID, WELL, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. HE SAID NOBODY -- EVERYBODY IN PUBLISHING KNOWS THAT YOU CAN'T

DO THAT BECAUSE YOUR READERS GET SICK OF YOU AND STOP BUYING YOUR BOOKS AND I SAID IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED TO STEPHEN KING AND

DANIELLE STEEL AND HE SAID OH, THOSE ARE ALL EXCEPTIONS SO I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE TOLD HIM I WAS AN EXCEPTION BUT INSTEAD I

TOLD MY AGENT TO FIND ME A NEW PUBLISHER AND HE PUT ME TOGETHER WITH PUTNAM WHO WAS HAPPY TO PUBLISH TWO A YEAR AND ON MY

SCHEDULE WHICH WAS SPRING AND AUTUMN BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE GOOD FLYING MONTHS AND I DON'T LIKE TO FLY IN THUNDERSTORMS OR

SNOWSTORMS. >> I AM WITH YOU ON THAT. GOING BACK TO THE WRITING AN HOUR A DAY.

YOU HAVE TO BE THE ENVY OF ALL OF YOUR AUTHOR FRIENDS. >> WELL, I THINK MOST OF THEM HATE MY GUTS, AND I MAKE IT A

POINT TO SEND THEM EACH BOOK, TOO, BECAUSE THEY TEND TO WRITE A BOOK EVERY TWO OR THREE YEARS, YOU KNOW, AND IT DRIVES THEM

CRAZY. >> I TALK TO A LOT OF AUTHORS AND THEY WILL STRUGGLE OVER A SENTENCE OR IS THE COMMA IN THE

RIGHT PLACE AND HERE YOU ARE. >> THAT'S JUST AN EXCUSE FOR NOT FINISHING THE BOOK. I WORKED IN ADVERTISING FOR TEN

YEARS, AND I LEARNED THE MOST VALUABLE SKILL A WRITER CAN HAVE WHICH IS TO PLANT YOUR BACK SIDE IN A CHAIR AND WRITE A THOUSAND

WORDS WHETHER YOU FEEL LIKE IT OR NOT. AND UNTIL YOU CAN DO THAT, YOU CAN'T KEEP ANY KIND OF SCHEDULE

OR PLAN YOUR LIFE BECAUSE YOU WON'T KNOW WHEN THE NEXT CHECK IS COMING. >> ADVERTISING REALLY DID HELP

YOU. >> IT DID. >> IN THIS? >> I ALSO LEARNED I DID NOT LIKE

BEING EDITED AND I SHOULD DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. >> THAT'S HARD MAYBE NOT NOW AFTER 65 BOOKS.

>> I WRITE A CHAPTER A SITTING, AND THAT'S ABOUT FIVE PAGES. THE NEXT DAY I REREAD THAT AND MAKE SMALL CORRECTIONS AND THAT

PROPELS ME INTO THE NEXT CHAPTER AND I GO ON LIKE THAT UNTIL I GET ABOUT 50 CHAIRS -- CHAPTERS INTO IT AND THEN I START LOOKING

FOR A WAY OUT OF THE CORNER I PAINTED MYSELF INTO, AND SO FAR I'VE ALWAYS FOUND A WAY OUT. >> YOU TALKED ABOUT ADVERTISING.

IN MY MIND, I AM HOPING THIS WAS THE ERA OF THE MAD MEN? >> IN THE '60S IT WAS THE GOLDEN ERA OF AD WRITING AND I HAD A

LOT OF FUN DOING THAT. >> DOES ANYBODY GET ANYTHING ACCOMPLISHED WITH A TWO MARTINI LUNCH?

>> I USED TO WORK FOR A GUY WHO HAD THREE EVERY DAY, AND HE -- I LEARNED TO GO TO HIM WITH MY COPY BEFORE LUNCH AND NOT AFTER

LUNCH. >> I DO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS OR SO WITH STONE BARRINGTON.

DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE SO PROLIFIC BECAUSE YOU REALLY KNOW THIS GUY NOW? I KNOW HE DOESN'T WRITE HIMSELF.

>> WELL, CERTAINLY IT HELPS TO KNOW YOUR CHARACTERS VERY WELL. ON THE OTHER HAND WHEN YOU -- THIS IS THE 39TH STONE BOOK AND

IT GETS HARDER AND HARDER TO THINK OF THINGS FOR HIM TO DO. >> HE SEEMS TO BE DOING A LOT IN THIS PARTICULAR ONE AND THE

DIALOGUE. I WILL SAY THAT I THINK YOU ARE A MASTER AT DIALOGUE. >> THANK YOU.

