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Rufus Wainwright: Learning from Yearning

The singer-songwriter Rufus Wainwright has done things his way, struggling, at times, with himself and the world. Yet, he says, these rough periods haven’t made him tough.

AIRED: February 12, 2021 | 0:16:52
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(ethereal music)

(strings music)

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♪ Cigarettes and chocolate milk ♪

♪ These are just a couple of my cravings ♪

Rufus Wainwright loves life

and he expresses that love through intimate

and frank examinations of his own experiences.

Wainwright snack for meticulous self-reflection

on total candor, a field, three decades of songwriting.

He's played sold out stadium tours.

And Elton John wants to describe him

as the greatest songwriter on the planet.

While behind closed doors,

he wrestled with his inner demons.

Often teetering on the edge of collapse.

But he hasn't collapsed.

And today, he's as surprised

as anyone to see just how well it's all turned out.

- I'm doing very good job.

(laughs)

I'm doing very good job.

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- [Jim] In retrospect, it almost seems like a life in music

was inevitable for Rufus Wainwright.

He and his sister, Martha were raised by two of the 1970s,

most well-respected folk musicians,

Loudon Wainwright the third,

and Kate McGarrigle.

Songwriting was a way of life for his parents.

And no topic was off limits.

One day's fight could become next day's lyrics.

And the wider musical world was never far away.

Loudon and Kate were friends with at the time

other up and coming musicians

like Linda Ronstadt and Bruce Springsteen.

- So I kind of had this sense of

just the workings and the kind of

just the, almost the monotony

of the business.

In a good way.

It was very demystified for me growing up.

And also, incredibly inspiring,

there were songs written about me

and I could also, led people backstage at the age of four.

(laughs)

It was a great upbringing.

- [Jim] But music wasn't enough

to keep Wainwright's parents together.

When Rufus was just three years old,

they separated.

But their short-lived relationship

had a lasting impact on him.

While they were together,

even something as intimate as watching him breastfeed

was fonder for his father's music.

But these sort of potentially scarring experiences

didn't stop Wainwright

from writing his own confessional music.

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If anything,

they taught him to draw out the lyrical substance

from anything and everything around him.

♪ The boys and girls of Millbrook ♪

♪ Are on the train from New York ♪

♪ Wearing new hats

♪ Deep in the heart of Dutchess County, bounty ♪

- I just had this mechanism instilled within me.

I think my parents,

to just make, write the best songs you can.

Make the most interesting music possible.

Go for the artistic jugular

above all else.

♪ I eat dinner at the kitchen table ♪

♪ By the light that switches on ♪

♪ I eat leftovers with mashed potatoes ♪

♪ No more candlelight

♪ No more romance

♪ No more small-talk

♪ When the hunger's gone

I was a late teenager or in my early twenties

when they were writing these amazing songs about,

like my mother wrote, "I Eat Dinner",

about just being a single mom

and having no romantic life.

And at that time,

and which is one of the masterpieces of that--

- How did that affect you,

'cause your mom mourned her relationship with your father

for a long time.

For probably longer than she was with him.

- Yes. Oh Yes.

- And you were growing up in that atmosphere.

- Yeah.

My mother was forever dedicated to my father

and not not the healthiest of ways.

She would definitely suffered from guilt.

From being divorced.

There was, I think for her generation,

even though everything was all groovy in the '70s,

and we were all over this and over that.

There was still a lot of religious...

- Stigma.

- Stigma that sort of built into her being.

- But isn't that What taught you

about what the end of her relationship was?

- Well, yeah. I mean, that was a factor.

My whole life is littered with breakups.

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- [Jim] Rufus Wainwright songs, give voice to yearning.

As a young teenager, he gravitated towards opera.

He was drawn to the way the music

express the raw emotions of life and death.

Decades later, he would go on to write his own opera,

"Prima Donna".

About an aging diva, reflecting on her long-gone on youth.

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And his early songs reflected these operatic leanings.

Big emotionally laden oaths to love and loss.

♪ You broke

♪ My heart

♪ Danny boy

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♪ Not your fault

♪ Danny boy

♪ I was had at the doorstep

♪ Played

♪ Like a two to a four set

♪ Had like poor Job in the Bible ♪

♪ By God

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Wainwright's forthright songwriting extended

to his sexuality.

He had grappled with being gay as a teenager,

struggling to win the approval of his parents.

By the time he signed his first record deal with DreamWorks

he was in his early twenties,

he made it clear, that he wouldn't hide his sexuality.

- I will attest that once my mind was made up

there was no shifting things.

The main issue, was that, it was the '90s

and I was still deathly afraid of AIDS.

I just didn't want this nightmare scenario to occur

where I was sick and dying,

and then I had to like come out at the same time.

It just was so tragic to me that whole scenario.

And I was told at that time,

by certain people,

can't you just be more obtuse about it

and maybe say you're bisexual,

or say just like kind of make it a little more mysterious.

And in retrospect, I do believe strongly

that if I hadn't have been so honest about it,

I would have had a far more opportunities

to kinda like, blend into the pop world.

- Or blindened.

- Blindened. That's true.

That's a good way to put it.

And I don't regret this decision at all

'cause as I said, now, 20 years later,

there's a legion of people, young and old

who were incredibly,

affected and influenced

and inspired by my choice to be brutally honest

about who I was.

- [Jim] His record label, heavily promoted his debut

and the investment paid off.

Wainwright launched to massive critical approval.

