Articulate

S5 E21 | FULL EPISODE

Life's Work

Perpetual Andrew Motion: Tori Marchiony profiles former U.K. Poet Laureate Sir Andrew Motion. He’s five decades in and still finding room to grow;
Vijay Iyer-Key Changes: Among the most highly regarded jazz pianists of his time, Vijay Iyer has made his instrument of choice an instrument of discovery;
Susan Choi-Interrogator of Truth: Susan Choi’s books reflect her skepticism of authority.

AIRED: February 28, 2020 | 0:26:46
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I'm Jim Cotter and on this episode "Life's Work."

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end

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row

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yet.

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ice.

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ry.

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was

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exploring and experimenting and banging on the piano

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te.

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her

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ity.

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that

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ions

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hink

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sed.

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(somber piano music)

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- [Tori] Andrew Motion is a seasoned protector of poetry.

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nd,

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nd,

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ment

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ion.

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job,

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him

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ood.

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on.

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During his decade as poet laureate, Motion authored

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dely

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sues

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bor.

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Another key achievement was his founding

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ive.

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work

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ar.

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All of this to create a better understanding

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ue.

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and

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ast.

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u by

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oes.

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iew

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ely

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nk.

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ness

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ess

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of other people to understand those things unless

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we're able to explain this and justify it.

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en.

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ran,

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ds.

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on.

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were

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in those days and in that culture, quite definitely

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ion.

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ngs

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rld,

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it,

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men

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his.

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gs,

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new

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ear

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me.

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ar,

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ar,

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mes

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at.

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But you know I was growing up in the 1960's

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did.

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st.

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So there was something about the softening

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es,

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in the air that I had liked very much about

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...

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hat.

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ing.

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ment

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inct

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At age seven he was sent to Maidwell Hall, a rather

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to Maidwell Hall, a rather

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ome.

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ful,

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ain

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that

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nk.

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ened

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ars.

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ed.

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all.

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I mean the routine of sort of beatings and punishments

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...

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uld

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cal.

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erk.

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lot

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ys.

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I mean in a way that would get everybody put in prison now.

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ome,

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hat

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term

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day

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day.

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read

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els

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ng,

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an?

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mm.

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me,

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ther

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ent.

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up

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lly.

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But what it did for me was to make me feel

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that life is inherently allegoric.

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ye.

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Because that is what it made life like.

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Well that may be preparation for the grave of a kind,

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...

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ife.

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But I think it squeezed quite a lot of the joy

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fe.

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as,

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me.

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way

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es.

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- [Tori] When Motion was seventeen, life confirmed

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was

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ise

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unt.

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hat

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ars

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978.

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Motion has written about her frequently.

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- At Christmas I ran threw fire in blighty,

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ers.

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wed.

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ing.

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Flight attendants wear Santa hats or Rudolph ears

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lls.

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In the easy weeping that arrives with high altitude,

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ord.

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nd.

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ing.

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I hear the series I fly through crackle like dry clay,

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ce.

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ind,

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ep.

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- [Tori] Today the sixty seven year old Andrew Motion

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than

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ife.

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And as he continues to write into the spaces death leaves,

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ame.

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Since 2015, he's taught at Johns Hopkins University,

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gly

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ids

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but.

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The country read along as a student accused Motion

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red,

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and his second marriage fell apart.

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dder

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uist

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one

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eep

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le.

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ed,

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and I want right up to the bitter end

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row

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yet.

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(quiet orchestral string music)

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(heavy rain)

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(jazz piano music)

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on.

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ssor

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ums.

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sted

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ike?

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do?

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fect

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te.

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sic)

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- [Jim] If Iyer hadn't found music irresistible

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er,

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0's

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ogy.

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ence

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ing.

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me,

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ley

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our.

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uiry

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t in

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the meantime, I mean music was in my life since

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id.

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t..

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ing

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and banging on the piano and feeling it vibrate.

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n't

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ome.

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ion,

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ats.

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ose

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me.

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- What was it that people in that predicament,

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sion

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do.

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ul.

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One up each other and just kind of create

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re.

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- [Jim] Brave yet vulnerable, these musicians were

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ers,

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rs.

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Shortly before 9/11, Iyer and Mike Lad a poet

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ty,

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orks

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ror.

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ame,

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speaking of vulnerability, I mean it was really

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tion

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ud.

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And not even American, basically to be brown

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sic)

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- [Jim] "Holding it Down" explores the aftermath

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aq

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LA

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in

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- We felt like we had to not just make something

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about the war but make something with veterans.

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In particularly veterans of color,

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ting

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more to the enemy than to your superiors.

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- [Jim] On his latest record, "The Transitory Poems"

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ute

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ces,

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or.

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Vijay Iyer is constantly stretching, forever pushing

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its.

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ance

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his

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ter.

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- There's always someone who is like, doing more than you.

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ike,

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ow?

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rus,

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like a sort of affliction or something that

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to,

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le.

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ion

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ow?

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e...

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ing?

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ah.

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tely

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ife

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versus me person who makes art?"

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more

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eed?

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ext

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me.

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Let alone thirty or forty you know?

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That's also I get to work with people who

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me.

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And that's humbling and also inspiring and...

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ge.

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ngs,

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and to aspire to be as alive, as active, as engaged,

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as inspired in thirty years,

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ow?

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der

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ing,

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now?

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ugh.

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uch.

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en.

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ure.

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you.

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ic)

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(loud clapping and cheering)

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- [Tori] The National Book Award winner

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s to

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eas.

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ng,

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Each of her narratives are an interrogation.

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t of

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out

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a crisis in the way power is being used.

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- [Tori] Choi's celebrated 2008 novel "A Person of interest"

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ough

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Lee,

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tion

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ity.

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- "I'm telling you the truth, if that's the case

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aid.

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The howl in Lee's ears ebbed away like the tide rushing out.

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tly.

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A lie detector test?

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son

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or.

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raph

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ell.

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A lie detector test implies the person being tested is

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nt.

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poke

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gly.

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time

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nic.

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on,

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it."

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- [Tori] Choi employs caution and objectivity

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es.

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ints

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ed"

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day,

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ach.

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ence

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ore,

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ter

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way

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was

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at.

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ming

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how.

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But since making her award winning debut with

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ce.

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us,

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ial.

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A fictionalized re imagining of Patty Hearst,

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ped

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0's.

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A romantic relationship born in the classroom

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ent.

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And in her most recent novel, 2019's

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ise"

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s of

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man.

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t as

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ion.

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- [Susan] "By contrast with the first time they'd met,

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fact

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ugh

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een

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all.

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not

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tion

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all.

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ght

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ip."

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The character of Karen struggles with the fact

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old,

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an.

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the

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ole

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her

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deep disadvantage in trying to be the partner

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of this person who was so much older,

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as.

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Something about that "May December romance" as

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o me

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I think because a large part of my young womanhood

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rful

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ive.

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ly,

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went

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ably

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man.

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day.

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- [Tori] Susan Choi doesn't simply write to entertain.

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ics

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res.

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can

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aim

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ers.

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ing

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ns.

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