THAT'S WHAT I ENJOY MOST ABOUT IT. IT IS ESPECIALLY GRATIFYING BECAUSE I GET TO CARRY BOTH

SIDES OF THE CONVERSATION. >> I WISH I COULD DO THAT IN REAL LIFE. >> SORT OF LIKE BEING AN ACTOR

AND PLAYING ALL OF THE PARTS AND ALSO DIRECTING IT. >> BUT YOU'VE READ BOOKS WHERE -- YOU KNOW IT IS FORCED.

AUTHORS HAVE TO MAKE A POINT SO THEY ARE TRYING TO DO IT THROUGH CONVERSATION, BUT I KNOW HIM. AND I GUESS ALL OF YOUR --

>> THAT'S HOW WE LEARN ABOUT PEOPLE THAT WE MEET IS BY TALKING TO THEM AND LISTENING TO THEM.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT MY BOOKS ARE SO HEAVY ON DIALOGUE AND SHORT ON DESCRIPTION.

>> AND THE CHARACTER HIMSELF, WHAT IS NOT TO LIKE? I MEAN HE IS GORGEOUS AND HE IS RICH AND HE FLIES HIS OWN PLANE

AND HE ALSO TAKES EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO ENJOY WOMEN WHEN HE CAN. SO THERE IS NOTHING REALLY WRONG

WITH HIM. >> WELL, HE GETS DUMPED A LOT BY WOMEN, HE DOES. HE GETS HIT OVER THE HEAD EVERY

NOW AND THEN. THAT'S NOT GOOD. PEOPLE BLOW UP HIS AIRPLANE AND HIS CARS AND SO IT IS A LITTLE

DODGY BEING STONE. >> YOU MAY NOT BE STONE BARRINGTON BUT I BELIEVE YOU FLY THE SAME AIRPLANE?

>> WELL, WE DID FLY THE SAME AIRPLANE UNTIL I EXPLODED HIS AIRPLANE SO NOW HE IS ONE STEP AHEAD OF ME.

>> YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CATCH UP? >> HE IS ONE STEP BIGGER. >> I THOUGHT ABOUT DOING THAT

BUT I CAME TO MY SENSES BEFORE I DID ANYTHING SERIOUS. >> AND WHERE DO YOU GO? I MEAN ARE YOU GOING ACROSS

COUNTRY OR -- >> I FLY -- I DO TWO BOOK TOURS A YEAR COAST TO COAST. I DO THOSE.

MY WIFE ALSO FLIES. SHE IS MY COPILOT. >> CONGRATULATIONS YOU GOT MARRIED.

>> YESTERDAY I SAT IN THE BACK AND READ MY BOOK WHILE SHE FLEW ME DOWN HERE FROM ATLANTA. >> SMART TO MARRY SOMEONE LIKE

THAT. >> IN 20 MONTHS SHE WENT FROM NEVER HAVING FLOWN AN AIRPLANE TO BEING QUALIFIED IN A JET

WHICH IS VERY UNUSUAL. >> SHE IS ONE SMART WOMAN. >> SHE IS. >> TELL ME ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IN

THE BOOK THERE IS A PART WHERE THE YOUNG MAN WANTS TO BECOME A PILOT, AND HE -- IS IT IN THE MIDWEST?

>> WICHITA. >> WHERE THE FLIGHT SCHOOL IS. WHAT IS THAT LIKE? >> FLIGHT SAFETY.

IT IS HORRIBLE. YOU ARE FLYING A SIMULATOR NOT LIKE FLYING THE AIRPLANE BUT LIKE PARTICIPATING IN A GIANT

COMPUTER GAME, AND I FIND IT MORE DIFFICULT THAN FLYING THE AIRPLANE. >> WHY?

>> BECAUSE IT DOESN'T RESPOND IN QUITE THE SAME WAY THE AIRPLANE DOES. THE AIRPLANE, IT IS MUCH MORE

PREDICTABLE FROM MY POINT OF VIEW. >> HE WAS THERE 16 DAYS? >> YES, SO THE M-2, THE AIRPLANE

THAT I HAVE, THE FIRST INSTRUCTION IS 16 DAYS. YOU HAVE TO GET TYPE RATED IN THE AIRPLANE.

