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S5 E14 | FULL EPISODE

What Matters Most

Marina Benjamin writes to parse the questions that loom largest in her life. It’s a self-examination, yes. But never self-obsession.
Stefan Sagmeister has spent the past 40-odd years demonstrating how graphic design can make even the most abstract ideas tangible.
Donald Nally, conductor of the groundbreaking chamber choir, The Crossing, wants audiences to listen, and think.

AIRED: January 10, 2020 | 0:26:50
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