RollingStone even named him 1998, "Best New Artist".

- [Wainwright] It was very auspicious beginning.

- [Jim] Did that go to your head at all?

- Well, yes, completely.

And understandably so.

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♪ Ain't it a shame that at the top ♪

♪ Peanut butter and jam they served you ♪

♪ Ain't it a shame that at the top ♪

♪ Still those soft skin boys can bruise you ♪

♪ Yes I fell for a stripper

- [Jim] But what Rufus Wainwright had in talent,

he lacked in maturity.

He was completely unprepared

for how to navigate his emotions,

in the midst of his rising celebrity.

As he produced his second album, 2001's "Poses",

he was frequently relying on alcohol and drugs,

including cocaine and methamphetamines.

Wainwright stresses

that he wasn't using substances to escape life,

so much as to heighten his awareness of it.

But he took it too far.

At one point his drug use caused him to go temporarily blind

and have disturbing hallucinations of his father.

- I am amazed at the fact that I've done all these things

and gone out on all these cliffs and so forth,

and live to tell the tale.

Now I was going into that territory.

I was facing my fears.

- Yeah.

- In order to garner information.

I mean, I wanted to know what was behind the curtain

and so forth.

- [Jim] In 2002, Rufus Wainwright checked into rehab

for a month.

Once out, he went on a songwriting spree,

resulting in two back-to-back albums.

2003's, "Want One",

and 2004's, "Want Two".

The twin albums were proof,

that on the other side of his substance abuse,

Rufus was energized,

ready to tear into the world around him.

He wanted more than ever to make music,

out of his accumulated pain and joy.

But he also wrestled with more ambiguous feelings

and the song, "Dinner At Eight",

he processes his difficult relationship with his father.

♪ So put up your fists

♪ And I'll put up mine

♪ No running away

♪ From the scene of the crime

♪ God's chosen a place

♪ Somewhere near the end of the world ♪

♪ Somewhere near the end of our lives ♪

It despite this somehow tortured

relationship with his father,

Wainwright maintained a close bond with his mother, Kate.

Months before she died in 2010,

Wainwright told her that he and his husband Jorn,

were considering having a baby with Lorca Cohen,

a long time family friend,

and the daughter of Leonard Cohen.

His mom was thrilled.

- Once the idea was around,

and my mother was also around,

and her health was declining,

I asked her, I said, now, what do you think mom

of this concept, of having a baby with Lorca

and she emphatically stated that I had no choice,

but to do this.

It was sort of a commandment.

And I do feel,

that's a multi-pronged

kind of response

that she gave me.

In the sense that,

I think on one hand,

she certainly loved the idea of uniting,

the McGarrigle's and the Cohen's and the Wainwright.

Continuing this dynastic tradition,

which I had grown up then.

- She also a woman, to know she'd be a grandmother, right?

(Jim laughs)

- Being a grandmother, (murmurs)

I think she knew she was gonna die.

And the end that there was going to be,

and that she was, arguably the strongest

and even my husband, Jorn can attest to this.

I mean, she was the most influential person in my life.

Kinda by a long shot.

And she knew that she was gonna be exiting that role,

and that for me to have a child,

would be a way to,

whatever, possibly continue that kind of connection.

Deep connection that,

which I have with Jorn,

but it's still different.

- [Jim] Today, Rufus Wainwright

has cultivated his own version of domestic bliss.

In his 10th and latest album, 2020's "Unfollow The Rules",

he's more grounded, but no less sharp

as he writes about this next phase of fatherhood

and marriage.

The musician who made a name for himself

with his disarmingly blunt music.

Has discovered a new layer of honest expression.

The sort that only comes, with the maturity of experience.

♪ There's always trouble in paradise ♪

♪ Don't matter if your drinks are neat or on ice ♪

♪ There's always trouble in paradise ♪

♪ Don't matter if you're good or bad or mean or awfully ♪

- Right now, I'm singing better than I ever did.

All of those kind of triumphs

and tribulations are sort of,

they have managed to instill themselves in my--

- [Jim] So it's wisdom--

- My interpretation of songs.

- It's wisdom as well as physical.

- It's a whole load of emotion.

- [Jim] And life.

- And just having gone out there.

And what's interesting about it though,

in the end of the day,

it doesn't make you stronger.

It doesn't make you more kind of implacable.

If anything, it makes you more sensitive

and more kind of vulnerable,

as you get older.

It's a great ability to have now.

It's also a little scary.

- [Jim] And Rufus Wainwright

thrives by instinctly leaning into what's scary,

because at his core is what he calls his beast.

Indefatigable,

and constantly pouring of the heartbeat experience,

concerned only with expressing a role,

sometimes brutal honesty.

- But that beast, is completely oblivious

to what people think and what should happen

and what the next move should be,

and just kinda goes for it ferociously.

And that is the force that I've chosen to lead the parade.

♪ I hope you find your way

♪ For the sake of what we've lost ♪

♪ And that there comes a day

♪ When you realize the precious cost ♪

♪ Yes, I remember smiles

♪ Yes, I remember wiles

♪ Behind the Square of Sloan

♪ Under the English moon you in your disguise ♪

♪ So much

(upbeat

♪ You got exactly that

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♪ Will you forever be

♪ A damsel in distress

♪ Will you forever be

♪ A damsel in distress

♪ Will you forever be

♪ A damsel in distress

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- [Announcer] "Articulate" with Jim Cotter,

is made possible with generous funding,

from the Neubauer Family Foundation.

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