>> SEEMS INTENSE. >> IT IS. >> IN A SIMULATOR AND THEN DO YOU FEEL CONFIDENT AFTER THAT,

THAT I CAN TAKE THIS PLANE UP? >> YES. >> OKAY. IT DOES MAKE GOING ON BOOK TOUR

EASIER, DOESN'T IT? >> CERTAINLY. >> IF I HAD TO FLY THE AIRLINES I WOULDN'T BE DOING BOOK TOURS.

>> I DON'T BLAME YOU. THE OTHER THING ABOUT YOU AND STONE BARRINGTON IS THAT YOU DO LIVE IN SOME REALLY COOL PLACES

>> WHEN YOU WORK IS PORTABLE YOU CAN LIVE ANYWHERE YOU LIKE. >> YOU CAN LIVE ANYWHERE. SO I KNOW THAT HIS -- OKAY, HIS

PLACE IN NEW YORK IS LIKE MY DREAM WITH THAT LIBRARY AND ALL OF THE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT HE HAS.

BUT YOU ALSO LIVE IN MAINE. >> I DO, IN THE SUMMER. >> MOUNT DESSERT? >> MOUNT DESSERT ISLAND.

>> AND IN FLORIDA? >> YES. AND SANTA FE. >> WHAT COULD BE BETTER?

>> NOTHING. >> YOU HIT THE WEATHER. DO YOU TRAVEL ACCORDING TO WHEN IT IS COLD SOMEWHERE?

>> I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR 70 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT. >> THERE YOU GO. WE'RE ALMOST THERE.

ANOTHER MONTH OR TWO HERE WE WILL BE THERE. YOU HAVE ALWAYS HAD INTERESTING WOMEN IN HERE AS WELL.

AND ONE OF MY FAVORITES IS HOLLY, AND SHE SHOWS UP, BUT I WANT -- WHAT I FIND INTERESTING SOME OF YOUR CHARACTERS TRAVEL

FROM BOOK TO BOOK. >> YES, ALL OF THEM DO. WHEN MY PUBLISHER ASKED ME TO WRITE THREE AND THEN FOUR BOOKS

A YEAR HE SPECIFIED HE WANTED THEM ALL TO BE STONE BARRINGTON BOOKS AND I TOOK THAT TO MEAN THAT HE WANTED THE WORDS A STONE

BARRINGTON NOVEL TO APPEAR ON THE COVER AND THAT INSIDE THE COVER I COULD BRING IN AS MANY OF MY OLD CHARACTERS AS I LIKE.

>> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR BOOK FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE IT STARTS WITH A PROBLEM.

THIS PRETTY MUCH HAPPENS ON PAGE 1 SO I CAN'T GO THERE, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO TELL THE AUDIENCE READ IT, YOU WILL KNOW WHAT I'M

TALKING ABOUT. >> THAT'S THE IDEA. >> THERE IS ONLY ONE THING THAT I WILL SAY AND REALLY NOT GIVING

IT AWAY BUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS WHERE YOU DID NOT REMAIN ANONYMOUS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA WITH WHAT HAS HAPPENED

TO THIS PERSON. >> YES. >> AND THAT THREW ME FOR A LOOP BECAUSE THEN I HAD TO CHANGE MY

DREAMS AND HOPES. >> IT IS AMAZING WHAT YOU CAN LEARN ON GOOGLE. >> DO YOU GOOGLE WHEN YOU

RESEARCH? >> ABSOLUTELY. IT HAS REPLACED TRAVELING TO RESEARCH.

YOU GET WONDERFUL THINGS FROM GOOGLE. I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE WHEN I WAS WRITING A BOOK SET IN WORLD

WAR II, AND I KNEW THAT ARTI SHAW, THE BAND LEADER, HAD FORMED A BAND IN THE COAST GUARD, FORMED A BAND AND THEN

WAS TRAVELING AND I THOUGHT I WOULD TRY TO INCLUDE THAT AND I FOUND THIS WONDERFUL STORY ABOUT ARTI SHAW BEING ON THE AIRCRAFT

CARRIER SARATOGA AND THEY HAVE A MAIN DECK WHERE THE AIRPLANES ARE AND THEN THE HANGAR DECK DOWN BELOW WHERE THEY STORE THE

AIRPLANES AND THEY HAD 3,000 SAILORS DOWN ON THE HANGAR DECK AND THEY PUT THE BAND ON THE MAIN DECK AND THEY STARTED TO

PLAY AND THEY LOWERED THE ELEVATOR INTO THE HANGAR DECK AND 3,000 SAILORS WENT NUTS AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT SCENE

AND I INCLUDED IT IN THE BOOK AND IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. ALL BECAUSE OF GOOGLE. >> HEY, YOU KNOW, WE USE GOOGLE

ALL DAY LONG. I WONDER ABOUT -- I'M GOING TO AND THIS IS NOT GIVING ANYTHING AWAY, BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK

ABOUT THE PAPARAZZI? >> WELL, I DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM. THERE ARE NO GANGS OF TEENAGE

GIRLS WAITING OUTSIDE MY DOOR. I'VE HAD MY PICTURE TAKEN MORE TIMES AT THIS TELEVISION STATION.

>> TODAY? >> THAN I HAVE IN THE LAST YEAR, YES. >> I WOULD THINK BECAUSE THERE

IS A PART IN HERE WHERE THE PAPARAZZI COMES INTO PLAY AND FOR CELEBRITIES, THERE IS THAT BALANCE OF FAME AND PRIVACY.

>> THE PRICE THEY PAY. AND SOME OF THEM PAY IT VERY GRUDGINGLY. >> EXACTLY.

BUT IT IS, AS YOU SAID, IT IS THE PRICE THEY PAY. IN YOUR BOOK, A PERSON HAS TO HIRE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU

WOULD CALL HER. A -- HER NAME -- >> A PUBLICIST. >> SHE SEEMS TO DO A WHOLE LOT

MORE. >> SOMETIMES HER JOB IS TO PREVENT ANY PUBLICITY FROM HAPPENING.

>> AND I ASSUME THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE PAID VERY WELL TO HANDLE THAT? >> I SHOULD THINK SO.

>> DID YOU MODEL THAT CHARACTER AFTER ANYONE IN PARTICULAR? >> NO, NO, SHE WAS JUST AN AMALGAM OF THESE FOLKS.

I HAVE A PUBLISHER IN MY PUBLISHING HOUSE AND SHE SITS AT A DESK AND ARRANGES THE DETAILS OF TRIPS LIKE THIS AND IF FOR

ANY REASON SOMEONE WANTS TO INTERVIEW ME THEY CONTACT HER BUT THEN THERE ARE OTHER FREELANCE PEOPLE WHO ARE THEIR

OWN BOSSES WHO HAVE INDEPENDENT PUBLICITY OFFICES AND EMPLOY SEVERAL ASSISTANTS, AND THEY DEAL WITH A MAJOR FILM STARS AND

PEOPLE LIKE THAT INSTEAD OF JUST WRITERS WHO ARE NOT REALLY VERY FAMOUS. >> SHE WAS A TERRIFIC CHARACTER

AND I LOVED WHAT SHE DID AND I AM ASSUMING THAT THE THINGS THAT SHE CREATED TO MAKE THINGS APPEAR WHAT THEY WERE NOT I'M

SURE THAT HAPPENS. >> IT DOES. SHE STAGED THE LIVING ROOM AS A BRAND NEW HOUSE, BROUGHT FLOWERS

IN AND REARRANGED THE FURNITURE, TOLD THE PRESS WHAT QUESTIONS THEY COULD ASK AND WHAT COULDN'T ASK AND GAVE THEM ALL A DRINK

BEFOREHAND TO MAKE THEM HAPPY. >> THAT TENDS TO HELP. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT HAPPENED, A PHOTO HAD BEEN TAKEN

AND IT COULD HAVE DONE A WHOLE LOT OF DAMAGE AND SHE WAS WORTH EVERY PENNY IN FIXING THAT PARTICULAR THING.

YOU KNOW, WE LIVE IN A WORLD NOW EVERYONE HAS A CAMERA. YOU HAVE A CAMERA ON YOUR CELL PHONE.

THERE REALLY ISN'T PRIVACY. DO YOU FEEL LIKE AN AUTHOR THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE POLITICAL STATEMENTS IN BOOKS?

>> OH, I DO. >> I KNOW. AND DO YOU 0 HE- >> AND IT MAKES SOME OF MY

READERS VERY ANGRY. >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION. >> I'VE LEARNED THE VERY MENTION OF ANYBODY FROM MSNBC LIKE CHRIS

MATTHEWS CAN SET OFF A DETONATION AMONG CERTAIN READERS. >> ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT THAT?

>> NO. >> YOU WANT TO SELL AS MANY BOOKS AS YOU CERTAINLY CAN. >> NOT IN THE LEAST.

>> PART OF THIS BOOK IS IN SANTA FE, WHICH I THINK IS JUST A REMARKABLE PLACE. I LOVE IT.

I LOVE THE ART GALLERIES. I LOVE CANYON ROAD THAT HAS ALL OF THE WONDERFUL PLACES. I LIKE THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE

HUMIDITY AND THE COLORS. YOU SPEND HOW MUCH TIME THERE? >> SPRING AND AUTUMN. >> OH, WHAT COULD BE BETTER?

THAT'S GETTING A LITTLE CHILLY AT NIGHT? >> TOWARD THE END OF AUTUMN START TO GET A LITTLE SNOW AND

IF YOU SKI THERE IS AN EXCELLENT SKI IN SANTA FE. >> AND IN THE NEW YORK SETTINGS, THE OLDER BOOKS HAD ELAINE'S.

>> YES. >> PLEASE TALK ABOUT ELAINE'S. >> ELAINE WAS REMARKABLE. >> ELAINE KAUFMAN.

>> ELAINE DIED SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO, BUT I WILL TELL YOU A COUPLE OF STORIES WHICH WILL TELL YOU A LOT OF THEM.

ONE OF THEM WAS TOLD TO ME BY BILL BRATTON OUR POLICE COMMISSIONER TWICE IN NEW YORK. THE FIRST TIME HE WAS FIRED BY

RUDY GUILIANI WAS BILL WAS GETTING TOO MUCH GOOD PUBLICITY AND HE WANTED IT FOR HIMSELF. TO THIS DAY YOU WILL HEAR HIM ON

TELEVISION TALKING ABOUT HOW HE REDUCED CRIME SO SHARPLY. WELL, BILL BRATTON REDUCED IT SHARPLY.

BILL SAID ON THE DAY HE LEFT THAT GUILIANI CAME BY AND GAVE HIM THE KEY TO THE CITY WHICH HE THOUGHT WAS ODD AND HE AND HIS

WIFE WERE HAVING DINNER AT ELAINE'S AND THE BOX WAS ON TABLE AND ELAINE LOVED TO TABLE HOP AND SHE SAID WHAT'S IN THE

BOX AND HE SAID THAT'S THE KEY TO THE CITY, GUILIANI GAVE IT TO ME. SHE PICKED IT UP AND LOOKED AT

IT AND SAID I'LL BET YOU THE SON OF A BITCH HAS ALREADY CHANGED THE LOCKS. AND ON ANOTHER OCCASION SHE USED

TO BE OPEN AT LUNCH BUT IT DIDN'T WORK OUT VERY WELL IT ONLY LASTED A FEW WEEKS BUT THE DIRECTOR MIKE NICHOLLS BROUGHT

JACK NICHOLSON IN FOR LUNCH AND HE SAID YOU'RE A LITTLE LIGHT ON CUSTOMERS HERE, AREN'T YOU? SHE SAID HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO

ONE OF OUR MOVIES IN THE AFTERNOON? >> WHAT MADE IT SUCH A HAVEN FOR ESPECIALLY WRITERS?

>> SHE LIKED WRITERS. AND SHE GAVE WRITERS THE BEST TABLES. NOBODY DOES THAT EXCEPT ELAINE

DID. AND THE FIRST NIGHT SHE WAS OPEN A GROUP OF POOR WRITERS CAME IN, I KNEW ONE OF THEM AND THEY

DISCOVERED TO THEIR DELIGHT THAT SHE WAS WILLING TO GIVE THEM CREDIT, AND FOR GOOD TABLES SO THEY TOLD ALL OF THEIR FRIENDS

AND PRETTY SOON IT WAS FULL OF WRITERS AND THE WRITERS TOLD THEIR ACTOR AND PRODUCER FRIENDS AND IT BECAME THE SHOW BUSINESS

HANG-OUT AS WELL. BUT I'VE OFTEN SAID THAT ELAINE'S WAS THE CLUB WHERE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE

ALLOWED TO COME AND PAY TO WATCH THE MEMBERS EAT AND THE MEMBERS LIKE THAT. >> IS THERE ANY PLACE IN NEW

YORK NOW LIKE ELAINE'S? >> NO, AND THERE WON'T BE BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY ONE ELAINE AND SHE IS GONE NOW AND

EVERYTHING EVOLVED AROUND HER PRESENCE AND HER PERSONALITY. >> DID SHE ENJOY SEEING HERSELF IN HER YOUR BOOK?

>> SHE LOVED IT. SHE SOUNDS LIKE I MAKE HER SOUND IN THE BOOK. >> YOU ARE ORIGINALLY FROM A

SMALL TOWN IN GEORGIA. AS A SOUTHERN GIRL I AM PARTIAL TO SOUTHERN WRITERS BUT YOU DON'T WRITE THAT.

YOU DON'T HAVE THE SOUTHERN ANGST OF LIVING IN A SMALL TOWN. YOU REALLY -- >> I DID THAT IN MY EARLIER

BOOKS I WAS WRITING FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE AND MORE RECENT EXPERIENCES AND GRASS ROOTS WERE SET THERE AND HE SAID OTHER

BOOKS HAVE BEEN SET THERE AS WELL BUT I TEND TO WRITE ABOUT PLACES WHERE I LIVE NOW OR LIVE NEAR OR VISIT AND THAT KIND OF

THING. >> GROWING UP IN A SMALL SOUTHERN TOWN, WERE YOU A VERACIOUS READER?

WERE YOU A STORY-TELLER? WHO GOT YOUR INTEREST? >> MY MOTHER TAUGHT ME TO READ A YEAR BEFORE I WENT TO SCHOOL AND

I THINK THAT'S WHY I AM A WRITER TODAY BECAUSE I BECAME A VERACIOUS READER AS A CHILD. SHE PUT ME IN THE JUNIOR

LITERACY GUILD AND I READ A HORSE AND OR DOG STORY EVERY MONTH AND THEN WHEN I RAN OUT OF THOSE I STARTED READING HER

BOOKS AND IT MADE ME A WRITER, I THINK. >> BUT YOU LEFT GEORGIA. DID YOU EVER GO BACK, LOOK BACK

>> PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN SMALL TOWNS RARELY GO BACK. I GO BACK TWICE A YEAR AND SIGN BOOKS.

EVEN THOUGH ALL OF MY FAMILY ARE NOW GONE, AND I STILL LIKE GOING BACK TO THE TOWN. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL LITTLE PLACE.

>> WHAT TOWN WAS IT? >> MANCHESTER CALLED DELANEAUX IN THE BOOKS YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THERE ARE A LOT OF

PEOPLE FROM DELANEAUX IN MY BOOKS. >> THERE ARE. DO YOU READ FICTION?

>> NO, I READ MOSTLY HISTORY AND BIOGRAPHY AND I DON'T READ MY ONLY GENRE OF FICTION. I'M VERY IMPRESSIONABLE AS A

WRITER AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A HORRIBLE THING TO EVEN INADVERTENTLY TAKE SOMEBODY ELSE'S IDEA AND PUT IT IN YOUR

OWN BOOK AND EVEN WORSE TO GET CAUGHT DOING IT SO I DON'T DO THAT. >> IT WOULD PROBABLY DRIVE YOU

CRAZY THINKING OH, I WOULD HAVE DONE IT DIFFERENTLY. I WOULD THINK IT WOULD NOT BE THAT ENJOYABLE TO READ?

>> WELL, I'M A SUCKER FOR A GOOD BOOK. I LOVE READING ELMORE LEONARD, DEVON HUNTER BUT I JUST HAD TO

STOP DOING THAT. >> WHEN CHIEFS WAS MADE INTO A MINI SERIES, I BELIEVE IT WAS CHARLTON HESTON?

>> RIGHT. >> WERE YOU THERE, WERE YOU ONSET? >> I WAS.

I EVEN PLAYED A SMALL ROLE IN PART 2 I THINK. I HAD A SCENE ABOUT THREE MINUTES LONG WITH THE ACTOR

BILLY D. WILLIAMS WHO WAS KNOWN AS THE BLACK CLARK GABLE A TERRIFIC ACTOR, PUT ON THE DAY WE SHOT THIS SCENE THE SCENE WAS

DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE TWO OF US AND HE COULD NOT GET A SENTENCE OUT WITHOUT SCREWING IT UP AND HE WAS STRUGGLING WITH IT AND

WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE TOOK A TEN-MINUTE BREAK HE WOULD SIT THERE IN FRONT OF MY DESK AND ASK ME TO READ WITH HIM AND DO

THESE THINGS. SO I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THIS ACTING THING ISN'T SO BAD. HE WAS THE BIG MOVIE STAR WHO

CAN'T GET A LINE OUT AND I'M PERFECT, YOU KNOW. SO THEN I SAW IT ON THE SCREEN AND BILLY D LOOKED WONDERFUL AND

I LOOKED LIKE AN IDIOT AND I THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE THERE IS SOMETHING TO THIS ACTING THING AFTER ALL.

>> HOW WAS CHARLTON HESTON? >> A LOVELY MAN. WE BECAME QUITE GOOD FRIENDS. WE SAW A LOT OF EACH OTHER WHEN

WE WERE IN THE SAME CITIES AND I ENJOYED HIS COMPANY. >> THE OTHER BOOKS, DID YOU -- IS IT SOMETHING YOU WANT?

DO YOU WANT THEM TO BE ON FILM? ARE THEY BETTER BEING IN PRINT? HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? >> HOLLYWOOD IS A STRANGE PLACE.

I'VE HAD TWO MINI SERIES MADE AND I FEEL LIKE I'VE HAD EIGHT OR NINE NOVELS OPTIONED FOR THE MOVIES OR TV BUT ONLY TWO OF

THEM HAVE GOTTEN MADE. SO THERE IS NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT THAT SO I DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

>> JUST KEEP WRITING. SO THREE BOOKS A YEAR TO ME IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. >> FOUR.

>> WHERE WAS I, FOUR, THAT'S EVEN I CAN'T EVEN SAY. SO I WAS GOING TO ASK WHAT YOU DO BETWEEN BOOKS BUT THERE CAN'T

BE MUCH. >> ANYTHING I LIKE. IT IS WONDERFUL. >> TRAVEL?

>> I READ A LOT, I TRAVEL, I WATCH OLD MOVIES ON TELEVISION. MY FAVORITE PIECE OF EXERCISE EQUIPMENT IS A RECLINING CHAIR.

>> OH, I LOVE IT. >> AND STONE BARRINGTON HAS BOB. >> YES. >> HIS LABRADOR AND YOU HAVE A

BOB? >> I HAVE FRED. I'M ON THE FOURTH FRED NOW, THE FOURTH LAB.

THEY ARE SUCH WONDERFUL DOGS AND THEY ARE SO MUCH ALIKE THAT IT IS LIKE HAVING THE SAME DOG FOR 40 YEARS.

IT IS WONDERFUL. >> AN YOU NAMED THEM ALL FRED? >> YES, IT IS MUCH EASIER THAT WAY.

>> FRED FLIES, TOO? >> HE DOES. HE IS A GOOD CREW. >> I LOVE IT.

LABRADORS ARE GOOD BECAUSE -- >> THEY ARE SWEET, THEY ARE CHARMING, THEY HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR AND THEY ARE GREAT FUN.

>> WONDERFUL. SO HE IS IN THE BACK OF THE PLANE? >> SLEEPING USUALLY, YES.

WHEN HE HEARS THE LANDING GEAR COME DOWN HE WAKES UP. >> OH, WHAT A SWEETHEART. WHEN HE HEARS THE LANDING GEAR.

YOU'VE GOT TO LOVE IT. I KNEW YOU LOVED DOGS BECAUSE THE WAY YOU WRITE ABOUT DOGS MAKES ME KNOW THAT YOU ARE A DOG

PERSON. THE LATEST BOOK BY STUART WOODS IS SEX, LIES AND SERIOUS MONEY. IT IS SUSPENSEFUL AND

ENTERTAINING. >> AND IN YOUR LOCAL BOOK STORE RIGHT NOW AND CHRISTMAS IS COMING SO BUY SEVERAL COPIES.

>> AND READ IT NOW BECAUSE THE NEW ONE WILL BE COMING OUT? >> THE NEXT ONE COMES OUT IN JANUARY.

>> STUART WOODS, IT HAS BEEN SUCH A PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU HERE. >> THANK YOU.

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